August 24, 2012

SNE plans

I'd like to share my plan so far on how to archieve SNE. Would be cool if someone these something that he thinks I would be doing wrong or if it could be done better. Some stuff might be a little bit randomly put in a category, but I hope that it still makes sense.


If I get to finish my challenge I should be able to play up to nl400. So I would play a mix of nl100-nl400sh. Adding FR could be a solution, too, but I think I should try to concentrate on only one game, because I already play 24 tables and having to look on different layouts shouldn't really work out or better it could work out, but at the moment I don't feel the need to do so.

Having nl200+nl400 in there is very important in order to archieve the goal of an average daily vpp. Like on 2p2 the sne pursuit thread, they always tell you where the pace is at the moment, and I believe that I want to be above that all the time. But, I should calculate it that I would be able to do it by just playing nl100.

Time managment

I think the best for me is to play 2 sessions a day. Each session will last for 3 hours. That's a lot of time at the tables close to every day. I'm going to play 6 out of 7 days, while one day I will be completly away from poker. Not reading/posting in any forum, not watching any vids or doing any theory. I think this is really important, because you really want to have one day of. The problem is that I have a job. So I can only take my day of at the weekend. Because I know that I will watch every game of Borussia Dortmund, I will always not play on the day on which they play (unless they play on a Friday, which I doubt will happen most of the time because of the Champions League).

The second important thing is to think about how much time I really need between the sessions. Right now I work with 2 hours, which might sound a little bit to long, but so far I'm ok with it. 2 hours mean that I can really do something different. I can do some sports, watch TV, clean my appartment, go to the supermarket, etc. But I think that I have to make a good plan for this, too, because the free time I have I really have to spent on useful things.


I think if you really want to go through such a tough time, you have to really fix these things. Doing some sports and take care that you really eat healthy. That's at the moment a real problem for me, because I am really lazy at both. I plan on starting yoga (a lot of people have recommended it to me), because it should help in a lot of spots which are important to a poker player. The nutrition thing should be easy to fix, too, I just have to cook a little bit more. Driving to McD or ordering some pizza is obv more easy, but on the other hand it costs you a lot of money. I haven't really figuered this out yet completly, but I really believe that this is really important, so I will spent a lot of time to get this fixed.

Game schedule

I wrote that I would like to play nl100-nl400. So the vpp at the various stakes are for me atm:

  • nl100: 0,38vpp/hand
  • nl200: 0,55vpp/hand
  • nl400: 0,77vpp/hand

I think those numbers might drop a little bit, because I might play a tighter style. Nothing big, but maybe just 0,34vpp/hand at nl100 and so on. In order to make SNE I need to be able to do it completly at nl100. So: 1.000.000 / 0,34 ~= 2.940.000 hands

I plan on playing 6 out of 7 days, so over the year I would be playing 365 / 7 * 6 ~= 313 days.

This means I would have to play 2.940.000 / 313 ~= 9.400 hands a day.

Taking it one step further: 9.400 / 6 ~= 1.567 hands/hour.

In order to have some buffer, I believe that I should aim for 1.100.000vpp. So putting everything together: 1.100.000 / 0,34 / 313 ~= 10.400 hands/day.

That's the realy crazy part about it. But, I think I am able to do it while playing 6 hours a day.

I hope I'll be able to play a mix of nl100-nl400. Maybe like 1/8 nl400, 2/8 nl200 and 5/8 nl100. Would mean 0,75 * 1/8 + 0,50 * 2/8 + 0,34 * 5/8 = 0,094 + 0,125 + 0,2125 = 0,4315 vpp/hand. Those are 27% more then if I would only play nl100!! Or in other words: ~686.000 I would need to play less! So I really hope that this will work out, might make a big difference if you have to grind a complete year. 

The most interesting part: The reward!^^

I hope Pokerstars won't do a lot of changes (well, maybe adding some more money to the rewards would be cool^^). I get money from VIP Stellar, Milestone-VPP and from bonus. Numbers are calculated on 1.100.00 vpp and starting as Sup

So overall I would earn 108.400$ from just playing. I'm playing on 313 days and 6 hrs/d so ~1.878 hrs overall. So I would be at 57,72$/hour.

But let's take 2 other possibilities: I make a) 2bb/100 and b) 4bb/100. What would that mean?

  • a) 2bb/100 over ~3.236.000 hands: 64.720$ + 108.400$ = 173.120$ / 1.878 = 92,18$
  • b) 4bb/100 over ~3.236.000 hands: 129.440$ + 108.400$ = 237.840$ / 1.878 = 126,65$

Those numbers are for nl100 only. If I would be able to play nl200+nl400, too, the volumne gets much lower.

Other points

One thing I believe some people might not think about is that if you are going for SNE, you are not only on a 1 year challenge. Imo the fpp multiplier is very important. If you are SNE you get 5fpp/vpp while on SN you only get 3,5fpp/vpp. If you just look in the bonus section above, this would make a difference of 24.000$ or 12,78$/hr! So you should really think about what you want to do after your first SNE. If you finished it one time and you plan on finishing a 2nd time, the third year is a year where you still should play to earn at least the 50k vpp/month needed.

I think it is important to have a schedule that works for the complete year. If you want to take maybe a few days off to travel around or whatever you want to do, you have to calculate those days in before you start! You don't need to know when you will take same, just know that you will take them. Taking a week off and then saying to yourself "alright, the next 40 days I play one hour longer every day" won't work out. Because after that time you might need another break and suddenly you have lost the ability to finish SNE. I am not completly sure, but I think what can and should work is to grind a little bit more in the beginning in order to allow you to take a few days off if you really need them. So I am thinking to play at the beginning 2 sessions of 4hours over 20 days so that I can take a week off if I really need it. If I don't need it that would be ok, too, because I get to SNE more faster and I can earn some more fpp over the year.

So yeah, those are my ideas so far. It's not really perfect as you can see, but I think I'm on a good way now.

Posted By CivSTAR at 12:22 PM



DwelF posted on August 24, 2012 at 13:47 PM


Reaching this at 100NL alone is achievable but certainly a very tough challenge. Its important to plan your play well like you described.

One last thing I wanna stress is that you should have some plan if all goes wrong. I obvioulsy don't know your starting bankroll for this challenge but I'd need atleast 100 buyins to start this thing. So that means 10K.

CivSTAR posted on August 24, 2012 at 14:24 PM


Starting requirements is a very good point. I think for my plans it should be at least at 20k. The good thing for me is, that I have a job, so I don't need to take money out of my roll every month. If that would be the case, I think your roll should be more at 30-35k, so that you have room if the first months do go completly wrong. And you shouldn't have a costly lifestyle.

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SIide posted on August 24, 2012 at 16:34 PM


Probably a good idea to do a trial to see if you are even mentally and physically capable of doing this for a year, maybe like 2 weeks?

Also, daily goals are the way to go. None of my goals go the way I planned when I say I want to play x hands this month and then don't set daily/weekly goals to achieve it. I'll slack the first week thinking I'll make it up later, then when I see the work load I have later, I just don't even want to attempt it.

shuttle posted on August 24, 2012 at 20:40 PM


Good luck!

I considered doing it at 200nl but realized I had no chance at all of completing it because I play too low volume.

SchFerreira posted on August 25, 2012 at 00:05 AM

Salem el gato

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Majkel posted on August 26, 2012 at 20:33 PM

Największy kozak

If you complete that thing I will bow in the greatest respect. :)
It sounds super hard to do that though.

What about your social life?

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