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Road to Robusto NL: Episode Three

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Road to Robusto NL: Episode Three by tubasteve

Tubasteve does his groove thing with a 4-tabling video review from 25NL.

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  • 59 minutes long
  • Posted over 2 years ago

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Comments for Road to Robusto NL: Episode Three

HiT0Mi

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much love for doing this series Tubasteve! Absolutely helpful for starters like me!

Posted over 2 years ago

Trillos

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Time Link to 00:12:50

I think the QJo call from BB is bad, considering the raiser properly is a ok player.
3Bet or fold imo.

Nice video tho.

Posted over 2 years ago

zgpwns

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i like the episode and the fact that it was a pre recorded session is fine ... because you have more time to go trough your thought process
but in the future i would like to see more nl25 live play if possible ... and the HH review session after 10k hands of nl25 is great idea

Posted over 2 years ago

50505

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Great series. I prefer the videos that you are actually playing and not reviewing your play. Both are great and the review helps when you explain the play on the 10/8hearts hands. So both are good and just keep mixing them up.

Have you ever thought of doing 4 tables and using DC members on the tables and then reviewing that?? Would be benefical to us that can't afford an instuctor at this time.

Thanks, great video.

Posted over 2 years ago

Chimeni

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Time Link to 00:20:32

Great series Steve. You didn't mention AJ (although fewer combos of that). What would you do if he raised your river bet?

Posted over 2 years ago

tubasteve

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I think the QJo call from BB is bad, considering the raiser properly is a ok player.
3Bet or fold imo.

Nice video tho.





equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.008% 40.79% 02.22% 2313273420 125799552.00 { QJo }
Hand 1: 56.992% 54.77% 02.22% 3106278324 125799552.00 { 22+, A5s+, K9s+, QTs+, J9s+, T8s+, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, A8o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }

as long as you play well postflop, i think folding is a mistake. you may be right that 3-betting is higher EV, but flatting is certainly better than folding considering how much of an edge i should have on most 25nlers.

Posted over 2 years ago

tubasteve

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fwiw that range is about 24% of hands

Posted over 2 years ago

tubasteve

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Great series Steve. You didn't mention AJ (although fewer combos of that). What would you do if he raised your river bet?




easiest fold of my life

i mean that is an exaggeration, but what hands are we beating if he suddenly raises the river? he's never bluffing in that spot unless he's insane, so we should be well behind his value range.

Posted over 2 years ago

spotDEspot

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Time Link to 00:36:31

I'm interested to see what people think of this villain's range (T3) as I think a lower pocket pair (99-66) or maybe even lower are a part of this guy's range. People limp call lots of low PP's imo opinion and if he is going to do that then why wouldn't he peel a flop like this? It's pretty hard for you to hit it so the limp/call sucks but I don't think peeling a flop like this with 77/88/99 is that bad is it?

Posted over 2 years ago

spotDEspot

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Enjoying the series Steve. I am really looking forward to the hand replayer episode - I think that will be especially valuable if you look at hands that reflect the comments people made in the forums when you asked about making the series - e.g. 3bet pots, playing OOP etc etc.

As my red line sucks I'd like to see some good barreling spots too!

Posted over 2 years ago

Monsteroso

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QuadDeuces

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I think the QJo call from BB is bad, considering the raiser properly is a ok player.
3Bet or fold imo.

Nice video tho.



I have 340 hands (all at 25NL FR not 6-max) on Villain (Ship Heart). My reads are he is an aggrodonk prone to shoving pre-flop light and to bluffing off stacks by shoving Turns on dangerous looking boards eg 3 cards to Flush.

I think a call here with QJo is +EV especially with skill advantage. A 3B might get a light 4B out of him.

Posted over 2 years ago

QuadDeuces

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I have 340 hands (all at 25NL FR not 6-max) on Villain (Ship Heart). My reads are he is an aggrodonk prone to shoving pre-flop light and to bluffing off stacks by shoving Turns on dangerous looking boards eg 3 cards to Flush.

I think a call here with QJo is +EV especially with skill advantage. A 3B might get a light 4B out of him.



Losing 2.5 stacks over this small sample.

Posted over 2 years ago

poon8855

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I like this review format much better than the live play videos.

Posted over 2 years ago

QuadDeuces

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I like this review format much better than the live play videos.



+1

Posted over 2 years ago

Sugar Nut

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Somehow the "Comment From Timeline" feature doesn't show up for me right now, so at time index 20:30 (the QJ hand) you say, that you might have lost some turn value. I don't think so. I think checking the turn is the best play (Once you're in there in the first place. Calling pre is questionable imo).

However, if we think about his bet flop/check back turn range I definitely think that we missed some river value here. If he calls $3.50 (14BB) he'll certainly call $4.75-$5 (19BB-20BB) with his TX range and given that the K often improved him to TP I'm even more inclined to bet big here. He'll fold all of his air regardless of our betsize. Also he's not gonna raise us often enough to make betting big inferior to betting small.

imo

Posted over 2 years ago

Icehockeyplyr

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In the very begining of the video you discuss the change to video review rather than live. Personally I like the video review style much better for a couple reasons.

First, when many of the coaches do live they start talking about a hand, math, odds, and about ten words into the sentence they get off track by another big hand. Sometimes they get back to what they were saying and sometimes they forget.

Second, video review allows you to go much farther/deeper into a hand vrs live play, like when you got the chance to Pstove a few hands in this video for us, and show how thinking about a range for certain players kinda works. Sure you only get to talk about a few hands say 1/2 the hands you would have had it been live, cause of all the pausing, but its much more focused IMO.

Also you mentioned the next video in video reviewer, whats the difference in that and the way this was done. Other than the fact that you can bring in hands we missed out on, not much. How about waiting till farther into the series and doing a HEM review filter out the sessions you have shown us and maybe show us some things you look for(or we should look for)in your game after each session. Not sure how hard this would be with the probably tens of thousands of hands you have played between each video and filtering for just these sessions. Anyway just a suggestion not sure if its good or bad?

Again good video and format thanks!

Posted over 2 years ago

Curtlow

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Time Link to 00:19:36

The QJ hand. Dont you think there is more value in C/Ring the river than betting out. When you C/C the flop your range looks like a Q, T, or a draw like J9,KJ. On the K river you would never bet a T so when you do bet your hand looks like a Q, plus J9 hit a straight and KJ is now beating KT since the board is paired with Q's. But if you check your repping you have a T and he will value bet all his K hands which might call a C/R but if he's any kind of player this is a great bluffing card once you check since he would expect you to bet your better hands. So isn't there more value in letting him bluff all his air since he will prob v-bet all his K hands anyway. Hope this makes sence and villians call on river is bad imo since he can't beat anything you would v-bet on that river.

Posted over 2 years ago

QuadDeuces

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Steve
Re: Aggression%

What % on Flop/Turn/River would mean passive vs good vs overly aggro?

I'm guessing good Flop% = maybe 60% to 70%, Passive <50%, Overly aggro >80% WDYT?

But what about Turn and River %'s?

Posted over 2 years ago

allabout

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You mention a few times that you looked up players on PTR. I thought that was just 100NL and up. Can you find lower stakes somewhere that I'm just missing?

Posted over 2 years ago

baconmonster

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Time Link to 00:39:31

but how often are you going to get any call from a worse hand with four to a straight on the board if he does call your most likely chopping ? and if the diamond hits then you have to bet fold to a raise so easy fold

Posted over 2 years ago

CF23

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nice videos, great series so far.
more live action soon?! i actually prefer that but i see a lot of positives for review and replayer too obvioulsy.

Posted over 2 years ago

TecmoSuperBowl

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Just a heads up to anyone who likes this series. Go check out Deuces Cracked University! There are discussions and quizzes for this series in that thread!

Posted over 2 years ago

tubasteve

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Somehow the "Comment From Timeline" feature doesn't show up for me right now, so at time index 20:30 (the QJ hand) you say, that you might have lost some turn value. I don't think so. I think checking the turn is the best play (Once you're in there in the first place. Calling pre is questionable imo).

However, if we think about his bet flop/check back turn range I definitely think that we missed some river value here. If he calls $3.50 (14BB) he'll certainly call $4.75-$5 (19BB-20BB) with his TX range and given that the K often improved him to TP I'm even more inclined to bet big here. He'll fold all of his air regardless of our betsize. Also he's not gonna raise us often enough to make betting big inferior to betting small.

imo




all valid points good sir Smile

Posted over 2 years ago

tubasteve

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The QJ hand. Dont you think there is more value in C/Ring the river than betting out. When you C/C the flop your range looks like a Q, T, or a draw like J9,KJ. On the K river you would never bet a T so when you do bet your hand looks like a Q, plus J9 hit a straight and KJ is now beating KT since the board is paired with Q's. But if you check your repping you have a T and he will value bet all his K hands which might call a C/R but if he's any kind of player this is a great bluffing card once you check since he would expect you to bet your better hands. So isn't there more value in letting him bluff all his air since he will prob v-bet all his K hands anyway. Hope this makes sence and villians call on river is bad imo since he can't beat anything you would v-bet on that river.




he's a bit more likely to have Tx, and WAY more likely to check behind with it, so i like betting. i agree with sugar nuts comment that we should bet a little bigger though.

Posted over 2 years ago

NTS Blane

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Love this series and it will probably make me re-up my sub alone. But I have to say I prefer the live play sessions. You may be a bit more rushed but I prefer the stream of thoughts and you seem to get more hands covered. You may get to go more indepth this way but I'd rather not lose half the video covering 3 or 4 hands.

But once again, love the videos and just the kind of thing I was looking for from DC

Posted over 2 years ago

Collin Raise

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I love this series thanks tuba.

I agree with Icehockeyplyr, I really like the video review format. I'm not comfortable 4-tabling (yet) and so I miss alot of what the coach may be saying about a particular point. Granted, I can (and do) go back and watch the vids again to pick up what I missed, but I got a lot out of the in-depth analysis of the few hands you did discuss.

Also, could someone elaborate on how the MS Calculator is used to calculate what equity we need to call. I'm still getting my head around the maths behind poker and this was new to me. What formula is being used and how does it relate to pot odds, equity or EV?

Cheers!

Posted over 2 years ago

Collin Raise

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Actually after doing some more research, I see that we're using pot odds to calculate what equity we need sorry. So if I enter my pot odds, add 1, then push the 1/x on the calculator, that'll get my the equity % I need to call with? Can I ask why we add 1 and what the 1/x does to get us that number? I did poorly in high school maths obv so I appreciate any help I can get on this.

Posted over 2 years ago

tubasteve

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Actually after doing some more research, I see that we're using pot odds to calculate what equity we need sorry. So if I enter my pot odds, add 1, then push the 1/x on the calculator, that'll get my the equity % I need to call with? Can I ask why we add 1 and what the 1/x does to get us that number? I did poorly in high school maths obv so I appreciate any help I can get on this.




Pot odds is expressed as X:Y. To turn into a percent use the following forumla:

Y / X + Y = Equity

So if we have:
1:1, 1 / 1 + 1 = 50%
2:1, 1 / 1 + 2 = 33%
3:1, 1 / 1 + 3 = 25%

More difficult b/c they aren't denominated as "1":

3:2 , 2 / 2 + 3 = 40%
4:3 , 3 / 3 + 4 = 43%
15:6, 6 / 15+ 5 = 28.5% (facing a 2/3 pot bet in other words)

When calculating pot odds with a calculator you always divide so as to get it as X:1, so on the calculator you just add one (x+y where y=1) and flip it using the 1/x key (to get 1/x+y instead of x+y)

Posted over 2 years ago

Collin Raise

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Matti928

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At river when you talk about checkraising with QJo.. I think most of times when you get called he will show AJ, so i think donkbet 3.50 is better option.

Posted over 2 years ago

Matti928

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The QJ hand. Dont you think there is more value in C/Ring the river than betting out. When you C/C the flop your range looks like a Q, T, or a draw like J9,KJ. On the K river you would never bet a T so when you do bet your hand looks like a Q, plus J9 hit a straight and KJ is now beating KT since the board is paired with Q's. But if you check your repping you have a T and he will value bet all his K hands which might call a C/R but if he's any kind of player this is a great bluffing card once you check since he would expect you to bet your better hands. So isn't there more value in letting him bluff all his air since he will prob v-bet all his K hands anyway. Hope this makes sence and villians call on river is bad imo since he can't beat anything you would v-bet on that river.



Preflop call is ok. But I think C/C at river is much better option than C/R and donkbetting 3,50 is best option. After your river check he will bet most of the times with K, straight, but im pretty sure hes not calling Checkraise with anykind of 2pairs, so there is no value.
But he will call or shove with AJ, J9, QT and KK all of them makes sense. He could check the turn with turned fullhouse QT or take a freecard with J9/AJ. With KK he would prolly bet again at turn. Anyway checkraising the river is terrible, I quess. And im pretty sure you agree with me.

Posted over 2 years ago

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Time Link to 00:29:52

I think that this line is a good idea in theory. However, don't a lot of fish and looser players assume that a min-raise means absolute strength in smaller stakes NL?

So, if you are making this play for one reason, trying to induce a bluff for instance, your villains might be folding because they think that you are usuing a completely different line. I think it's too suspect Smile.

Posted over 2 years ago

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Just signed up to deucescracked and this is the first series I have watched. Really enjoying it so far and have already learned loads from you. Your insight into the maths part of the game has improved my own play a lot. Thanks very much for the hard work you clearly put into the videos.

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