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Yin and Yang: Episode Two

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Yin and Yang: Episode Two by inavacuum

Inavacuum and Snappievouz continue to discuss the Yin (ABC poker) and Yang (thinking outside the box) play at microstakes NLHE.

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Yin meets yang at microstakes NL. The majority of pros view micro play as extremely standard with no room for creativity. While true for the most part, not embracing nonstandard lines will leave profit on the table.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 68 minutes long
  • Posted about 3 years ago

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inavacuum

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It would certainly make it more of a shove than the spot in question.

Posted over 2 years ago

pbowenroe

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This line is certainly up for debate, to an extent. I can't advocate a fold when I see villain's bet sizing at micro being a bluff close to 100% of the time. Calling is problematic for a number of reasons, mainly because we seed the initiative with no knowledge of how often he is likely to continue a bluff and turn our hand somewhat face up. It's also probably not going to be profitable to call down if the board gets bad for us, yet again we have no idea as to his bluffing frequency. This in theory gives him the green light to push us off our range on certain turn/rivers. This leaves shoving and raising smaller, both of which have merit. I think I would prefer a smaller raise vs someone I had history with and could use it to allow them to level themselves. Vs a more unknown NL50 player who I think is bluffing or at least doing something because he doesn't understand my flop bet sizing I prefer shoving because I think it's the most likely line to induce a mistake from him - he may view a clickback as extremely strong.



I too am not really sure about this hand.

You said that you viewed villains betsizing on the flop as being a bluff 100% of the time, but then said that calling would be bad as we have no idea how often villain is going to continue bluffing.

Why is this a bad thing? If he doesn't continue bluffing then we will probably win the hand at showdown, or we could bet for thin value from Kx depending on how the board runs out. If he does keep bluffing then we can keep calling. If his range on the flop is always or almost always a bluff, then that range doesn't change by the turn and suddenly include value hands (unless the hand villain was bluffing with improved obv.)

For these reasons I dislike the shove on the flop as against a villain about whom we have little information I don't think we can expect them to call with worse and they're never folding better.

Posted over 2 years ago

pbowenroe

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inavacuum

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One more bump.



The problem with calling is that it allows him to play perfectly when we are OOP. Once we call on the flop he knows we have to have something, I don't think anyone floats in that spot with pure air. So it doesn't matter if he thinks we have a made hand or are drawing, he shouldn't make any bad bluffs from that point on, either freerolling the turn when we check, or getting value. I would much, much rather call IP.

Posted about 2 years ago

ihavefavor

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Time Link to 00:15:02

on the k25 board where the player flopped a set of 5s,how do you like the line he took,he bet out like 2/3 pot when prf raiser checked and there was a player on button left to act?i was thinking that the board is so dry that he should check it and hope either the button bets with something or tries to steal with air or maybe let opponents catch something on turn.I guess the upside of his bet is if anyone hit a king he's taking them for a ride and even a middle pair probably looks him up for a street or 2.Would you have played it differently in his spot?

Posted about 2 years ago

inavacuum

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Villain plays the hand fine. He's risking missing a bluff from the BTN but if he doesn't think the BTN will bluff or possibly more importantly, if PFR and BTN think he will bluff, his play is fine. He gets value from exactly the same ranges. It's important to also note that PFR usually has showdown value to open and not cbet this flop texture.

Posted about 2 years ago

UknowMe

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Time Link to 00:12:10

Hi guys nices series congratz!!!!
why Do u discount Kx without a FD from his range?? because of his betsizing at the river?
Villian is showing up at the SD with A9. I think this type of Player could easily take any K and decided to take the same line.
If this is the case Villian has more valuehands in his range, and maybe this isnt such a clear call.

Ok its the betsizing if he leads out 3/4 pot-pot u would fold?

Posted almost 2 years ago

inavacuum

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Hi guys nices series congratz!!!!
why Do u discount Kx without a FD from his range?? because of his betsizing at the river?
Villian is showing up at the SD with A9. I think this type of Player could easily take any K and decided to take the same line.
If this is the case Villian has more valuehands in his range, and maybe this isnt such a clear call.

Ok its the betsizing if he leads out 3/4 pot-pot u would fold?



You are right that if villain shows up with A9 he can show up with Kx, but that also means that we have to add every other combo of air into his range, which more than makes up for the times he has Kx.

Posted almost 2 years ago

UknowMe

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Time Link to 00:45:09

Hi Inavacuum,

damn your bluffingrange is really incedible wide^^. You have to be very sure about his 3b callingrange and that he is able to fold AT if its in.
But I like youre turnbet to get a bigger pot on the river.
But we neeed very very goods reads to do so

Posted almost 2 years ago

partyandy

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ugh this series is going to make me so spewy

Posted over 1 year ago

inavacuum

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ugh this series is going to make me so spewy



If you find yourself spewing, post a HH in the appropriate forum and PM me a link and we'll discuss.

Posted over 1 year ago

partyandy

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If you find yourself spewing, post a HH in the appropriate forum and PM me a link and we'll discuss.



Thanks. I might just do that. The problem I have is, even if someone's line doesn't make sense, I end up just leveling myself, because people at the micros DO do things that don't make sense, even the seemingly regular players. Then I end up looking back at a session and say to myself, 'well if i hadn't gone with my gut there when the reg minraised me on a wet board or i hadn't bluffcatched in that other hand and so on I would be x buyins better off', which has lead me to just stick to a very ABC gameplan when it comes to facing aggression or weird lines from non-maniacs. Obviously, I do hand read but I would never have the guts to shove A4o in that 3bet pot like you did, for instance. At most i would call and see if he's going to continue his aggression on the turn, or just fold OTF if i wasn't sure how likely he is to continue with a bluff. To me the most you could hope for if he calls your shove in that hand would be some kind of FD or pair + flush draw or FD + gutter or he's someone who's 'seeing where he's at' w/ AQ then decides to call the shove anyway coz he 'doesn't believe you'. To me most of what people do at the micros doesn't make sense so until I have some real solid read on someone I prefer to keep it simple. The highest I've played though is 25nl so... maybe it's a little different at 50nl between regs.. I do like the vids though I just think we need to be reminded that these kind of plays should be reserved for 'special occasions' when we have good reads on our villain(s) or the play they are making is so obviously *whatever* that we can go ahead with our non-standard line, but only then otherwise it just turns to spew. There have been tons of ABC play vids in regards to micros though and since the games are getting tougher, i can see what you're doing here.

cheers,

Andy

Posted over 1 year ago

Big_Mick00

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Can we have more episodes please, there wasnt many in the 2nd series.

Posted over 1 year ago

inavacuum

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If DC are amenable I will make some more in the new year.

Posted over 1 year ago

micko

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In 48:30 min mark with K9s in 3-bet pot. How would you play ace turn if you had hand like JJ-KK? Are you betting or check-calling?

Posted over 1 year ago




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