Episode Six
Episode Six
In Episode 6, KRANTZ and WiltOnTilt teach you how to float like a butterfly and sting like a bee to crush the hyper aggressive Maniacs and good thinking LAGs through inducing bluffs, staying one step ahead, and using bet sizing and atypical lines to confuse those players who can't help themselves with over-aggression.
tags: krantz wiltontilt hu head's up hunl aggressive opponents maniacs adjusting to aggression
This Series: pr1nnyraiding
Krantz and WiltOnTilt provide a heads up No Limit primer. A comprehensive guide to beating small stakes HU NLHE.
Comments for Episode Six
Wow,
Out of schedule?
n1
Sugar Nut
I love Fridays :)
I love Fridays :)
Saturdays are nice too (FwF)...
i would like to see a live session against these types of players or better yet against a solid hu player who can switch up gears...wilt, i have a hard time with the q8 hand due to doubling up a maniac if wrong and after the play not showing the hand when successful in the bluff...maybe that's a leak of mine but stone cold bluffing such easy guys otherwise is something i shy away from
Lou, your wish is our command.
Next episode is krantz sweating me play and the grand finale is me sweating the master himself as he works his magic.
WoT
Also Lou, why don't you like the show ?
Also Lou, why don't you like the show ?
i didn't think you showed, if you did show then i only dislike the play somewhat
i hope you guys got some good opponents with some tough spots
btw, i saw a new fish on ub this week playing 5 10 with the sn of dj sensei, that's my tip for the week
In the A9 hand where you induce the bluff raise on the river you don't talk about your timing on the call. Of course part of you wants to fist-pump-snap-call, but doesn't this let the guy know you trapped the hell out of him?
It seems in this case you can gain about 600 quanks of meta by waiting 14 seconds before calling, making him believe that you had a tough decision with top and middle pair, thereby encouraging him to continue bluffing.
Does that make sense?
In the A9 hand where you induce the bluff raise on the river you don't talk about your timing on the call. Of course part of you wants to fist-pump-snap-call, but doesn't this let the guy know you trapped the hell out of him?
It seems in this case you can gain about 600 quanks of meta by waiting 14 seconds before calling, making him believe that you had a tough decision with top and middle pair, thereby encouraging him to continue bluffing.
Does that make sense?
quanks is an amazing word
ship da quanks
i dont remember the timing though, but you make a valid point
Hmm, I am contemplating if I get more or less action as a result of this =)
66 hand is bad in retrospect, I can't really credibly represent anything on that board.
No comments about A2o defense. I kinda disagree with your logic in the hand. IMO the A on the turn kinda skews both players hand ranges, so you can't really expect a river fold if you get called on the turn. If the stacks were deeper or it wasn't an A, I don't object. I guess I don't mind the turn bet as a cheap bluff though.
Btw, FWIW, you outleveled me completely in the first half of that session. I was pretty stoned, so it took me some time to adjust =)
loved to video, stacked two tags today using the 3bet on dry boards concept you talked about when I had monsters!
i think another important thing to note when playing laggy players is whether they can value bet thin/ if their bet size changes when they are value betting thin or not.
the bad lags bluff big a lot but their (thin) value bet sizes don't match their bluffing bet sizes.
good video. i also like playing lags..
I love the series so far. I have seen a bit of myself in almost all of the players you've played so far so my question is how do you catagorize yourself(ves) as players and what defenses do we use against those that have watched these vids and adjust enough to avoid being "classified"?
I love the series so far. I have seen a bit of myself in almost all of the players you've played so far so my question is how do you catagorize yourself(ves) as players and what defenses do we use against those that have watched these vids and adjust enough to avoid being "classified"?
I don't categorize myself at all and I might even go so far as to say that's a bad idea. Learn to play every style and learn how every type of player thinks about the world (of poker). Think about how your opponent classifies you, though, and then use that to out-adjust him. In other words, if he thinks your a TAG and you can guess his standard counterstrategies against you, then play looser or nittier or don't 3-bet your draws all the time.
The second question is trickier. You'll usually find that the people who can adjust their way out of classification are going to be world-class players. I wouldn't play these people unless you're able to intuit their adjustments before they happen and outplay them. Otherwise, from a game theory POV, they're playing unbeatable poker.
In the A9 hand where you induce the bluff raise on the river you don't talk about your timing on the call. Of course part of you wants to fist-pump-snap-call, but doesn't this let the guy know you trapped the hell out of him?
It seems in this case you can gain about 600 quanks of meta by waiting 14 seconds before calling, making him believe that you had a tough decision with top and middle pair, thereby encouraging him to continue bluffing.
Does that make sense?
Yes, QFT.
Thhank you so much =)
** Game ID 2031824743 starting - 2008-05-29 23:05:16
** Brand New Car [Hold 'em] (1.00|2.00 NL - $ Cash Game) Real Money
- villain sitting in seat 1 with $198.00 [Dealer]
- hero sitting in seat 2 with $446.20
villainposted the small blind - $1.00
hero posted the big blind - $2.00
** Dealing card to hero: Q of s, K of c
villain raised - $6.00
hero called - $6.00
** Dealing the flop: K of s, 2 of c, 9 of d
hero checked
villain bet - $12.00
hero raised - $28.00
villain raised - $62.00
hero called - $62.00
** Dealing the turn: J of s
hero checked
villain went all-in - $131.00
hero called - $131.00
** Dealing the river: 5 of d
villain shows: 7 of d, 6 of d
hero shows: Q of s, K of c
hero wins $397.00 from the main pot
End of game 2031824743
Zippo - Excellent! :-)
WoT
I don't fully understand that T2s hand fully. First of all you(WoT) 3bet preflop and say 'don't try this at home' and Jay agrees that it's pretty bad, but you don't really explain why. I understand you likely have the worst hand, but if you think you have good Fold Equity both preflop and on the flop, is it really horrible still? Can you, Jay exlain it a bit? I guess WoT had some reasons for it. I don't 3bet T2s myself tho, don't worry.
And when you bet the turn you(WoT) were trying to get him off a PP and planning to bluff shove the river right? Then on the river you get 2nd pair and you shove it in anyway with the reason that you likely have the best hand. (right?) That seems very contradicting and it seems like you turn your (likely good) hand into a bluff if he folds PP's so often. I really doubt worse hands call once you bet/raised every street + there's an ace on board. Where am I wrong?
Mattie,
3betting T2s is bad because there's just not a lot working for the hand. we don't feel good if we hit a pair, and we only have one speculative draw we can make... and well, we just have ten high. In general, we can really only 3bet this hand profitably if we expect one of 2 things, either
a) the guy plays super tight to 3bet preflop and making this 3bet will turn an automatic profit because the risk/reward of us making it 22 vs his 6 means he will fold often enough to make the raise in and of itself profitable (with any two cards)
b) the guy plays super straight forward on the flop... he will call with his medium strength hands, raise with his big hands, and mostly fold when he doesn't connect, so then the times A succeeds + the times we take the pot on the flop = profit
or I guess c) some combination of a+b or he plays real loose on the flop and super tight on the turn, ie he peels flops a lot and folds a lot of turns, which is fairly common of many ssnl HU players.
Regardless, we had no reason to believe any of these were true and mostly the reason i was 3betting in the match was just to try to create a maniac image and get into some neat leveling spots for the video.... which is essentially what this hand turned into, a leveling spot.
so on the turn i'm betting to try to get him off his medium pocket pairs, and on the river i just have the best hand so often because I don't expect him to peel me with A high on the flop that often (i think he'd bluff it more than just float it, look how he played the 66 hand previously turning a made hand into a bluff) also did you notice how i said in the previous hand example that the way he built that stack was through me bluffing so much? We've been playing a match that has had a leveling war, so this is just another spot where it's fairly unlikely i have the worst hand, added to the fact that he's seen me make monster moves and he knows that the turn A is the best 2 barrel card etc, it's conceivable he could try to snap me off with the worst hand some % of the time. Now that said, when he calls, will he have a worse hand > 50% of the time? That could be debatable, so it might be a slightly -EV shove, however I think in the context of the match and given that I should have the best hand quite often here, I was willing to take a slight risk that this time he didn't have me beat and jam it in.
Also there's some benefit in taking the pot w/o him seeing my hand... and if I do check the river and he shoves, what do i do ? Do I put him on an A that peeled or some sort of slowplayed hand? Do I put him on 55 turning his hand into a bluff as we've seen he can do ? If I do check here I also open myself up to being bluffed off the best hand.
hope that helps
Aaron
in the kq hand you mentioned not about time banking like you had 99 or something. Well what is your plan if you did have 99 or TT on that board vs a lag thats is a bit more competent than elsobado?
HAHAHAHAHA... dee snyder...
