Grindcore
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Table 5 with T9cc.
don't you prefer to cbet with your OESD ?
I'm the preflop caller
c/c is best because I'm probably not bluffing if I lead in the regs eyes so he won't continue with air, and if he cbets the fish can come along weak and I get better odds and more players to pay me off when I hit.
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Grindcore
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hi GC.
Table 6 with Q9... you said you discount flush from his range because he would possible bet bigger on river when he his river.But If he bet/shoving over your raise you will fold right? because now he can actually have a flush but bet on the smaller side to let you bluff or value/raise worse...
what do you think?
People don't bluff b3b like that and don't do it for value with worse. Snapfold. If he 3bets apparently his standard betsize is just small and it's not a sign of weakness when he does it.
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Grindcore
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Table 3 with J9cc.
We have only 8 hands from vilain so playing readless.
Our draw is not very good (gutshot on suited board)... With no reads i usualy would go for a raise, because its seems always harder for the vilain to play OOP when facing agression.
What are your thought process here? do you usualy prefer floating on this situation even if you don't know vilain frequencies?
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The only hands he double barrels are the hands that don't fold to a flop raise. Calling achieves the same goal as raising, only cheaper.
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I'm the preflop caller
c/c is best because I'm probably not bluffing if I lead in the regs eyes so he won't continue with air, and if he cbets the fish can come along weak and I get better odds and more players to pay me off when I hit.
ah ok! the video was to fast there are some spots that are hard to see well.
some people said they they like this format of the video, but i think i prefer it slow.
btw, great video. loved your play
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gravessen
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The only hands he double barrels are the hands that don't fold to a flop raise. Calling achieves the same goal as raising, only cheaper.
hummm... i understand what you say.
but there are always hands that can barrel turn, or makes nuts on turn, and would fold to a raise. imagine he is cbetting with 54cc. or 66 he would fold to a cbet raise but if turn his a 6c he makes trips or str8... on a card you will hit your backdor and probabably you will call his turn bet. and those hands would be hands he would fold to a raise on flop.
or for example he has air pure air we have no reads but he will always barrel blank turns. Again he would fold air to a cbet raise but now on a brick turn he will barrel and as we are readless we will fold.
So how do you measure if its better to raise or call?
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Yeah, this is generally my issue with post audio commentaries. There was some discussion about this in a previous video, but some people really wanted post video commentary. If I want to really focus on hands, I'd prefer to do a pure HH review video. If I want a video with good feel for the flow, I prefer a true live video. Keep giving some more feedback so I can decide whether the last video will be sped up or normal speed though (but it'll be post production commentary regardless).
If there's demand for it I can have DC put up the original video for this without commentary as well, and I'll just comment on questions people have.
pls do it on normal speed. as you say with gives us the opportunity so see the game fllow as well your note taking process... and also how you approach vilains ranges according with the reads you took.
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Grindcore
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hummm... i understand what you say.
but there are always hands that can barrel turn, or makes nuts on turn, and would fold to a raise. imagine he is cbetting with 54cc. or 66 he would fold to a cbet raise but if turn his a 6c he makes trips or str8... on a card you will hit your backdor and probabably you will call his turn bet. and those hands would be hands he would fold to a raise on flop.
or for example he has air pure air we have no reads but he will always barrel blank turns. Again he would fold air to a cbet raise but now on a brick turn he will barrel and as we are readless we will fold.
So how do you measure if its better to raise or call?
thanks
Those things working against me also work for me. I can hit my gutshot when he has a set if I flat flop. He can also pick up a draw when I make a hand. Sure there are some theoretical scenarios where you want to raise, but just because it's theoretically possible that he has air and fires 100% of turns doesn't mean the flop call is no good. I make the flop call against what I expect him to do on average, thus being correct most often this way in the long run. If you don't play against what you expect him to do on average, there'll also be a counter argument for every line. What if he 3bets 100% of raises with his air, for example.
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Those things working against me also work for me. I can hit my gutshot when he has a set if I flat flop. He can also pick up a draw when I make a hand. Sure there are some theoretical scenarios where you want to raise, but just because it's theoretically possible that he has air and fires 100% of turns doesn't mean the flop call is no good. I make the flop call against what I expect him to do on average, thus being correct most often this way in the long run. If you don't play against what you expect him to do on average, there'll also be a counter argument for every line. What if he 3bets 100% of raises with his air, for example.
yah i understand.
So my question is, what makes you decide between floating or raising cbets in a certain situation? type of board? or in general you always prefer more floating ?
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yah i understand.
So my question is, what makes you decide between floating or raising cbets in a certain situation? type of board? or in general you always prefer more floating ?
Depends on how my opponent is gonna play. And that's connected to pretty much everything, so there's no real clear answer. I consider both and go for the one that seems best. Here it seemed his folding range wouldn't 2barrel much anyway so I opted to call. Maybe post a HH here of a spot where you're not sure if you should raise or call (or fold for that matter) so you can get a more specific answer.
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Grindcore
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Hey Grindcore- if you could devise a routine for someone to improve their game, what would it be? How would you break down hrs vs study? What kind of hrs (# of tables, etc)? What kind of study?
In an ideal world: Don't play more than 4 tables, hire a coach, analyze key hands after sessions, preferably with (a) friend(s). How much time you need off tables entirely depends on how fast you figure stuff out. Everyone is different. But whatever you do, saturate yourself with poker. If you're not experiencing the Tetris Effect (wikipedia it), you're not putting in enough time if your goal is to improve.
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A suggestion for future videos: Could you say the table number/position always when you're talking about a hand. It's also easier to follow if you talk about the players with their name instead of fish or reg.
so instead of "Here I 3 bet the fish earlier" you could say "on table 3 I 3bet Bob earlier so now.."
This would make it so much easier for me to follow the vid. Just something to think about 
these vids are great and you explain your thought process well! Both formats are fine for me.
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"If you're not experiencing the Tetris Effect (wikipedia it), you're not putting in enough time if your goal is to improve."
Haha, that both kind of inspires me and kind of terrifies me. But respect Grindcore, I love listening to your approach to the game.
You really feel strongly about the 4 tables? I feel pretty good with 6. 8 is like all right, but kinda pushing it. Nanonoko does like 24. I can't even process that.
But yeah, love your videos. It feels like you play HU at 6 max.
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Grindcore
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"If you're not experiencing the Tetris Effect (wikipedia it), you're not putting in enough time if your goal is to improve."
Haha, that both kind of inspires me and kind of terrifies me. But respect Grindcore, I love listening to your approach to the game.
You really feel strongly about the 4 tables? I feel pretty good with 6. 8 is like all right, but kinda pushing it. Nanonoko does like 24. I can't even process that.
But yeah, love your videos. It feels like you play HU at 6 max.
The more time you have to think per hand, the more stuff you can think about. If you're fine playing 6 tables, there are likely things that you're not considering, or you'd be needing more time to think. Or you're just blessed like Nanonoko. For me 4 tables is best for A-game, though on average I think I play 5-6. It's pretty much consensus that you improve faster if you play fewer tables so if you're aspiring to move up, don't be stubborn and just drop to 4.
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