Bart has a special treat this week as he reviews live footage from Live at the Bike, played at the Bicycle Casino.
Bart brings his live No-Limit hands from his play in LA's casinos.
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Nice vid again! However, as much as I appreciate the "making a live-vid effort" I dont think that the quality is good enough (hard to se betsizes, cards, delays and so on) to make it preferable to the previous format of your vids. Another thing, don´t you ever lose pots?
Would like to see you play a hand well and lose to someone "outplaying" you ![]()
You are doing a great job. Please keep up the good work.
I was wondering if you would share what you do about food; backpack with supplies, or casino food? Also, how long does a typical session last, and a bit about tipping etiquette would be great.
I was wondering if you would share what you do about food; backpack with supplies, or casino food? Also, how long does a typical session last, and a bit about tipping etiquette would be great.
+1
Great Vid, if you can would you comment on how many buy ins do you take to a live game. Also what considerations do you consider to rebuy . Last do you set a profit target for the day ?
I also agree that the previous format on the first videos are better ![]()
Time Link to 00:04:15
How would you change your betsizing on the turn here if you were going for value with a hand like TT or QQ? I played a similar live hand the other day against a weak-tight player. I had QQ on a 662 flop, turn was a Jack. I decided to bet pretty small on the turn and river because I knew his range was almost always 77-TT. Do you ever you use 1/2 pot size or even smaller bets in these situations?
Thanks again for the series. It's been great so far!
very creative/interesting, looking forward to watching this.
will this video/series deal with live tells?
Nice vid again! However, as much as I appreciate the "making a live-vid effort" I dont think that the quality is good enough (hard to se betsizes, cards, delays and so on) to make it preferable to the previous format of your vids. Another thing, don´t you ever lose pots?Would like to see you play a hand well and lose to someone "outplaying" you
I played terribly the very next episode. If people aren't too upset about the video quality I was planning on doing another video that was live action like this.
very creative/interesting, looking forward to watching this.
will this video/series deal with live tells?
I'll definitely try to mention something about them in at least one episode. I think live tells are vastly overrated however. You should be concentrating more on betting patterns.
I was wondering if you would share what you do about food; backpack with supplies, or casino food? Also, how long does a typical session last, and a bit about tipping etiquette would be great.
LOL, I really bring nothing to the casino but a fleece, some of the time. In LA the food situation is spectacular. The food is free and you can literally order anything that you want at the table. I heard a statistic that commerce serves more meals than any other place in the state of California with the exception of prisons. It is absolutely amazing how many people that they feed.
I used to bring a backpack when I was younger but now I really don't see the point. I have a box and a players bank so I don't need to store anything.
I rarely ever play over 8 hours, and ten hours if the game is really good on the weekends. I did a 30 hour session at Foxwoods once just to see how it would feel. I wanted to go jump off the top of the hotel when I was done. I don't like lack of sleep. It leads to me getting hot flashes and hallucinations.
In terms of tipping you really should keep it to $1 a pot at the most and maybe two or three for huge pots. When you see a guy tipping $10 or $20 a pot you know that he is not a professional.
Bart
great videos Bart! My absolute favorite series on DC yet!
Time Link to 00:23:06
I think what happened in this hand is something that i find happens with a lot of players with decent poker skills. This player knows who you are and that you are very good. I think he simply decided to take this line to outplay you. It seems to be a pattern I've noticed it my live experience is that players will try to bluff too much vs better players. Its almost like a mental thing where its like "I must prove that I can beat this guy". Considering how fast he was betting also tends to prove this concept.
On a side note about the hand. Would you tend to play KcKd the same way in this spot? What about AQ without a diamond? I think with AQo here I am confused on what would be the best turn play (assuming the flop c/c). Betting makes sense to protect vs the draws, however if our read is that he is bluffing or even value betting Ax, can we C/C both turn and river? even on Diamond rivers?
Time Link to 00:54:34
I think the sizing on this bet is on point. Based off previous hands and what I've seen, Denis is a type of player I encounter frequently that have difficulty playing a hand like AK or AQ when there is a lot of action to him. Rec players tend to flat AK or AQ a lot even raise reraise as opposed to pressing action. After your all in call and the money in the pot I feel he would have just shoved with a hand that had you beat, trying to win the 1k or so in it. If you bet too small on the flop, you risk any player there shoving over you. 500-700 to me is a good bet. I would have thought here I was good even if he pushed. I'd call expecting him to flip AK of diamonds or something similar. Short of him playing aces very sly here, I would think you have the best of it. I think he'd try to ice you out pre flop with JJ maybe 10 10. But that's my oppinion, and I'd like to see others.
Hey Bart very nice vid!
I have a question acout rake in live poker: How much rake do you pay at those games at the bicycle and what do you get for it? free food? What would you consider as too high of a rake to play in a 5/10 live cashgame?
Time Link to 00:47:53
If the river is a nonclub jack and he checks to you, are you value betting that (I feel like I definitely would)? What about the jack of clubs, if he checks to you (I think I would, but that's a lot closer)? The series is great, thanks a lot.
Time Link to 01:05:23
Hi
Great series, huge plus for DC against other Online Poker Schools.
You seemed very surprised with James play, but I believe most people never hear about the concept of folding the turn with the nuts (me included).
You learned this concept some place else or just reasoning it yourself?
This format of live play is much superior to the one of the first 3 episodes in my opinion.
Many thanks
Now I have a litlle math exercice for you Bart or any who want to do it.
Imagine 100bb stacks with no dead money for simplification reasons.
What is the break even point (in big blinds) for a river allin call to be profitable with a bare ace against the nut flush redraw?
Replayer is 100 times better. Thanks
opps never mind i see the cards now.
I was wondering if you would share what you do about food; backpack with supplies, or casino food? Also, how long does a typical session last, and a bit about tipping etiquette would be great.
I know you'd likely want to hear what Bart has to say. But we have a series for online players transitioning to live play: Dude, Where's My Mouse, that talks of casino tipping, etiquette, etc.
Time Link to 00:10:22
Being the last to act after villain bets this T33 flop is a very important factor too.
Bart-
First, I want to say thank you for the great series. This is some of the best material i've seen anywhere for live play in my opinion. I actually renewed my premium subscription just so I could continue watching this series.
I'm currently playing $1/2 live. Unfortunately, I'm not having much success and am down quite a bit over the last few months. Any suggestions on how to approach the lower limits when playing live? One of my key problems seems to be isolating the bad players at the table. The whole table will limp around to me in the CO, I make it $15-20 and 7 players call. Should you make your isolating range much tighter live as opposed to online play?
I know these are some pretty basic questions. Just wanted to hear your thoughts. Thanks in advance.
Hey bart what is a solid winrate at 5/10, 2/5, and 1/2 live?
What are top winrates at the same stakes?
Bart. I really love the video vs the replayer.. I can get more of a sense of the player types you talk about when I can actually see them and the metagame discussions like having a winning image and making certain plays vs not seem clearer to me. As a side note. I dropped my DC subscription when they cut the podcast in half but just renewed purely for this series which makes it worth it for me. Keep em coming!!
Hey bart, just wanted to say I enjoyed this video and the format. I think so long as you announce the bet sizes, pot size, and board texture, like you were doing, another video in this format would be most welcomed.
Bart,
This is really excellent stuff. Please do as many episodes as you possibly can showing you playing live. Yes, I see that it takes a bit more concentration to have an overview of the action but that's playing live poker! (Although I think it would help if you mention the effective stacks of the players in the hand since we cannot have a look on our own).
I have two suggestions that - in my opionion - would turn this excellent series in an almost perfect one (the first one is much more important than the second):
1.) Ideally, we would only see your cards while you play the hand. I don't know how good your relationship to the bike is, but maybe they are able and willing to give you a version where just your hand and the board (plus maybe the names of the players in the hand) are shown. If not, maybe they can just give you a plain version without showing any cards; you can edit the video adding your hand and the board into the vid. => This would really feel like playing in a team with you/putting us in your shoes.
2.) Somewhen during your series it would be great if you do not choose some sample hands you want to talk about but show your session hand by hand. I think its a good discussion which hands to fold and when even to open with any two in early position
As said, please continue to do these real life videos. That's the reason why I signed up. For all that prefer the replayer videos, there are plenty of good ones out there...
1.) Ideally, we would only see your cards while you play the hand. I don't know how good your relationship to the bike is, but maybe they are able and willing to give you a version where just your hand and the board (plus maybe the names of the players in the hand) are shown. If not, maybe they can just give you a plain version without showing any cards; you can edit the video adding your hand and the board into the vid. => This would really feel like playing in a team with you/putting us in your shoes.
This would require some series post-production on DCs part. The series with the LATB footage is actually quite production intensive as live videos are a completely different format and size. We were happy to get out what we can so far as we nearly had to cancel the idea.
2.) Somewhen during your series it would be great if you do not choose some sample hands you want to talk about but show your session hand by hand. I think its a good discussion which hands to fold and when even to open with any two in early position
When running dry, live poker is very slow. I'll let Bart handle this request but I'll have you know I have folded preflop for over two hours straight in live poker game, never seeing the flop. (it's live so 2hrs = ~60 hands in a limit game, less in a NL game!)
As said, please continue to do these real life videos. That's the reason why I signed up. For all that prefer the replayer videos, there are plenty of good ones out there...
Great feedback, we love to hear this. Thanks and please keep the feedback coming!
-Joe
This would require some series post-production on DCs part. The series with the LATB footage is actually quite production intensive as live videos are a completely different format and size. We were happy to get out what we can so far as we nearly had to cancel the idea.
When running dry, live poker is very slow. I'll let Bart handle this request but I'll have you know I have folded preflop for over two hours straight in live poker game, never seeing the flop. (it's live so 2hrs = ~60 hands in a limit game, less in a NL game!)
Great feedback, we love to hear this. Thanks and please keep the feedback coming!
-Joe
Joe's right, adding some post production graphics would be incredibly labor intensive. It actaully is quite the task to input hands into the live video replayer as well. I am doing the best that I can but each video is averaging between 3-5 hours of preparation before recording.
I do plan on doing one more live action video, however, and it is where I make a good amount of mistakes and I lose.
This would require some series post-production on DCs part. The series with the LATB footage is actually quite production intensive as live videos are a completely different format and size. We were happy to get out what we can so far as we nearly had to cancel the idea.
I see that. Well, let's go for a very simple aproach then. Let's assume you are able to get a clean version from LABT (which I don't know but if there is a good relationship to them this shouldn't be too complex). I still would love the very simple option that Bart is just saying what he has (as he does anyway). And he has to announce what is on the board (what he is doing anyway as well). When I play live, I do not look at the flop all the time as well; and when the flop/turn/river comes the camera is usually showing the board anyway. I understand that not showing hole cards and the board all the time, reduces the "high stakes poker feeling" - however, my view is, that it is about trainig. If I want to see good TV, I can go to YouTube. Maybe its worth just to try one time.
When running dry, live poker is very slow. I'll let Bart handle this request but I'll have you know I have folded preflop for over two hours straight in live poker game, never seeing the flop. (it's live so 2hrs = ~60 hands in a limit game, less in a NL game!)
Oh, I completely agree. I wouldn't show all hands Bart/we are not involved in entirely. Just go on a kind of fast forward or shift to the next hand, after Bart has folded. Again, if this is about training, we will need to fold quite a lot of hands - even if we are aggressive players.
Great feedback, we love to hear this. Thanks and please keep the feedback coming!
-Joe
Joe's right, adding some post production graphics would be incredibly labor intensive. It actaully is quite the task to input hands into the live video replayer as well. I am doing the best that I can but each video is averaging between 3-5 hours of preparation before recording.
I do plan on doing one more live action video, however, and it is where I make a good amount of mistakes and I lose.
I know. I read that in your post before. I tried to encourage you to do more. My feeling is, this type of video could be a real competitive advantage...
Btw: I assume you are still @WSOP. I wish you good luck and your A-Game all the time ![]()
I see that. Well, let's go for a very simple aproach then. Let's assume you are able to get a clean version from LABT (which I don't know but if there is a good relationship to them this shouldn't be too complex). I still would love the very simple option that Bart is just saying what he has (as he does anyway). And he has to announce what is on the board (what he is doing anyway as well). When I play live, I do not look at the flop all the time as well; and when the flop/turn/river comes the camera is usually showing the board anyway. I understand that not showing hole cards and the board all the time, reduces the "high stakes poker feeling" - however, my view is, that it is about trainig. If I want to see good TV, I can go to YouTube. Maybe its worth just to try one time.
We have the full production footage of the LATB episodes actually. The footage already includes the hole cards. We are not putting them in, the are in the original video that Bart has to produce his video over. There would be no good way to call out the opponents hole cards in DC production of the LATB video without ruining the quality of the overall video.
Why is there no iPod compatible version available? I like to watch on my iPhone at work.
I love the live action video. Seeing the other players makes the lessons more real for me. Thank you for all of your hard work.
Why is there no iPod compatible version available? I like to watch on my iPhone at work.
Ask and ye shall receive.
-Rusty
Time Link to 00:06:56
If the river was a less scarier card like T would you prefer over bet bluff instead of normal size bet? Or are the other players just looking at their hand too much and not thinking does it make any sense for you to take that kind of line?
I played terribly the very next episode. If people aren't too upset about the video quality I was planning on doing another video that was live action like this.
FWIW I liked the format
Great Vid, if you can would you comment on how many buy ins do you take to a live game. Also what considerations do you consider to rebuy . Last do you set a profit target for the day ?
Since I keep a box and players bank at the casino I don't really concern myself with how many buy ins I bring to the table. I usually set a 3k stop loss at 5-10 and 5k at 10-20. Sometimes I have broken that rule if the game is really good.
In 5-10 I always top off to the maximum which is $1500. In 10-20 it really depends on how deep the bad players are with consideration to my rebuys.
I think what happened in this hand is something that i find happens with a lot of players with decent poker skills. This player knows who you are and that you are very good. I think he simply decided to take this line to outplay you. It seems to be a pattern I've noticed it my live experience is that players will try to bluff too much vs better players. Its almost like a mental thing where its like "I must prove that I can beat this guy". Considering how fast he was betting also tends to prove this concept.
On a side note about the hand. Would you tend to play KcKd the same way in this spot? What about AQ without a diamond? I think with AQo here I am confused on what would be the best turn play (assuming the flop c/c). Betting makes sense to protect vs the draws, however if our read is that he is bluffing or even value betting Ax, can we C/C both turn and river? even on Diamond rivers?
I think that I would play KxKd the same way. Ax without a diamond is a very close decision on a fourth flush river. Live players have a super polarized river betting range so most won't bet less than the Qd or Kd. I lean towards a call if I'm bluff catching.
If the river is a nonclub jack and he checks to you, are you value betting that (I feel like I definitely would)? What about the jack of clubs, if he checks to you (I think I would, but that's a lot closer)? The series is great, thanks a lot.
I would probably bet a non club jack on the river and check back a club jack. It's not that I feel like I would be behind his range if a club jack came but I just don't think i'm going to get called my worse more than 50% of the time.
Hi
Great series, huge plus for DC against other Online Poker Schools.
You seemed very surprised with James play, but I believe most people never hear about the concept of folding the turn with the nuts (me included).
You learned this concept some place else or just reasoning it yourself?
This format of live play is much superior to the one of the first 3 episodes in my opinion.
Many thanks
See Cash Plays Samoleous episode.
Bart-
First, I want to say thank you for the great series. This is some of the best material i've seen anywhere for live play in my opinion. I actually renewed my premium subscription just so I could continue watching this series.
I'm currently playing $1/2 live. Unfortunately, I'm not having much success and am down quite a bit over the last few months. Any suggestions on how to approach the lower limits when playing live? One of my key problems seems to be isolating the bad players at the table. The whole table will limp around to me in the CO, I make it $15-20 and 7 players call. Should you make your isolating range much tighter live as opposed to online play?
I know these are some pretty basic questions. Just wanted to hear your thoughts. Thanks in advance.
I think in games like this with shallower stacks you should really tone down the iso raising and concentrating on bloating the pot up preflop for value.
If the river was a less scarier card like T would you prefer over bet bluff instead of normal size bet? Or are the other players just looking at their hand too much and not thinking does it make any sense for you to take that kind of line?
Against this type of player I wonder if I would even barrel a card like a ten. If I did, however, I think that an overbet type of play would probably add the most fold equity.
Definitely keep the live format going. Not even close. It's easier to watch, I can focus better. There are thousands and thousands of HH replayer videos, sooooo sick of them. Keep up with this, even if you don't have enough of your own footage, you can always just comment/analyze other peoples play. We know their hole cards anyway.
Good job Bart.
I find it hard to concentrate on dc vids when i am just looking at a pp or a hh. This kept me engaged and interested i love it!
Love the series Bart, it's a great addition to the site. Also thanks for the iPod compatible version.
I like the live video much better than the hand replayer.
I know you'd likely want to hear what Bart has to say. But we have a series for online players transitioning to live play: Dude, Where's My Mouse, that talks of casino tipping, etiquette, etc.
Joe, is there a Dude, Where's my Mouse for no limit? Will there be more live no limit videos given the current situation in the U.S.?
Joe, is there a Dude, Where's my Mouse for no limit? Will there be more live no limit videos given the current situation in the U.S.?
No there is not, and yes there will be!
I know you'd likely want to hear what Bart has to say. But we have a series for online players transitioning to live play: Dude, Where's My Mouse, that talks of casino tipping, etiquette, etc.
Thank you Sir. I had no idea what it would be like, but I asked because I remember my first experience playing little league. I did not know the rules, but the coach thought every kid was born knowing every rule written about baseball. Anyway, as a 9 year old playing with 10-12 year olds, things did not go smoothly. I bring it up because I would never want any child to go through the humiliation of some mongoloid dumping his short comings on a child, or a decent, intelligent adult not to be prepared for the current day version of homo-ignoramous at a live poker game. Either way, I'll check it out, and thanks.
You guys always do a great job of teaching and sharing. Please keep it up.
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Time Link to 00:07:23
Hi, can you please explain why he could not have A9 in this spot ?? I know small PPs are a part of his range, PF and OTF , But his snap call and check in the dark really looks like an A9/K9 suited type of hand. Also given the fact the he is passive , The Ace should not look like a good third card to barrel .
Time Link to 00:10:20
Wouldn't it make better sense to call the flop then raise the turn?
I mean if the guy's a reg, he would maybe not expect you to come out raising here with a 3 in your hand, as you would much more likely simply flat to allow him to fire again on the turn?
If I was raised by a good pro here and I had T7 I think I'd shove all day long, but if it happened on the turn after I bet my ten a second time (assuming the flush doesn't hit) I think it's a much more certain fold.
Every once in a while he'll have a three, but I think this raise line reaks of a bully/bluff which would be so much stronger later in the hand.
any thoughts on this?
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