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The Final Table: Soepgroente (#2) - Final Table $200 Rebuy

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The Final Table: Soepgroente (#2) - Final Table $200 Rebuy by Soepgroente

Soepgroente gives us another glimpse at a final table. This time he breaks down play at a $200 rebuy event.

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  • Game: mtt
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 61 minutes long
  • Posted over 4 years ago

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phos77

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Time Link to 00:19:01

really enjoyed the vid, great to see a long HU session gone into detail.

with this KJs hand, you say you want to keep your value range as wide as possible OTR so you check back the turn, could you explain why this is important? i mean if a Diamond comes OTR he may decide to c/c or VB himself, and i think if he's folding to a bet OTR he's probably folding to it OTT.
also you say that you'd bet Ax here OTT but then go on to say that you're polarising your range to sets/flush/air?
basically i'd like you to just explain why betting river > betting turn

thanks again for the great vid

Posted over 4 years ago

delcrossb

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How far apart was this final table from the last one? Because it is pretty nasty that you bink 2 major tourneys and put the videos up here.

Posted over 4 years ago

KRANTZ

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vince just final tables things left right and center

Posted over 4 years ago

Soepgroente

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How far apart was this final table from the last one? Because it is pretty nasty that you bink 2 major tourneys and put the videos up here.


Well, the previous one was of a 20r (hardly a major imo) and that was in november. Around that time I did have a streak where I got about 10 FTs which was pretty amazing. Then I had a dry spell for a few months but 2 weeks ago I got this which helps Grin

Posted over 4 years ago

Soepgroente

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really enjoyed the vid, great to see a long HU session gone into detail.

with this KJs hand, you say you want to keep your value range as wide as possible OTR so you check back the turn, could you explain why this is important? i mean if a Diamond comes OTR he may decide to c/c or VB himself, and i think if he's folding to a bet OTR he's probably folding to it OTT.
also you say that you'd bet Ax here OTT but then go on to say that you're polarising your range to sets/flush/air?
basically i'd like you to just explain why betting river > betting turn

thanks again for the great vid


Yeah I felt like I had a hard time explaining this. Basically I would bet Ax on the turn to get value from flushdraws sometimes but I would think my opponent thinks I would go for some potcontrol there most of the time, which I might actually do a fair % of the time in practice as I think keeping the pot managable is often more important than getting very thin value.

The main thing is that I don't think people will put me on a float if I call the flop 3ways, check back the turn then bet the river small. Also by the river he's checked to me a second time where he could be going for a c/r on the turn with some good hand. By the river him having checked another time just makes him have a hand that's going to fold a much higher % of the time.

If the river is a diamond I'm not loving it, but by betting I still think I can represent something like AHeartTDiamond or 8Heart8Diamond fairly well. Also another diamond will only fall like 20% of the time so it's not that big of a problem.

Posted over 4 years ago

sliverr

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Time Link to 00:11:06

It's either like a min reraise or a ship, I don't think you can really make a mistake here. I guess I'd reraise small but w/e nh.

Posted over 4 years ago

KRANTZ

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Time Link to 00:11:05

agree that you want to 3-bet small here... it just works better for your overall game if you can bluff here, even if you are in actuality never bluffing - basically, it allows your opponent to make a mistake if you 3-bet small and play pretty perfectly (unless he's bad and you think you can level him into calling a hand he wouldn't ship over the 3b, but I don't think you have that kind of read on him) if you shove

Posted over 4 years ago

delcrossb

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When I was thinking of binking 2 major tourneys, I was more thinking this one and the event in January at Aussie Millions.

Although winning the 20r is still better than I've done.

Posted over 4 years ago

jayfly

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I think Soepgroente discusses hands well but I wish these weren't 70% heads up play. I don't think its that valuable for MTT'ers since getting heads up happens maybe once every 300 tournaments

Posted over 4 years ago

KRANTZ

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Time Link to 00:34:24

Gotta raise bigger here, to 250k+ - he is almost always either going to hero call or fold, and you want to maximize value the times he decides to call, and not worry too much about leaving him room to jam - it takes a special kind of monkey to bluff jam here, and that same kind of monkey will also jam over a bigger raise (he might even be slightly more likely to do so)

Posted over 4 years ago

KRANTZ

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Time Link to 01:00:47

i feel like they should set off fireworks or you should get a sound effect of a giant crowd cheering when you win one of these things

Posted over 4 years ago

phos77

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I think Soepgroente discusses hands well but I wish these weren't 70% heads up play. I don't think its that valuable for MTT'ers since getting heads up happens maybe once every 300 tournaments



i could not disagree more. the amount of $$$ difference between 1st and 2nd is enormous, and most MTTrs seem to have a pretty shoddy HU game. i think there are way too few HU sections in MTT videos. i'm not sure if watching HUNL cash is really the same, i guess it's ok for a general strategy but like goggles says, MTTrs and cash game guys play so different.

Posted over 4 years ago

Soepgroente

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i could not disagree more. the amount of $$$ difference between 1st and 2nd is enormous, and most MTTrs seem to have a pretty shoddy HU game. i think there are way too few HU sections in MTT videos. i'm not sure if watching HUNL cash is really the same, i guess it's ok for a general strategy but like goggles says, MTTrs and cash game guys play so different.


Agree with this. I think at least half my edge in MTTs comes from shorthanded play on final table.

Also there were just not that many interesting spots in the rest of the final table. Full ring 10-40bb poker is mostly extremely standard spots that few people misplay horribly nowadays.

Posted over 4 years ago

Soepgroente

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Gotta raise bigger here, to 250k+ - he is almost always either going to hero call or fold, and you want to maximize value the times he decides to call, and not worry too much about leaving him room to jam - it takes a special kind of monkey to bluff jam here, and that same kind of monkey will also jam over a bigger raise (he might even be slightly more likely to do so)


I wasn't particularly trying to get him to bluffjam as I don't think he'd go for that, just wasn't sure which betsizing makes him more likely to call with any diamond he was valuebetting. Probably doesn't matter too much tho and then a bigger bet is obviously better Smile

Posted over 4 years ago

aaahshoveit

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Time Link to 00:05:21

Hi there, I haven't played NL in a long time so I was just wondering in this situation with TT if it's uncommon for players to just flat your 4bet here?

Should Noraflum generally be shoving or folding here even though it's just 25k more and if so is that to do with how shallow the stacks are?

If he does flat and the board is something like JDiamond9Club5Diamond would you typically be looking get your stack in on the flop without a specific reason/read to think he could just flat pre-f with KK/AA?

Sorry if my questions are irrelevant. My NL theory is very rusty, I just find things like this interesting.

Posted over 4 years ago

Soepgroente

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I forgot to mention in the video that I think my 4bet sizing is on the small side here, I would've rather seen myself make it 65k instead of 55. It's true that he's getting odds to flat with pretty much any pocket pair and some other stuff if utg doesn't shove, which is something we don't want with anything we might be 4betting here.

Pretty much whatever flop comes out that's not Txx I'd be bet/folding. He's never going to bluff in a 4bet pot and we do represent QQ+ so if the flop is 422 and we get raised I'd put him on 44 or KK+ the majority of the time.

Posted over 4 years ago

aaahshoveit

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Ok, the strength of his flop raising range and so choosing the B/F line makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the reply and the video.

(Bonus question for if your mindnumbingly bored:
Assuming you make it 65K instead of 55k like you mentioned, how much would you generally bet on the flop?
My guess is something like 1/3 pot, maybe even 1/4 since we're repping such a strong range that can and often will bet small looking to milk the opponent out of his chips that we can also mask our bet/fold line under it and save some of our stack if he does happen to raise, if that makes sense?)

Posted over 4 years ago

Soepgroente

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Yeah I'd cbet most flops and depending on texture make it somewhere between slightly under or slightly over half pot.

Posted over 4 years ago

spoonder

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Time Link to 00:11:08

Great video again m8!
Something about JJ hand. I prefer a 3bet and not a shove. This is also what you said on the video. With a 3bet there is room to make errors by players. I would prefer a good 3,25 3bet playing out position. Also im going all the way with this hand preflop(if someone shoves).

If you win the flip then u are in realy good shape to win the tournament.
Pretty awesome that you win this 1. Have fun with itWink

Groeten!

Spoon

ps. the TT hand was pretty awesome and shows that u are playing very strongSmile

Posted over 4 years ago

Tksteve

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I just gotta say you are on a whole nother level. Your 2 videos you have done on NLHE have been amazing. You have some amazing poker talent and I really enjoyed your thought process on the hands.

Posted about 4 years ago

nathfoley11

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Time Link to 00:39:21

Really enjoyed your video's
Great stuff.

When you were talking about trying to take control of the match, Do you think stepping up pre flop 3bet would be a good way to do this? (0:39)

Posted about 4 years ago

nathfoley11

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, Do you think stepping up pre flop 3bet would be a good way to do this? (0:39)



Let me explain what I was thinking:

As your taking seeing lots of flops and taking a quite tight line pre, isn't it natural that he seems in control as he is 3 betting and opening more than yourself.

Also you mentioned him making the first 3-bet heads up.
How important do you think this is and should a concious effort be made to make the first 3-bet?

Posted about 4 years ago

actionjack

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Time Link to 00:13:35

I was thinking about sizing your 3bet here. Since you recently 3bet him, maybe it'll work to 3bet to 2 times his opensize so you leave him some room to maybe spazz over some weaker aces. Another thing I was thinking about. In the JTo hand you said if you wouldve reshoved he might call you with anything like A9/AT hands like that. So if you consider those reads, isnt it better to reshove here, since his callingrange will contain weaker aces.

Just a fling of thought, really like your work and your live-hats!

Posted almost 4 years ago

Soepgroente

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Really enjoyed your video's
Great stuff.

When you were talking about trying to take control of the match, Do you think stepping up pre flop 3bet would be a good way to do this? (0:39)


Hi, sorry I forgot to check these vids regularly to reply.

Anyways, I think 3betting once you don't really have control of the match against a player like akari is going to result in him jamming over your reraise a lot, which puts him even more in control. Against a weaker player this would definitely be a valid option though.

I don't think him 3betting lots is necessarily what gives you control of the match. The hands that seem really key for me winning this match are hands like the one at 46:30ish (4bet all in with A4s and him folding, giving me a pretty big pot and showing I'm not afraid to put it in).

@actionjack, 17bb deep I'm pretty sure akari realises I'm never 3bet/folding anything, so I chose a more standard sizing to not seem so strong. I definitely think I can get away with like 50-55k though, as the players behind will not really flat. I can't give akari too great potodds though, so clicking it back is not an option. I do think a slightly larger raise than making it like 50k looks a little weaker, although I don't think I can represent a weak hand regardless when it's pretty clear I'm commited for 17bb.

Posted almost 4 years ago



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