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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by blah234 (Micro/Small Stakes)

I like the 4bet fold strategy vs a 3bet when unsure, I just don't win money when I flat 3bets (even after adjusting for pf size) and it's too easy to play too fit/fold or spewy

Cant wait to watch!

first, I win.
I like the 4bet fold strategy vs a 3bet when unsure, I just don't win money when I flat 3bets (even after adjusting for pf size) and it's too easy to play too fit/fold or spewy

I feel the same way but I often feel like screaming when I turned AJo into a bluff and get called instead of shoved on,

Episode 2 already, super sweet. How often will these be released?

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What's the minimum 4b% of a villain needed for you to shift to this range?

I would guess 20%+ but I may be wrong.

Super vid btw.

What's the minimum 4b% of a villain needed for you to shift to this range?

I would guess 20%+ but I may be wrong.

Super vid btw.

This depends on villain's preflop range, 4 betting 20% of a 10% opening range is all strong hands but 4 betting 20% of a 60% opening range you can shift your 3betting range and prepare to shove.

This depends on villain's preflop range, 4 betting 20% of a 10% opening range is all strong hands but 4 betting 20% of a 60% opening range you can shift your 3betting range and prepare to shove.

True, but we're mostly talking about CO or BTN v Blinds where opener is more often than not around 45%.
(I very rarely see someone open 10% or 60% OTB, I would say 75% of the time it's 35-45%)

But I see what you mean how you have to take their open range into account.

If we estimate that the best play with a hand is to 3bet we should 3bet. We don't lose EV of future hands as long as we adjust our 3bet range and remember to gradually expand our shoving range and gradually depolarize.

When we defend against 3bets it is not a good to default to a 4bet if we are not sure. That is a sign of poor postflop skills in 3bet pots. I see a lot of players 4bet hands like 88 in spots where it is going to be --EV. People need to 3bet a ton or be bad enough to 3bet/shove small pockets.

The best way to learn this is to sit down and do the math. I requires a lot of work.. but you will get a much better feel for the ranges.. And you will be more sure when you pick your lines.

Against an aggro 3better min raising is a really good idea.

a) you can call with more hands we you get 3bet.
b) when you 4bet he can't shove as wide a range because he will risk more money.

If we estimate that the best play with a hand is to 3bet we should 3bet. We don't lose EV of future hands as long as we adjust our 3bet range and remember to gradually expand our shoving range and gradually depolarize.

When we defend against 3bets it is not a good to default to a 4bet if we are not sure. That is a sign of poor postflop skills in 3bet pots. I see a lot of players 4bet hands like 88 in spots where it is going to be --EV. People need to 3bet a ton or be bad enough to 3bet/shove small pockets.

The best way to learn this is to sit down and do the math. I requires a lot of work.. but you will get a much better feel for the ranges.. And you will be more sure when you pick your lines.

Against an aggro 3better min raising is a really good idea.

a) you can call with more hands we you get 3bet.
b) when you 4bet he can't shove as wide a range because he will risk more money.

Maybe I didn't make it clear enough in the video but I wasn't suggesting 4 bet and stack off with a wide range. I mean to lean towards a 4 bet bluff over a call if we're not sure if our call will be +EV. Eventually we'd like our postflop play to be good enough but in the mean time 4bet bluffing is the "easier" route that allows the least amount of mistakes (for both hero and villain).

Agree totally with the rest of what you said, didn't mention the minraising strategy in the video, which works great vs aggro 3 bettors.

Against an aggro 3better min raising is a really good idea.

a) you can call with more hands we you get 3bet.
b) when you 4bet he can't shove as wide a range because he will risk more money.

I might disagree with B. I understand the point of using leverage vs aggro player. But if his 5b shoves are bigger, from a GTO perspective, he can actually bluff more than if his 5b shoves are smaller - in other words his bigger 5b shoves we don't need to call as frequently because we win so much when we do. So our range would be tighter relative to his, which could be wider. Hope this makes sense. Flame away.

So I agree we open smaller and 4b smaller - but only assuming we want to keep a wider opening range (the inverse is we can keep the opens and 4b bigger the tighter we adjust our opening range).

I might disagree with B. I understand the point of using leverage vs aggro player. But if his 5b shoves are bigger, from a GTO perspective, he can actually bluff more than if his 5b shoves are smaller - assuming he expands his value range too.

I understand what you are saying.

The bigger you bet the more bluffs you can have in your range. The reason is that the bigger you bet the more equity a bluff catcher needs to make a +EV call.

But what is a bluff and what is value in this case?

If you do the math you will see that what matters is how much equity a given hand has against the calling range. If the calling range is static (which is reasonable in this case) then you need more equity in order to have a +EV shove or the BTN needs to fold more often.

Really one of the best series in along time

Just one question. When u talk about the euro guys out of control 4betting and u recommend to shove AQ+ and 22+, what for a 4bet/call range do you almost assign to villain? Something like AK, QQ+? Than I'd prefer some other hands than AQo tbh.

QQ+,AKs,AKo vs AQo 24.42% while 65s eg has 31.14%

Really one of the best series in along time

Just one question. When u talk about the euro guys out of control 4betting and u recommend to shove AQ+ and 22+, what for a 4bet/call range do you almost assign to villain? Something like AK, QQ+? Than I'd prefer some other hands than AQo tbh.

QQ+,AKs,AKo vs AQo 24.42% while 65s eg has 31.14%

You can't assume people's calling range will be QQ and AK only. Most likely calling range something like TT+ and AK if they're 4 betting alot.

True dats. And than hands like AQo, AJs KQs, QJs go up in value. Olrait =)

If we estimate that the best play with a hand is to 3bet we should 3bet. We don't lose EV of future hands as long as we adjust our 3bet range and remember to gradually expand our shoving range and gradually depolarize.

When we defend against 3bets it is not a good to default to a 4bet if we are not sure. That is a sign of poor postflop skills in 3bet pots. I see a lot of players 4bet hands like 88 in spots where it is going to be --EV. People need to 3bet a ton or be bad enough to 3bet/shove small pockets.

The best way to learn this is to sit down and do the math. I requires a lot of work.. but you will get a much better feel for the ranges.. And you will be more sure when you pick your lines.

Against an aggro 3better min raising is a really good idea.

a) you can call with more hands we you get 3bet.
b) when you 4bet he can't shove as wide a range because he will risk more money.

I've actually found the major adjustment to my minraising has been larger 3bet size so I don't really get to call a lot and my 4 bet bluffs get really expensive. I react to it by folding a lot more often since I figure their bluff is costing so much more that I don't need to play back very often. Also if it gets out of hand I tighten up my button range.

I've actually found the major adjustment to my minraising has been larger 3bet size so I don't really get to call a lot and my 4 bet bluffs get really expensive. I react to it by folding a lot more often since I figure their bluff is costing so much more that I don't need to play back very often. Also if it gets out of hand I tighten up my button range.

I need a little more info

larger? To 10bb?
Do they 3bet a wider range or more of less the same range?
Do they call with more hands?

I need a little more info

larger? To 10bb?
Do they 3bet a wider range or more of less the same range?
Do they call with more hands?

Yeah 2-10 seems be the norm with these guys. I haven't gotten to showdown enough yet to really speak of if their range is different or not. I know they are still folding to 4 bets so its not a super tight range.

Good video ! Say we are bb vs btn , how do you construct your range when villain is 4betting some , calling some but also folding a fair amount. I find this happens to me and i cant say for sure what part of the spectrum villain sits most in - this leads me to constructing a range based on the hands im dealt more so than a specific game plan. What should i be doing to help me find one ?

Good video ! Say we are bb vs btn , how do you construct your range when villain is 4betting some , calling some but also folding a fair amount. I find this happens to me and i cant say for sure what part of the spectrum villain sits most in - this leads me to constructing a range based on the hands im dealt more so than a specific game plan. What should i be doing to help me find one ?

If he folds enough for your 3 bet to be profitable we're still going to 3 bet with polarized range and make money just from folds. If he's not then he must defend with a wide range unless he's nitty. So when someone defends wide range they must be doing either too much 4 bet or call and we depolarize or shift into shoving over 4 bet mode.

Remeber it's a paper rock scissors game. If people uses 70% paper (fold) 15% scissors (call), 10% rock (4bet) we still use rock (polarized range) 100% of the time.

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Great video, cant wait for the next one!

hi great vid

speaking of us betting i got some questions (you said that me must think in tem of why...)

why do we 3bet pocket pairs and Axs instead of calling them to set mine / play flushdraws ip
you said 3betting is to make him do errors, don't you think we make him does less error when we 3bet pocket paires and Axs than if we call them ip?

when he will certainly call
that means f cbet<66% right? so i we was him call 3bet with 67s we 3bet with 87s+? that sounds wide..
why did you want 10% 3bet,is it a good number because if we just 3bet all that is ahead of his calling range it can be more or less than 10%

when he will certainly 4bet
you said he will certainly calls shove with TT+ AK (3.5%)
what range do we want to consider that he 4bet a lot (his range = 4bet% x PFR of the position he 4bet, right?) because it will be spew if we consider him 4 betting a lot but he does not in reality
why do you construct your range with 22+ AQ+ vs TT+AK (38%vs him)
why dont you prefer A2s+,TT+,KQs,AQo with is 39% against him and keep all pairs to setmine,
why do you take a range of 8% to 5bet?

when he will certainly folds
why put Aqo , we will not like to bet 4bettet
why put QQ+ if he folds a lot, why not construct a range with only bluffs and flats premium vs him?

thats a lot of questions but trying to think in term of why

thanks, have a nice day

hi great vid

speaking of us betting i got some questions (you said that me must think in tem of why...)

why do we 3bet pocket pairs and Axs instead of calling them to set mine / play flushdraws ip
you said 3betting is to make him do errors, don't you think we make him does less error when we 3bet pocket paires and Axs than if we call them ip?

when he will certainly call
that means f cbet<66% right? so i we was him call 3bet with 67s we 3bet with 87s+? that sounds wide..
why did you want 10% 3bet,is it a good number because if we just 3bet all that is ahead of his calling range it can be more or less than 10%

when he will certainly 4bet
you said he will certainly calls shove with TT+ AK (3.5%)
what range do we want to consider that he 4bet a lot (his range = 4bet% x PFR of the position he 4bet, right?) because it will be spew if we consider him 4 betting a lot but he does not in reality
why do you construct your range with 22+ AQ+ vs TT+AK (38%vs him)
why dont you prefer A2s+,TT+,KQs,AQo with is 39% against him and keep all pairs to setmine,
why do you take a range of 8% to 5bet?

when he will certainly folds
why put Aqo , we will not like to bet 4bettet
why put QQ+ if he folds a lot, why not construct a range with only bluffs and flats premium vs him?

thats a lot of questions but trying to think in term of why

thanks, have a nice day

First you need to think about range and not hands. If someone calls with 67s as the bottom of his range do you then 3bet 87s+? The answer is no because 87s still has equity disadvantage vs villain's RANGE even though it is ahead of some hands in his range.

I picked 10% as an example in the video and I believe I said that number i just pulled out of the air without any specific reason. The example is to illustrate how to construct 3 betting ranges. You should use the previous slide and what I talked about as guidelines to figure out how wide of a range you want to 3 bet.

The definition of someone 4 bet a lot is they will fold a good portion of his 4 betting range to a shove. We construct our range to have the maximum equity vs his calling range. We make money not from being called. If you look at the equity of AK vs a range of TT+ and AQ+ that is only around flipping. We make money from our 5 bet shoving range from the combination of pot equity and fold equity vs villain's total 4 betting range( 4bet/call + 4 bet/fold). I suggest you play around with poker stove and see hand's preflop hot and cold equity vs a range. You will see why we want to shove pocket pairs instead of like KQ and Ax.

When villain folds too much he will certainly not fold everything. I'm sure you can 3 bet QQ AK etc and be ahead of any defending range. Slow playing makes sense only if villain is folding everything down to AA KK which no one does. Even if someone is a super nit, you can pound on them with 3 bets until you can 3 bet AK, QQ profitably.

The most comon scenario for me (micro stakes) is 3betting AK for value against a fish.

They will always call any pair+any broadway.

Equity is about 60/40 in my favour.

Post-flop are you saying we should bet/bet/shove every time ?(only folding to a re-raise)?

The most comon scenario for me (micro stakes) is 3betting AK for value against a fish.

They will always call any pair+any broadway.

Equity is about 60/40 in my favour.

Post-flop are you saying we should bet/bet/shove every time ?(only folding to a re-raise)?

how did you come to this conclusion? If your equity is 60/40 vs a calling range on every street then yes you should bet/bet/shove everytime. I doubt you will have that equity without hitting a pair.

[quote]how did you come to this conclusion? If your equity is 60/40 vs a calling range on every street then yes you should bet/bet/shove everytime. I doubt you will have that equity without hitting a pair.[/quote

assume it is a fisjh who calls any broadway and pair
your equity with AK is 60.40


so i mean pre-flop equity

do we bet/bet/shove?

Smershbloke.....This totally depends on player tendencies and board texture. Not all fish play the same and not all fish will fold their equity share postflop.

assume it is a fisjh who calls any broadway and pair
your equity with AK is 60.40


so i mean pre-flop equity

do we bet/bet/shove?

no because the villain's range changes on each street so unless you think you have more than 51% equity on every street, you should not keep betting.

no because the villain's range changes on each street so unless you think you have more than 51% equity on every street, you should not keep betting.

that make sense now.
However, this is very difficult to estimate against a fish, right?

btw - i really like your series.

The best way to learn this is to sit down and do the math. I requires a lot of work.. but you will get a much better feel for the ranges.. And you will be more sure when you pick your lines.

Against an aggro 3better min raising is a really good idea.

a) you can call with more hands we you get 3bet.
b) when you 4bet he can't shove as wide a range because he will risk more money.

On a), what is your reason for wanting to call more hands when you get 3b, can you explain how you think beacuse just minraising and calling more smaller 3bets without a reason and plan on how to make money from it seems pointless and more hands than what amount? So to educate us, it is not enough to say you can do this without the why.

For b) Also incomplete information to me, when we 4bet what range vs what range can't he shove wide, how wide? And what about him 5betting smaller instead of 5b shoving with a range that is adjusted to our range?
Isn't it more complicated then just saying if you minraise someone 3betting a wide range and then if you 4bet he can't shove as wide a range beacuse he will risk more money.

It's like saying if someone raises wide and you 3bet he can't shove a wide range, well how wide do we 3b vs how wide a opening range and what does our 3b range consist of and how do we respond to his shoves etc?
I don't know exactly what I'm talking about cause thinking deep in ranges and trying to figure this out is very new to me, I just don't se how that comment really shows anything concrete.

Also I want to learn this and do the math and figure stuff out but there can be so many variables it seems, I don't know when I will have figured it out, aslo when I think about it I doubt all high stakes players and famous proos have all done the nitty gritty math, I think it is requiered to get an edge so I want to do it but I doubt all the succesfull players have all sat for days and weeks calculating stuff.. ecpecially in the past when there where more fish, maybe it wasn't required then but more now, I mean vs a huge fish you can se much more obviues ways to play with an edge than you need vs a decent regg and you don't have to extract the most edge you can to be a winner vs big fish.

Just one question. When u talk about the euro guys out of control 4betting and u recommend to shove AQ+ and 22+, what for a 4bet/call range do you almost assign to villain? Something like AK, QQ+? Than I'd prefer some other hands than AQo tbh.

QQ+,AKs,AKo vs AQo 24.42% while 65s eg has 31.14%



You can't assume people's calling range will be QQ and AK only. Most likely calling range something like TT+ and AK if they're 4 betting alot.

I also didn't get this exactly, what hands are you suggesting he calls with, I doubt he often calls much worse hands than 88+ and AJ+ and vs that range we are basically flipping (slight dogg) so we plan to make money from this off of the 4betfolds we think he will make right?

I also didn't get this exactly, what hands are you suggesting he calls with, I doubt he often calls much worse hands than 88+ and AJ+ and vs that range we are basically flipping (slight dogg) so we plan to make money from this off of the 4betfolds we think he will make right?

of course since villain doesn't call witih 100% of his 4 betting range so you can be an fairly big underdog vs his calling range even and still be +EV when you shove. It all depends on villain's range. This is all pretty basic math.

If he folds enough for your 3 bet to be profitable we're still going to 3 bet with polarized range and make money just from folds. If he's not then he must defend with a wide range unless he's nitty. So when someone defends wide range they must be doing either too much 4 bet or call and we depolarize or shift into shoving over 4 bet mode.

Remeber it's a paper rock scissors game. If people uses 70% paper (fold) 15% scissors (call), 10% rock (4bet) we still use rock (polarized range) 100% of the time.

Okey so how do we really think here, say he is opening a 40% range and he folds 70% to our 3bets, calls 15% and 4bet 10%. say he 4bets his top 10% that is JJ+ AKs AKo AQo 3.92% and he calls 99 1010 J10s Q10s JQs K10s KJo KJs KQo KQs A10s AJ0 AJs AQs 6.33%.
First of all how do we define how wide to 3b vs him and when do we change that.
I understand that 3betting depolarized is the best beacuse when he do call or 4bet we sometimes have a hand that we can shove or keep betting with for value on the flopp, but then there is also to take into consideration how often he folds, calls and raises flopp with his calling range and if he calls to float or raises as bluffs etc.
And it isn't just as simple as to say that as long as he folds more than 50% to our 3bet we make money right, cause our 3bet cost us like 9 bbs to win 4.5 if we 3b him from bb and he opens btn, so we have to take into consideration how much we loose/make when he 4bets and calls and when we play postflopp etc..

So how do we calculate and estimate how wide a range is profitable. I really don't understand this. I tried getting this before but after people and even my coach got frustrated by me and my questions, I kinda gave up. Sure I could just mimic and listen to some things like not 4bet bluffing someone who 3bets less than 11% if he shoves AQ but I need and want to understand how to figure out other scenarios by myself to get forward in poker, I just hope you can show me how to think to do so.

he folds 70%

that's all the info you need to 3 bet him with ATC that can't be higher EV calling.

Assume he raises to 3BB and there's 1.5BB from the blinds, we risk XBB to win those 4.5BB. even assume we lose the pot 100% of the times he does not fold.

4.5*.7 (villain folds) = 0.3X (villain does not fold) solve for X for the break even point

X=10.75. So if we make our 3 bet less than 10.75BB it's +EV to raise ATC even assuming we never ever win without the villain folding which is clearly not the case because 72o can flop the nuts sometimes too. It' is really that simple because when he 4 bets etc we lose money but over all the EV of the play is still positive which means we have a net gain over the long run. Villain is allowed to bluff us sometimes we can't win every pot.

Math changes when our assumptions changes which is the fold 70% part. Much more complicated to figure when it's higher EV to 3 bet or call. Because this involves estimating your own skill advantage over the villain post flop in addition to his calling range.

If your coach is frustrated or can't explain this simple math to you then you probably should get a new coach or just watch the math series on here. it's absolutely essential to understand the basic math behind poker so you can figure out the right adjustments.

that's all the info you need to 3 bet him with ATC that can't be higher EV calling.

Assume he raises to 3BB and there's 1.5BB from the blinds, we risk XBB to win those 4.5BB. even assume we lose the pot 100% of the times he does not fold.

4.5*.7 (villain folds) = 0.3X (villain does not fold) solve for X for the break even point

X=10.75. So if we make our 3 bet less than 10.75BB it's +EV to raise ATC even assuming we never ever win without the villain folding which is clearly not the case because 72o can flop the nuts sometimes too. It' is really that simple because when he 4 bets etc we lose money but over all the EV of the play is still positive which means we have a net gain over the long run. Villain is allowed to bluff us sometimes we can't win every pot.

Math changes when our assumptions changes which is the fold 70% part. Much more complicated to figure when it's higher EV to 3 bet or call. Because this involves estimating your own skill advantage over the villain post flop in addition to his calling range.

If your coach is frustrated or can't explain this simple math to you then you probably should get a new coach or just watch the math series on here. it's absolutely essential to understand the basic math behind poker so you can figure out the right adjustments.

Okey it wasn't that I didn't belive you where right about it being +EV it was that I wanted to know how to calculate it, and also you didn't mention how big a range we where raising vs him to wich he responded in that way, and when this does change, I mean if he has that range static no matter our 3b range we should 3b 100% if no one els is left to act that can exploit that but probbably he will adjust in some way so if he adjusts by 4betting and calling more and eventually he folds 60% or 40% of hands, what we should do changes and I don't know how to se what to do here.

I feel rather dumb here, cause I have always had it pretty easy with maths and can do pretty big basic math calculations in my head and also how to get an edge on big fish was really easy to understand, but here I just don't se the big picture. I don't want to just do things cause I se them in videos and do what people say and when there is a spot someone hasn't showed me I am lost and don't play profitably.

What math series would you recomend, I know there are a few. I play 6maxnlhe. Thanks

of course since villain doesn't call witih 100% of his 4 betting range so you can be an fairly big underdog vs his calling range even and still be +EV when you shove. It all depends on villain's range. This is all pretty basic math.

Thanks, then at least i got that right

What math series would you recomend, I know there are a few. I play 6maxnlhe. Thanks

Math is math doesn't matter what forms of poker you play and how many handed. The most popular math series is WoT's math of NLHM and bellatrix's new one. I'd recommend understanding all the basic math before watching this series.

For Adjustments just solve for X again in the above equation using his new fold % and add in another factor for equity vs his calling range. You can repeat the same calculation for when you get 4 bet. Can't explain the math completely in a forum post since it's fairly lengthy so just watch the videos or ask your coach to explain them to you during a coaching session.

Math is math doesn't matter what forms of poker you play and how many handed. The most popular math series is WoT's math of NLHM and bellatrix's new one. I'd recommend understanding all the basic math before watching this series.

For Adjustments just solve for X again in the above equation using his new fold % and add in another factor for equity vs his calling range. You can repeat the same calculation for when you get 4 bet. Can't explain the math completely in a forum post since it's fairly lengthy so just watch the videos or ask your coach to explain them to you during a coaching session.

Okey thx I will. Hope I can afford to hire you as a coach someday.

Very nice Video.
33'08 -

You said that we should adjust our range 100% depending on villains most likely action.You gave the example of a wide depolarised 3betting range vs someone who is likely to call.So as i understand it we adjust against the action that has the highest probability of occuring.So if someone has a >50% f23b then folding becomes his most likely action.In that case do we go for a polarised or depolarised range???
What should be his 4b range(or %) to prefer a polarised range over a depolarised range.

Thank You.

Very nice Video.
33'08 -

You said that we should adjust our range 100% depending on villains most likely action.You gave the example of a wide depolarised 3betting range vs someone who is likely to call.So as i understand it we adjust against the action that has the highest probability of occuring.So if someone has a >50% f23b then folding becomes his most likely action.In that case do we go for a polarised or depolarised range???
What should be his 4b range(or %) to prefer a polarised range over a depolarised range.

Thank You.

Math and range questions. Answer is it depends. someone who folds to 3bet 51% of the times is not enough for us to profitably 3 bet bluff ever unless we min raise. So we 100% of the times only 3 bet for "value" use hands with equity advantage over his range unless villain plays poorly postflop.

Vs villain's 4 betting range it depends on what he shoves. Generally people shove top x% of their range so what we do is match that x% as a good rule of thumb. So our 5 bet shoving range has 50% equity vs his range and we make money from all the times he folds, unless villain's calling range is abnormally wide.

Math and range questions. Answer is it depends. someone who folds to 3bet 51% of the times is not enough for us to profitably 3 bet bluff ever unless we min raise. So we 100% of the times only 3 bet for "value" use hands with equity advantage over his range unless villain plays poorly postflop.

Vs villain's 4 betting range it depends on what he shoves. Generally people shove top x% of their range so what we do is match that x% as a good rule of thumb. So our 5 bet shoving range has 50% equity vs his range and we make money from all the times he folds, unless villain's calling range is abnormally wide.

I really didnt get the second paragraph.Please help.I'll post on how i understand it so please let me know if i am correct in my thinking.

Vs villain's 4 betting range it depends on what he shoves.

You mean a 4b/c range right?Because we are the one who will 3b/5b shove.

Generally people shove top x% of their range so what we do is match that x% as a good rule of thumb. So our 5 bet shoving range has 50% equity vs his range and we make money from all the times he folds, unless villain's calling range is abnormally wide

i didnt get this part.If villain has a 4b/c range of JJ+,AK then only KK+ has a greater than 50% equity against that range.So does it mean we are only 5b shoving KK+???

all this is based on the fact that villain actually has a reasonable 4bet/call range otherwise just nit it up. Ev of 4 bet shoving = the times he folds * the pot - (money we spend -pot size when called * equity).

I highly recommend that you do the math yourself or you will never understand these spots.

all this is based on the fact that villain actually has a reasonable 4bet/call range otherwise just nit it up. Ev of 4 bet shoving = the times he folds * the pot - (money we spend -pot size when called * equity).

I highly recommend that you do the math yourself or you will never understand these spots.

thanks.I'll do the math.

all this is based on the fact that villain actually has a reasonable 4bet/call range otherwise just nit it up. Ev of 4 bet shoving = the times he folds * the pot - (money we spend -pot size when called * equity).

I highly recommend that you do the math yourself or you will never understand these spots.

i did the math and here is how i understood it.Its a 50NL 6max game with me in BB and btn raises to $1.5.I 3b to $5 and btn 4bets to $11.So if i shove i am risking $45 to win $16.However when i get called and i have 66 vs his range of QQ+,AK i got 35% equity.So of the total pot of $100 i get back $35 every time i am called.So i am basically risking $10 to win $16 ie betting almost 60% of the pot so villian 4b/f more than 37% of the time then i am making my profit 5b shoving hands all pocket pairs.
Please let me know if i got this correctly...

i did the math and here is how i understood it.Its a 50NL 6max game with me in BB and btn raises to $1.5.I 3b to $5 and btn 4bets to $11.So if i shove i am risking $45 to win $16.However when i get called and i have 66 vs his range of QQ+,AK i got 35% equity.So of the total pot of $100 i get back $35 every time i am called.So i am basically risking $10 to win $16 ie betting almost 60% of the pot so villian 4b/f more than 37% of the time then i am making my profit 5b shoving hands all pocket pairs.
Please let me know if i got this correctly...

Something like that, didn't do the exactly math.

Something like that, didn't do the exactly math.

thnx man.....each one of your vids helps me a lot.

Let's say you know villain rarely calls 3bets OOP and is likely to 4b. IP villain is more likely to call 3bets. You should then use two different strategies (when villain is OOP; 3b/5b and when villain is IP; valuehands) on this specific villain right?

Let's say you know villain rarely calls 3bets OOP and is likely to 4b. IP villain is more likely to call 3bets. You should then use two different strategies (when villain is OOP; 3b/5b and when villain is IP; valuehands) on this specific villain right?

yes

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Great series so far blah234

You said that if villain is aggressive with a wide range from late position, we should be more inclined to call wider (from the blinds) so that any time we hit a pair we have good implied odds, because villain has a lot of air in his barrelling range and even if we play fit or fold it should still be +EV. But if we're defending a wider range, it means we have more air postflop, so won't we end up check folding most of the time and donating at least 1 bb?

Great series so far blah234

You said that if villain is aggressive with a wide range from late position, we should be more inclined to call wider (from the blinds) so that any time we hit a pair we have good implied odds, because villain has a lot of air in his barrelling range and even if we play fit or fold it should still be +EV. But if we're defending a wider range, it means we have more air postflop, so won't we end up check folding most of the time and donating at least 1 bb?

math question. If villain min raises and cbets like 70% of the times then we are basically calling 1bb to win like 5bb. We break even if we x/f 4/5 times. I'm fairly sure we can flop a hand more often than even if we play fit or fold and no one said we have to fold when we don't flop a pair.

Doesn't playing fit or fold imply we only ever continue when we hit? So if we're playing back when we don't hit, we're not playing fit/fold.

Also if we hit something like bottom pair and villain is barrelling air a lot, we're likely to be ahead of his range as a whole but our equity might not be that great, in addition to us being oop it can make the hand very difficult to play. What is your approach in this scenario?

Doesn't playing fit or fold imply we only ever continue when we hit? So if we're playing back when we don't hit, we're not playing fit/fold.

right so if we can be +EV while playing fit or fold then it must be higher EV if we don't play fit or fold by finding right spots to play back

Also if we hit something like bottom pair and villain is barrelling air a lot, we're likely to be ahead of his range as a whole but our equity might not be that great, in addition to us being oop it can make the hand very difficult to play. What is your approach in this scenario?

put villain on a range and play. There's no one right way to do anything the general concept is that since we get good price even if we play fit or fold we can be +EV calling a wide range. so what if we're OOP? What can the guy IP do? Fact is people just say OOP is bad like a catch phrase and in reality very few players understand how to use position. This combined with the wide preflop ranges is why we can play back with fairly wide ranges even OOP.

This video series' target audience is small stakes players, I don't talk about how to play vs good players that understands position and knows how to use it well.

Aaah I see now! Thanks blah!!!

Just had a thought - what can a player who understands position & uses it really well do that other players can't? Apply more pressure by betting/raising in position? But isn't this what most players do anyway?

Just had a thought - what can a player who understands position & uses it really well do that other players can't? Apply more pressure by betting/raising in position? But isn't this what most players do anyway?

why can't they apply pressure by bet/raising OOP? Same pressure IP as OOP with the same bet sizing.

in reality very few players understand how to use position. This combined with the wide preflop ranges is why we can play back with fairly wide ranges even OOP.

I don't talk about how to play vs good players that understands position and knows how to use it well.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I meant what is it that these good players can do with position that an average SS reg can't?

From what you've said I'm assuming that against someone who does know how to use position well, calling oop with a wide range even if they open a wide range isn't profitable, but why?

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I meant what is it that these good players can do with position that an average SS reg can't?

From what you've said I'm assuming that against someone who does know how to use position well, calling oop with a wide range even if they open a wide range isn't profitable, but why?

Short answer to first questions is they can construct ranges better and much harder for the guy OOP to be +EV. Long answer is too long for forum post and I suggest anyone who wants to learn this get their coach to teach it to them.

I don't understand your second question. Wide range is also relative, you obv shouldn't play a range wider than the pfr OOP in most cases. I'm pretty sure I said in the video that we can call a wider range of hands OOP compared to what the "standard" range is because most people don't know how to use position well.

Short answer to first questions is they can construct ranges better and much harder for the guy OOP to be +EV. Long answer is too long for forum post and I suggest anyone who wants to learn this get their coach to teach it to them.

I don't understand your second question. Wide range is also relative, you obv shouldn't play a range wider than the pfr OOP in most cases. I'm pretty sure I said in the video that we can call a wider range of hands OOP compared to what the "standard" range is because most people don't know how to use position well.

You actually answered this in the first part of your reply Calling a wider range against someone who does know how to use position well reduces the EV of the player oop, so they can't defend with the same range they could against an average player.

Short answer to first questions is they can construct ranges better and much harder for the guy OOP to be +EV. Long answer is too long for forum post and I suggest anyone who wants to learn this get their coach to teach it to them.

Did you learn this from your coach, or did it suddenly "click" at some point?

Did you learn this from your coach, or did it suddenly "click" at some point?

I learn parts from coaches and other parts from videos then put all the pieces together and it "clicked"

Awesome, thanks again blah for taking the time to answer my questions

im struggling to get to grips with 3 betting polarized and depolarized concept.

Say we have AJ suited on the button, a laggy player raises from MP whos playing 22/28 with a 65% fold to 3bet, of course we can 3 bet for value. However what would i do with the same hand vs a nit whos playing 14/10 with a 90% fold to 3bet. How would we decide whether to 3 bet this hand or not as assuming were ahead of his range, would it be more profitable to take the hand down right away by 3 betting or would it be more profitable to call IP (if the blinds are not sqeeze happy)?

Would we need a read on his calling and folding range other than the stats?

Thank you

im struggling to get to grips with 3 betting polarized and depolarized concept.

Say we have AJ suited on the button, a laggy player raises from MP whos playing 22/28 with a 65% fold to 3bet, of course we can 3 bet for value. However what would i do with the same hand vs a nit whos playing 14/10 with a 90% fold to 3bet. How would we decide whether to 3 bet this hand or not as assuming were ahead of his range, would it be more profitable to take the hand down right away by 3 betting or would it be more profitable to call IP (if the blinds are not sqeeze happy)?

Would we need a read on his calling and folding range other than the stats?

Thank you

We don't do anything as a value or a bluff I'm pretty sure that's covered in this video. I think that's where your problem is, we just have a 3betting range and not individual hands. In both situations 3 betting is +EV for sure so that's a better option than folding. Now is it higher EV than calling? That's the question you should ask yourself. We decide to 3bet or not based on what we believe is the highest EV for our range (which is 100% of all hands we get dealt preflop and face a raise).