DJ Sensei
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Dan, A couple of Qs for you
On the AA3ss board, I understand your arguments for the line you took and love the sizing of your bet, but I wonder what you think about betting $40 on the flop instead of delaying it until the turn? Seems to me this would also would to get people to fold anything less than Ax
It's not bad. I definitely don't want to bet any more than that, lest I be committed to call a checkraise (we have ~25% equity against some hand like AK54 without a higher FD, so we need to make sure not to leave ourselves 3:1 or better to call a shove). Also, I'm not excited about getting check-called by a FD. We'll just be in such an awkward position on any turn card (river card too, for that matter) that I fear we'll get outplayed. Maybe he'll bluff us off a turned pair when we check back the turn?
I also don't expect to get bluffed too much here on the turn, so I think the delayed barrel works out OK. It is important that the board has AA and not some other pair, since people will be irrationally afraid of quads.
2nd Question. As played, If the river was a rainbow 5 giving you 34567, would you valuebet if checked to? What about if you made one of your flushes?
Yes to both, probably, although I'd be less psyched about a club flush. I doubt he'll slowplay all the way to the end with a boat like A3 or A4 since its vulnerable to higher aces, and he should probably be jamming for value if he rivers a boat. Most likely here is that he's bluffcatching with KK-JJ, or just has a draw/combo of his own and can't say no to a good price.
Great videos so far BTW. Digging em. Looking forward to finishing the series.
woop woop, lemme know what sort of stuff you'd like to see covered more/better.
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donkrx
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This is also pretty useful concept in NLHE. Not necessarily for the same reasons you mentioned here (you might just bet a vulnerable hand in NLHE), but there are definitely spots in NLHE where you put yourself in a really bad spot by betting and are able to check/call comfortably.
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MickeyAdams
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DJ Sensei
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Lets say flop is check check then comes the flush on the turn. We check and he bets..
Do we give up v that one or should go allin ?
I think I'd rather bet turn bet river if he checks back the flop and the flush comes in. We can still rep a flush (even a nut flush) that whiffed a flop c/r, but he won't have many of his own after he checks back the flop.
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evdice
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Hi DJ
Really great series you have created. I have just resigned up at DC so I am a bit behind your schedule.
I have difficulties putting people into the 2 boxes: LAG & Semi-fish
TAGs: how aggressive can I expect them to be, is there difference in their aggression depending if they are IP or OOP?
LAGs: You said some are Aggressiv post flop and some are not. I have difficult telling difference about the Passive-LAG and some Semi-fish (who sometimes float)?
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DJ Sensei
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Hi DJ
Really great series you have created. I have just resigned up at DC so I am a bit behind your schedule.
I have difficulties putting people into the 2 boxes: LAG & Semi-fish
TAGs: how aggressive can I expect them to be, is there difference in their aggression depending if they are IP or OOP?
LAGs: You said some are Aggressiv post flop and some are not. I have difficult telling difference about the Passive-LAG and some Semi-fish (who sometimes float)?
The main defining characteristic of a LAG is their preflop aggression. Namely, they openraise and 3bet much more than other players. A typical LAG will have VPIP/PFR/3bet in the range of 30/20/8 to 40/30/12. Some (I tend to call them 'maniacs' are also quite aggressive postflop. Others are more pragmatic, and don't overcommit postflop (especially multiway ones).
The 'semifish' type is loose-passive preflop (but not especially so). Something like 35/5 to 45/12. Usually they don't 3bet very often either. With these players it's much more important to pay attention to their postflop play. Some who are fishier tend to call down too much and don't get enough value from their strong hands. The better players of this type have a good balance of aggression, can read hands well, and aren't actually giving up too much postflop. Hence, "semi-fish"!
As far as TAG aggression goes, it really depends, but most are quite aggressive on all streets. They already have a pretty strong starting hand range because they're tight, and they know that aggression wins pots. Still though, pay attention to exactly how aggressive they are, and how they change based on position.
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OranRai
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DJ Sensei
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Hi,
How could you try to determine his range knowing his stats and that he raised from UTG and call your 3bet ? I think we have to take in account this and eliminate some hands.
Well if we had a large sample of his hands, and some spare time, we could just look at what hands he has raised UTG (and shown down, of course) and then take out all of the AAxx combos since he would 4bet those.
If we don't have a huge sample, we can just take his UTG raise % and find out what sort of hand range that corresponds to (again, without the AAxx's). It is tough to do that exactly because there isn't exactly a top-to-bottom list of PLO hand rankings, but at least when we're dealing with a strong/tight range the hands that will be in it are pretty much what you'd expect and skew towards high pairs/high rundowns.
Also, if we notice that his stats are pretty similar to our own, we can simply ask what hands we would raise in that spot and go from there.
The short answer though is that his range is mostly high pairs and high rundowns, with a smaller group of middle runs, double pairs, and the like. So he's somewhat likely to have a piece here, but it probably isn't a huge one.
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