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Started watching ... feel I need to download this & hear it at least 4 times before most of it will sink in!
Damn you Baluga for cramming so much good stuff into such a (relatively) short time!

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How do we identify whether a 3-bettor from the blind is polarised or depolarised? Is there a neat way of using a HUD Stat for this or is it just a case of making notes until we see him show up with depolarised hands?

Posted about 4 years ago

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How do we identify whether a 3-bettor from the blind is polarised or depolarised? Is there a neat way of using a HUD Stat for this or is it just a case of making notes until we see him show up with depolarised hands?


at the moment i dont know of any way to use stats for this. I usually wait to see something at showdown, or something that doesnt really make sense (the guy check-folds on a KJT board, for example, would indicate polarized).

Andrew

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You were right the first time. I believe the quote is thus:

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.
-Mark Twain

Posted about 4 years ago

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If we float with the intention of raising the turn 2 barrel and villain checks to us (say on a K72r 9 with QJ) are we typically betting here to take down the dead money? This seems like a pretty standard bet after floating, but what are representing? KQ? What would we expect to get ch/Called by if we were doing this with KQ? Are you at all worried that villain will ch/shove the turn? I guess we can just fold then, but this would be the one down-side to not bluff-raising the flop. Then again, how often are people ch/R bluffing the turn as a pre flop 3bettor after cbetting the flop?

Posted about 4 years ago

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If we float with the intention of raising the turn 2 barrel and villain checks to us (say on a K72r 9 with QJ) are we typically betting here to take down the dead money? This seems like a pretty standard bet after floating, but what are representing? KQ? What would we expect to get ch/Called by if we were doing this with KQ? Are you at all worried that villain will ch/shove the turn? I guess we can just fold then, but this would be the one down-side to not bluff-raising the flop. Then again, how often are people ch/R bluffing the turn as a pre flop 3bettor after cbetting the flop?



we have to think about what we want to fold... sometimes that means we check back with Qhi on a K94r board, sometimes we bet it (Depending on who we think will fold what).

Andrew

Posted about 4 years ago

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you forgot adding the talk about squeezing. Nice vid tho, lots of good stuff. Is episode 2 gonna tell me how to construct my ranges Wink ?

Posted about 4 years ago

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Sorry I can't quite catch if you say against the bad passive and bad agressive oppenent we should use a polarized or depolarized range?, My hearing or speakers must not be great. I presume we would want to use a depolarized range because we are always going for value but cant tell if your saying 'the polarized' or 'depolarized'?

Thanks

Posted about 4 years ago

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Sorry I can't quite catch if you say against the bad passive and bad agressive oppenent we should use a polarized or depolarized range?, My hearing or speakers must not be great. I presume we would want to use a depolarized range because we are always going for value but cant tell if your saying 'the polarized' or 'depolarized'?

Thanks


depolarized is right!

Posted about 4 years ago

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What you mean by saying "crushing somebody`s 3betrange equitywise" - I mean, where is the border? (jow muyh EQ you wanna have vs. someone`s 3betcall range to say that you are crushing it).

Here is 1 scenario (CovsBTN; we are Co and faced with a 3bet):
Villain is an active 3bettor IP and shall 3bet here 13% - such a imo more or less realistic range:
JJ+,AKs,A9s-A6s,K9s-K6s,Q9s-Q7s,JTs,J8s-J7s,T7s,96s,85s,74s,AKo,ATo-A9o,KJo-KTo,QJo

With AKo, we would have 62,5% EQ.
- AQo would have at least 60,7% EQ (still very high imo)
- AJo 58% (already too low?) - AJs 60% (should be still high), ATs 57% (too low)
- KQo only 52% (too low), KQs at least 54,5% (still too low).

In short, where are your %-borders when you speak about "crushing somebody`s range equitywise"?

Posted about 4 years ago

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What you mean by saying "crushing somebody`s 3betrange equitywise" - I mean, where is the border? (jow muyh EQ you wanna have vs. someone`s 3betcall range to say that you are crushing it).

Here is 1 scenario (CovsBTN; we are Co and faced with a 3bet):
Villain is an active 3bettor IP and shall 3bet here 13% - such a imo more or less realistic range:
JJ+,AKs,A9s-A6s,K9s-K6s,Q9s-Q7s,JTs,J8s-J7s,T7s,96s,85s,74s,AKo,ATo-A9o,KJo-KTo,QJo

With AKo, we would have 62,5% EQ.
- AQo would have at least 60,7% EQ (still very high imo)
- AJo 58% (already too low?) - AJs 60% (should be still high), ATs 57% (too low)
- KQo only 52% (too low), KQs at least 54,5% (still too low).

In short, where are your %-borders when you speak about "crushing somebody`s range equitywise"?



the impt thing you've hit here is that "crushing someones range" is relative, and that the really impt thing is making sure your opponent is polarized before you even start considering calling OOP.

Andrew

Posted about 4 years ago

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Hey Andrew or somebody else,

Sorry for my noob question but what is polarised en depolarised?

Is polarised nuts or bluf and depolarised everything?

Tx

Posted about 4 years ago

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grrreat video Andrew!

actually the best i've seen in a while because it combines entertainment with really interesting poker content!

My main problem is normally to stay focussed for a whole video but with some jokes and foreign language stuff it's easy to follow Smile
(please say something german in a vid in the future ^^)


I also learned a ton from the content (unfortunaly I switched to PLO some month ago - but after playing NLHE for years I'm still pretty into it).

hopefully we will see more of those great videos from you in the future!

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Hey Andrew or somebody else,

Sorry for my noob question but what is polarised en depolarised?

Is polarised nuts or bluf and depolarised everything?

Tx



Polarized: Is very strong and also crap - so stuff that will happily stack off when played back at AND stuff that will insta-muck when played back at - so yes bluffs and nuts type hands so 10% 3bet range maybe top 5% of hands (use pokerstove) and 5% of 74s etc etc obviously %'s here are just made up as they are player dependent but you get the idea.
Depolarized is value hands only - ie. a depolarized X% 3bet range will generally be the top X% of hands

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how to construct my ranges?


+1

And how to react to differing opp. calling ranges, which I suppose is really the same thing.

Posted about 4 years ago

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I get the point that flatting QQ+ vs. depolarized 3betranges makes a lot of sense, when the relevant villains are folding much to 4bets (not capable of light 5betjamming in a decent frequency).
When i thing about it, it also seems to be true for AK, vs. these opponents?
Or dou you think that b/c you have about 40% EQ with AK vs. an usual brokerange preflop (but only when you see all 5 communitycards!), it is more worth to just realize this high PotEQ, instead of calling and risking to not improve in 66% of all cases + being on boards vs. opponnents where you also don`t wanna/cannot move +ev?

What you thing on this?

btw.,
just great vid so far - thank you for this workWink

Posted about 4 years ago

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I get the point that flatting QQ+ vs. depolarized 3betranges makes a lot of sense, when the relevant villains are folding much to 4bets (not capable of light 5betjamming in a decent frequency).
When i thing about it, it also seems to be true for AK, vs. these opponents?
Or dou you think that b/c you have about 40% EQ with AK vs. an usual brokerange preflop (but only when you see all 5 communitycards!), it is more worth to just realize this high PotEQ, instead of calling and risking to not improve in 66% of all cases + being on boards vs. opponnents where you also don`t wanna/cannot move +ev?

What you thing on this?

btw.,
just great vid so far - thank you for this workWink



i think its probably better to flat with AK too tbh.

Andrew

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Polarized: Is very strong and also crap - so stuff that will happily stack off when played back at AND stuff that will insta-muck when played back at - so yes bluffs and nuts type hands so 10% 3bet range maybe top 5% of hands (use pokerstove) and 5% of 74s etc etc obviously %'s here are just made up as they are player dependent but you get the idea.
Depolarized is value hands only - ie. a depolarized X% 3bet range will generally be the top X% of hands




Oke clear. Thanks

Posted about 4 years ago

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What you have meant by saying that vs. a bad-aggr. Player we close our eyes and call?
Meant you that we call wider preflop and then moving lots of flops (probably by raising more often than floating b/c monkeys are often 2bdbarelling as well...)?

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One general question about which I just thought a little bit:
Is it maybe in the vacuum more +ev to flat a 3bet OOP with KK+ (maybe also QQ) in for example CovsBTN vs. someone who is 3betting in this spot 10%+?
Reason for my guess: a REG 3bets IP normally polarized -> hence he has less hand which will play pre 3bet/5betJam and has more "lowValue_hands" in his range....

Wouldn`t be here a trap pre in vacuum at least better?

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One general question about which I just thought a little bit:
Is it maybe in the vacuum more +ev to flat a 3bet OOP with KK+ (maybe also QQ) in for example CovsBTN vs. someone who is 3betting in this spot 10%+?
Reason for my guess: a REG 3bets IP normally polarized -> hence he has less hand which will play pre 3bet/5betJam and has more "lowValue_hands" in his range....

Wouldn`t be here a trap pre in vacuum at least better?



yup, probably

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yup, probably

Andrew




All right, also here: Thank you very much for all your patient responses - rly appreciate themWink

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All right, also here: Thank you very much for all your patient responses - rly appreciate themWink



no problem! Thanks for your good questions.

Andrew

Posted about 4 years ago

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Andrew,

great vid, very helpful. i have a few questions:

If you are calling oop against a polarized range, are u ever incorporating 4betting into your strategey as well? Its hard to get good hands, so it seems like you will be folding a lot and villain can still make a lot of money by 3betting you light. In addition, if you are folding a lot and villain is a good player, won't he recognize that your calling frequency is low and that when you do call you prob have a strong hand, making him unlikely to put money into the pot without a very strong holding himself? So are you able to play back often enough by flatting given that you are flatting strong hands and you dont get strong hands that often?

However, if you use a 4betting strategy, you can 4bet a lot and therefore play back more often. But if you try to use a 4betting and a calling strategy, how can you effectively balance both ranges given that you dont get dealt enough strong hands to both call and 4bet with?

Also, if you elect to use a flatting strategy, is there any need to balance that range?

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Andrew,

great vid, very helpful. i have a few questions:

If you are calling oop against a polarized range, are u ever incorporating 4betting into your strategey as well? Its hard to get good hands, so it seems like you will be folding a lot and villain can still make a lot of money by 3betting you light. In addition, if you are folding a lot and villain is a good player, won't he recognize that your calling frequency is low and that when you do call you prob have a strong hand, making him unlikely to put money into the pot without a very strong holding himself? So are you able to play back often enough by flatting given that you are flatting strong hands and you dont get strong hands that often?

However, if you use a 4betting strategy, you can 4bet a lot and therefore play back more often. But if you try to use a 4betting and a calling strategy, how can you effectively balance both ranges given that you dont get dealt enough strong hands to both call and 4bet with?

Also, if you elect to use a flatting strategy, is there any need to balance that range?



you can 4bet. ALso, you dont need to worry about being balanced, but worry instead about doing the opposite of what your opponent thinks/wants you to do.

Andrew

Posted about 4 years ago

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you can 4bet. ALso, you dont need to worry about being balanced, but worry instead about doing the opposite of what your opponent thinks/wants you to do.

Andrew



what type of hands do we 4bet with? if we are only 4betting with bluffs, then cant our opponent just 5bet jam with impunity?

Posted about 4 years ago

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what type of hands do we 4bet with? if we are only 4betting with bluffs, then cant our opponent just 5bet jam with impunity?



well, if he knew what we were doing, and he was going to shove anything he 3bet, then it seems time to start 4b AK again.

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well, if he knew what we were doing, and he was going to shove anything he 3bet, then it seems time to start 4b AK again.



ahh i think i got the drift now. so if hes folded to some of our 4bets and then he sees us flat a premium and then next time we 4bet he 5bet jams, then we might be inclined to start 4betting a range of like TT+ AK and AQ?

thank you for patient responses.

Posted about 4 years ago

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For hunl, does the idea of polarized or depolarized 3betting ranges matter as much or do we just assume that he has both small suited type hands and big cards?

Posted about 4 years ago

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For hunl, does the idea of polarized or depolarized 3betting ranges matter as much or do we just assume that he has both small suited type hands and big cards?



it matters probably even more. "what is my opponent doing with KJ" is a HUGE question in HU. If he's flatting KJ pre, we should be flatting his 3bets, and if hes 3betting KJ pre, we should be 4-bet folding more vs him. If he's 3-betting everything... I'd 4bet a lot and call with strong stuff a lot. It's not super duper hard to beat someone who 3bets everything. Tightening up is an option, also, as is limping the btn or minopening.

Andrew

Posted about 4 years ago

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In 6max games, is there a certain 3bet percentage beyond which you can really start to expect a polarized range?

What I'm trying to say is: for example, if a villain has a 20% 3bet stat, you could assume he has a polarized range because he isn't just 3betting the top 20% of all hands. So, would you be comfortable assigning a rough tipping point?

Edit: Andrew is probably going to yell at me for relying on stats.

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In 6max games, is there a certain 3bet percentage beyond which you can really start to expect a polarized range?

What I'm trying to say is: for example, if a villain has a 20% 3bet stat, you could assume he has a polarized range because he isn't just 3betting the top 20% of all hands. So, would you be comfortable assigning a rough tipping point?

Edit: Andrew is probably going to yell at me for relying on stats.



there is another option besides polarized and depolarized, and its called "everything"

just a thought

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there is another option besides polarized and depolarized, and its called "everything"

just a thought


I don't get it Frown

OK, so in the video you referred to a villain with a 12%3b. Is this often polarized on average, absent other information?

How do you play vs everything oop anyway?

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How do you play vs everything oop anyway?



It depends how they react to a 4bet vs how they react to a call-this, imo, is the crux of what Baluga wants us micro players to come away with from his teachings on reacting to a re-raise.

Our decisions about how to respond depends on 2 basic things-their range for 3betting (polarized vs depolarized) and how they react with each portion of their range when we 4bet vs call their 3bet. If we know a villain is betting a polarized range with a (statistically significant) 12% 3bet, 4betting makes him fold the 6% or so of his range that is trash and shove the ~6% that is the top portion of his range-i.e. We only make him make a mistake if we have a hand that does well hot/cold vs the best ~6% of hands, or we think he's folding enough that we can collect dead money with OUR trash. If we call, we are working post flop against either trash or a monster, so we have to hope he makes a mistake post flop for us to make money (value betting a worse hand than us, bluffing when we can bluff catch, or giving up and letting us collect dead money).

However, if he is 3betting a depolarized range, that 12% is ~the top 12% of hands and no trash (put it into poker stove for an estimate). Now, when we 4bet, he may have some difficult decisions to make about where to draw the line to shove or fold, and we may induce a mistake from him. If we call, we are working against a overall stronger range post flop, so this only makes sense if we have a read that he is weak post flop and will give up easily (we can bluff), or we want to trap him because he will fold to a 4bet with the majority of his range (we want to value bet).

When answering these "what if he does this with his entire range" questions, think about what you would do if someone is opening any two cards on the button when you are in the blinds? Pretty much the same logic applies vs a 3bet.

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keep in mind, also, that few players always polarize/depolarize their 3bet range from every position vs every opponent-usually it's varied depending on what they expect their opponents to do. For instance, many good players will 3bet a depolarized range vs a fish, because they are likely to CALL more often (our range will be stronger overall post flop depolarized), whereas when the good player is in position vs a regular, they often 3bet a depolarized range since the regular is unlikely to call OOP (and reacting to a 4bet is easy with a depolarized range).

You'd need a statistically significant 3bet from X pos vs Y pos (Btn 3bet vs CO open) from a single session to use stats alone to determine exactly what they are 3betting, and that's pretty rare to achieve. It's much easier to use stats as a guide and pay more attention to 3bet pots when they go to SD, even when you're not in the hand.

Also, I said that playing vs a 3betting monkey is similar to defending your BB against a wide opener-that's not totally accurate. When you know someone is 3betting you with any two cards IP, you don't have to deal with it by calling/4betting more...you can also adjust YOUR opening range or even limp!

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there is another option besides polarized and depolarized, and its called "everything"

just a thought



lol

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whereas when the good player is in position vs a regular, they often 3bet a depolarized range since the regular is unlikely to call OOP (and reacting to a 4bet is easy with a depolarized range).



Zenben, did you mean a POLARIZED range here? I think you did, just checking Grin

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Zenben, did you mean a POLARIZED range here? I think you did, just checking Grin



Yes-it seems I must have gotten a little mixed up there-the logic I mention in your quote works out better if we are talking about a POLARIZED range. However, on it's own it is somewhat incomplete logic since making a hand easier to play is not necessarily +EV. Some other reasons we like re-raising a POLARIZED range when in position vs a regular are:
A)We are likely to have the highest degree of pre flop fold equity for our bluffs when IP.
B) We have position if we are called, giving us post flop control of the hand (ability to build a big pot with a big hand and vice versa).
C) We capitalize on our pre-flop equity when we have premium hands since so many regulars use a 4-bet/fold strategy OOP.
D)We don't waste the value of a marginally strong hand vs an opponent who is opening loosely but will not call a 3bet loosely. In other words, it allows us to have a relatively strong calling range compared to villain's PFR range. This is especially profitable when in position, since we can make more money post flop in position (e.g. increase implied odds).
this is all obv debatable if an opponent is properly adjusting to our strategy, or if he has severe post flop leaks that will make it more profitable to call with premiums (such as vs a very aggro c-bettor) or build a big pot preflop with ATC and collect money post flop when a weak villain constantly folds post flop.

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when u have AK from btn and a reg 3bet u from blinds ,when u just call and when u 4bet?
i think in this spot vs regular or reg fish 4bet shove is better 4bet size.
usually i'm not very happy to flat AK

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You say calling a 3bet out of position is an option only when you know he has a polarised range, and you are absolutely crushing the opponent equity wise to get more value from your nutted hands as he'll just fold to a 4bet and you'll lose value.

Is this similar to how you might only 3bet air, the nuts & flat call w/ hands like vs AQ, AJ, KQ, KJ, JJ vs a passive reg because his only lines are fold or 4bets with the intention to get it in.

Also you mentioned somewhere in there that calling out of position is dependent on effective stack sizes so I was wondering about the whole "crushing him equity wise". If you opponent has a polarised range but it's only polarised to AA,KK,QQ but you're both 200bb deep you are in fact crushed if you call w/ 22-JJ but you stand to stack him for 200bb if you hit your set on a drawy board. Is this the scenario that you are on about where stack sizes may change the equity needed to call out of position. I thought also maybe if a fish were out of position to the 3bet but in position relative to you this could alter things if he were also 100bb deep.

Great video so far. Spent 30 minutes thinking about this or at least making sure I understand everything so far and I'm only 20 minutes in. Good stuff. Thanks for the help.
Time stamp didn't come up but the effective stack size thing is before 15 minutes I believe. The top part of the question is from 18 minutes.

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1) Yes, it is similar.

2) yes, as stack sizes increase, the need for good hot-cold equity decreases (as implied odds increase).

Seems like you're on the right track.

Andrew

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