Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by whitelime (Mid Stakes)

Time Link to 00:22:19

LOL you sir are simply sick. Your reads are so spot on in this video. Love it!

Awesome video, some crazy sick reads. You make it seem pretty easy, I didn't realise it was a live commenting.

Just not a big fan of the check back flop Q77 with Qx to fold on the second barrel river, you're pretty much at the top of your range, but i might be result oriented i guess.

Excellent. You are simply a great player. More whitelime videos please!!

Time Link to 00:14:36

t2-wouldnt he expect you to fire the turn if you turned a spade draw tho?

Cool. A very surprising and welcome video!

Great video ! and nice hand reading

Time Link to 00:25:58

not sure what you mean you are calling with the 86 there because he would value bet an 8. you dont beat any 8s in his range, no?

Time Link to 00:37:58

what do you think about his 3 bet in that K9 hand? would you have 3bet/called it off or just call the c/r, and why?

Time Link to 00:39:29

is it possible he was turning TT into a bluff to try and get you off Jx?

is it possible he was turning TT into a bluff to try and get you off Jx?

Nope. Just trying to vbet too thinly I was thinking he might look me up with K-high/lower pairs, but he has way more combos of hands that beat me in his calling range. He almost folded a J, so def too thin. I think checking and folding to a bet is better on the river.

what do you think about his 3 bet in that K9 hand? would you have 3bet/called it off or just call the c/r, and why?

nevermind, you covered my exact question a bit later in the video. thanks!

what do you think about his 3 bet in that K9 hand? would you have 3bet/called it off or just call the c/r, and why?

I agree with what Emil's comment towards the end that this deep, calling the c/r is better.

great video, some very helpful insights. thanks for doing this.

Well played both of you, 2four I liked how you didnt shy away from going for some thin river vbets in some spots, although agree the TT was to thin.
Also like all Emil's examples of amping up the agression in more vulnerable spots.

Well played both of you,

+1. wp 2four.

Time Link to 00:21:37

Emil,
What do you think the best way to combat this situation is when I do have a hand like AQo? I'd seen that you were willing to small raise and get it in here with a top pair hand, but I know that you're going to be capable of messing with my cbets here as well.

Shipping over is risking 194 to win 110.50, clicking it back and folding seems gross, and calling down like I did obviously feels gross as well.

Awesome video, I like how you really kept your cool in the beginning when I was running pretty well and kept making hands.

Emil,
What do you think the best way to combat this situation is when I do have a hand like AQo? I'd seen that you were willing to small raise and get it in here with a top pair hand, but I know that you're going to be capable of messing with my cbets here as well.

Shipping over is risking 194 to win 110.50, clicking it back and folding seems gross, and calling down like I did obviously feels gross as well.

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good question. i was thinking the same thing, but forgot to post it.

where do you find the BvMCB stat, been looking around and cant find it? is it called something else on the list off stats???

Time Link to 00:33:06

Not sure I like the check-call here by 24offsuit. There really aren't that many draws/bluffs in his range, and I don't think he can ever be value bettering worse.

Thoughts on value betting turn, c/folding river?

Time Link to 00:26:36

That seems like a pretty standard board to checkraise. Any reason for not doing that b/c of current game dynamics? You talked about noting some bet sizing tells, what did you think the PSB meant here? Also I see that you're pretty consistently betting 10 into 11 on every flop. At which point would an opponent make you adjust your flop/turn bet sizing? If they are playing fit or fold I assume you'd cb smaller. What if they are raising your cbs more (aside from range adjustments for cbetting are you changing your sizing as well)?

Time Link to 00:35:19

What kind of equity do you need against his range to make a call on the turn here profitable? Assuming he's 2barreling all the flush draws, oesds, some overs as well as his made hands. Given how the match is going now, how often is he going to complete a 3 barrel bluff on missed draws/bad bluff cards. I feel that there are too many river cards that we'll have to fold to if we call the turn.

Do you think a river brick is more of a reason to fold to a 3rd barrel than say a card that will complete draws, given these current game/opponent dynamics?

Hey guys,

Gotta step out right now but I will respond to the questions/comments tomorrow afternoon if y'all want to check back then.

- Emil

Awesome video, some crazy sick reads. You make it seem pretty easy, I didn't realise it was a live commenting.

Just not a big fan of the check back flop Q77 with Qx to fold on the second barrel river, you're pretty much at the top of your range, but i might be result oriented i guess.

Yeah, it's a really close spot. Game theory wise, you should probably call but in practice, people just don't bluff there much.

t2-wouldnt he expect you to fire the turn if you turned a spade draw tho?

Yes, but we can represent all sorts of other made hands here.

not sure what you mean you are calling with the 86 there because he would value bet an 8. you dont beat any 8s in his range, no?

Poor explanation. I'm mostly calling b/c I have the top of my range on the river and it's a spot where most of the time, I will have a really weak hand that is folding so he'll bluff a decent amount.

is it possible he was turning TT into a bluff to try and get you off Jx?

I don't think so b/c he bet very small on the river.

Emil,
What do you think the best way to combat this situation is when I do have a hand like AQo? I'd seen that you were willing to small raise and get it in here with a top pair hand, but I know that you're going to be capable of messing with my cbets here as well.

Shipping over is risking 194 to win 110.50, clicking it back and folding seems gross, and calling down like I did obviously feels gross as well.

Awesome video, I like how you really kept your cool in the beginning when I was running pretty well and kept making hands.

Pretty tough spot. I think call/fold/jam are all viable here depending on the specific opponent and metagame. Having two overs and the Ah (which adds 4% equity or so) makes me want to not fold here.

Not sure I like the check-call here by 24offsuit. There really aren't that many draws/bluffs in his range, and I don't think he can ever be value bettering worse.

Thoughts on value betting turn, c/folding river?

I think he played this hand perfectly. I'd probably c/f the river if faced with a bet. The turn bet he called wasn't that big and while that card does improve a decent amount of my range, a lot of one pairs I have are still going to check to exercise pot control.

whitelime,

Can you comment on your standard bet sizing in single raised pots?

You were mainly c-betting $10 on the flop and $28 on the turn, even on very dry boards. Most other coaches I've seen use 1/2 pot or 2/3 pot sizing like $8 -> $22, or $8 -> $24.

Do you have any particular reasons for c-betting larger than what I would consider "standard" at these stakes?

Cool video btw

Thanks

great old school vid! this guy is a class act.

whitelime,

Can you comment on your standard bet sizing in single raised pots?

You were mainly c-betting $10 on the flop and $28 on the turn, even on very dry boards. Most other coaches I've seen use 1/2 pot or 2/3 pot sizing like $8 -> $22, or $8 -> $24.

Do you have any particular reasons for c-betting larger than what I would consider "standard" at these stakes?

Cool video btw

Thanks

From a GTO perspective, you'd want to vary it based on stack to pot ratios and how draw heavy the board is. However, depending on the opponent, there are other considerations as well. You might be playing a really stationy fish. Maybe you're playing a guy who isn't adjusting to you c-betting smaller amounts and is still folding the same amount. There are a lot of things to think about when considering bet size. This match didn't go on long enough for me to start varying bet sizes to see how he'd react. I was more focused on trying to figure out if he was a total psycho based on how aggro he was early on and how I was going to combat that.

Yes, but we can represent all sorts of other made hands here.

what other made hands check turn/bet river?

'luke, i am your father'

heh, nice vid and v good discussion but keep the mic a bit further from your mouth

what other made hands check turn/bet river?

I don't think it's unreasonable to go for a c/r or c-c w/ either flush draw on the turn. If you bet and get raised, it really sucks as calling and folding are very close in EV. With that said, I would normally still be betting these on the turn way more often than not. Other than that, it's really just a Kx suited type hand or KJ/KQ (which I would normally c/c but c/r against him b/c of his barreling frequency).

On the flipside, I have very few bluffs too. Probably just A2-A6. I think it's really close between bluffing this and c/f. I'm pretty sure I bluff 67 but it gets close w/ J7.

Other than that, it's really just a Kx suited type hand or KJ/KQ (which I would normally c/c but c/r against him b/c of his barreling frequency).

Can you talk about this some more? I think that I would c/r these K high overs+ gutter against most opponents as a default. Are you planning on trying to get to showdown with K high, and having more disguised outs/them barreling the cards that make your hand?

Vs someone that is only 2barreling 50% you're opting to c/c instead?

What kind of equity do you need against his range to make a call on the turn here profitable? Assuming he's 2barreling all the flush draws, oesds, some overs as well as his made hands. Given how the match is going now, how often is he going to complete a 3 barrel bluff on missed draws/bad bluff cards. I feel that there are too many river cards that we'll have to fold to if we call the turn.

Do you think a river brick is more of a reason to fold to a 3rd barrel than say a card that will complete draws, given these current game/opponent dynamics?

Thought I'd repost, you probably missed it.
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Can you talk about this some more? I think that I would c/r these K high overs+ gutter against most opponents as a default. Are you planning on trying to get to showdown with K high, and having more disguised outs/them barreling the cards that make your hand?

Vs someone that is only 2barreling 50% you're opting to c/c instead?

Most players are content to check A high on that board texture so if they bet, we either have them beat w/ KJ/KQ, or they have a hand that will continue against a c/r. I'd c/r only against excessive c-bettors or double barrelers.

Thought I'd repost, you probably missed it.
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Middle pair is more than good enough to call the turn against almost anyone on this board texture. The thing about the river is you're going to just have to close your eyes and call, even if a flush making card comes. You'll be getting a price from the pot and even if he has us beat more often than not, we should win more than the 25-30% we have to to make calling profitable.

Excellent point! Thanks!

wow, i just wanted to say this is one of my fav videos on dc
great job whitelime and 2four offsuit

Time Link to 00:31:39

Imperessive fold here, this is a situation I use to call down to much in.
Ur at the toptop of your range, the turn & river totaly bricks off.

I would call and usually get pretty tilted here. I think if this was a 50/50 situation the fold is still better because the times Im right Im guessing and the times Im wrong I get tilt mood on.

Very Good video so far!

wow, sick video, i've watched it twice today

how you responded to his early aggression was inspiring to me, as i like to go into crazy spew mode vs that type of aggression.

Something to note in the 33 vs A7 hand on A77 11m30sec

He Cbet $6 instead of the standard $10 which he has been doing every other time up until now. Alarm bells would be going off for me at that point!

Time Link to 00:03:13

Something to note in the 33 vs A7 hand on A77 11m30sec

He Cbet $6 instead of the standard $10 which he has been doing every other time up until now. Alarm bells would be going off for me at that point!

This was actually more of a function of the board texture than hand strength. If you look at the 3:13 timestamp, I cbet a wetter board JT2 on the right larger than the A74 board on the left. On a very dry board like the A77r I ended up cbetting only half pot, because it was so dry.

When looking to develop reads on your opponents' bet sizing, make sure that you're factoring board texture into the equation. Someone full potting a JT9 board and 1/2 potting A33 might not actually tell you much about their hand strength.

Time Link to 00:15:58

If the river comes a king of hearts instead of the ks would you still shove over a bet still or just call?

Time Link to 00:20:27

If he c/raises this river do you call with the 58s? He could have 89 or some something possibly like A3 of clubs, 8x of clubs even though that is less likely due to hand combinations (only 2 8's left in the deck), 34 of clubs (maybe), also MAYBE pocket 9's although that is unlikely. If you expect him to slow play he could even have a flopped/turned set but that depends on your read on his slow play tendencies.

Thanks. As simple as it is, I didnt really factor that into your decision. Definately something I will think about more vs regz. TY 24o GG

Time Link to 00:07:47

why are you folding T9o on left table if you call the turn here? 78,89,FDs, QJ,AJ,AQ, all missing. Not huge sample but he double barrels till now 100% so I think you have to call here?

You say you prefer waiting with calling because you want to know if he continues 2 barreling and than 3barrel those rivers a lot. But it's the beginning of the session maybe it can give you some valueable information. I think calling is slightly better.

Time Link to 00:29:15

3betting A8s not to light for value? you expect him to call A2s-A5s, 89s,87s + SD value? A9s, ATo-AJo, ATs-AJs is calling. So A8s is standard 3bet here vs a reg who probably calls enough>?

Time Link to 00:36:13

here again KTo 3bet not to light? his stats are not telling that he calls very light? and he hasnt shown that he calls light.