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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by Grindcore (Mid Stakes)

Time Link to 00:04:39

on table 1. If you know that he is 4bet bluffing then he would fold vs 5bet so why do you 5bet?

Enjoyed the vid. Loved the sexy calldowns ATo oop was niiiccceee!

on table 1. If you know that he is 4bet bluffing then he would fold vs 5bet so why do you 5bet?

I don't know he's 4b bluffing. I know he can be 4b bluffing. If he is, his bluffs will likely have blockers to premiums, or in other words, overcards to my hand. I'm also OOP postflop. If I had aces or so I might call, but KK- is definitely a shove here.

Time Link to 00:58:04

Why do you iso the fish with 94s on the button? Is that hand generally good enough to bluff them off hands?

Why do you iso the fish with 94s on the button? Is that hand generally good enough to bluff them off hands?

My assumption about unknown fish is that they play fit/fold after limp-calling, which makes isolating them very profitable. Just bluffing him off his air will be enough to justify the raise.

Time Link to 00:12:22

Table 1 -> ATo:
Here you are pretty happy about the rivercards for obv. reasons (decreases his valuerange + no Draws come in).
But aren`t you in such spots worrying about that it also will probably decrease the bluffing-freq. from a thinking REG drastically, on the river?

Table 1 -> ATo:
Here you are pretty happy about the rivercards for obv. reasons (decreases his valuerange + no Draws come in).
But aren`t you in such spots worrying about that it also will probably decrease the bluffing-freq. from a thinking REG drastically, on the river?

Sure. But go actually do the following:

1) Ask yourself what you think the weakest hand is he 3barrels from value, taking into account that aggressive players are often FPSy and check made hands at some frequency and also don't necessarily valuebet rivers thin.
2) Count the amount of value combos on the river.
3) Use pot odds to calculate how many bluffing combos he needs to have on the river in order for me to call.
4) Count how many combo's he's double barreling on the turn that aren't for value.
5) Calculate how frequently he has to bluff the river when he has air in order for me to call there.
6) Post results here because I'm too lazy to do the math and it's more educative to do it yourself

My assumption about unknown fish is that they play fit/fold after limp-calling, which makes isolating them very profitable. Just bluffing him off his air will be enough to justify the raise.

Is there any marginal hands you would ever consider limping behind here on the button vs unknown fish? (if blinds are also weak/passive or nits)
Or Would u always iso as standard until u find that they dont like folding post flop?

Sure. But go actually do the following:

1) Ask yourself what you think the weakest hand is he 3barrels from value, taking into account that aggressive players are often FPSy and check made hands at some frequency and also don't necessarily valuebet rivers thin.
2) Count the amount of value combos on the river.
3) Use pot odds to calculate how many bluffing combos he needs to have on the river in order for me to call.
4) Count how many combo's he's double barreling on the turn that aren't for value.
5) Calculate how frequently he has to bluff the river when he has air in order for me to call there.
6) Post results here because I'm too lazy to do the math and it's more educative to do it yourself

That is for sure very interesting and I am glad to do it with having the chance to get then some feedback from you on my analysis

1.) My assumptions:
-worst val.bettinghand would be for Villain A9.
- And for his tricky played madehands, I just have taken out 3 combos of his valuerange, namley the topset which he could checkback sometimes on the flop for example.
- also 77 shall checkback here on the flop (the board hits a pas. defendingrange pretty well....)

2.) I have used a combinatoric-tool for it and the result was that his valuerange be 119 combos (also considered cardremoval-effects).
His Valuerange would be:
AA,QQ-99,33,AKs,A9s,K2s+,AKo,A9o,K7o+

3.) Due to my calc, he would need regards our needed EQ of about 28 % (for a rivercall),
about 46 Bluffcombos on the river to make us allow to C/Call.

4.) my assumed doubleBarellrange for him regards to semibluffs on the turn would be:
(any FD+, OESDs, doublegutter, but no pure gutshots)
-> AdQd,AdJd,Ah8h,Ad6d,Ad5d,As5s,Ad4d,Ad2d,QdJd,QsJs,Qd8d,Qd6d,Qd5d,
Qd4d,Qd2d,Jd8d,Jd6d,Jd5d,Jd4d,Jd2d,T8s,86s,8d5d,8d4d,8d2d,6d5d,6d4d,
6d2d,5d4d ,5d2d,4d2d,3d2d,T8o,86o

-> 66 combos

5.) So he would need a bluffingfreq. of about 69,7% on the river.
(a little bit more b/c against his bluffingrange on the trun, you have "only" 96,5% EQ b/c obv 2 combos there,( namely AdQd, AdJd, ) have you beat.
But I thought that i cannot add these combos then 100% in his valuerange b/c maybe he will not "bluff" it to 100% on the river...
But this i anyways no big deal.

All right,
I definetely think that it already helped me personally to analyse it so far and though it takes some time, i will try it to make it in the future more often.

So yeah, looking forward to your feedback b/c i could imagine that you maybe are not agreeing with me 100% (maybe you would give him another valuerange or also another bluffrange on the turn....)

Is there any marginal hands you would ever consider limping behind here on the button vs unknown fish? (if blinds are also weak/passive or nits)
Or Would u always iso as standard until u find that they dont like folding post flop?

Any hand that's strong enough to limp is almost always also strong enough to raise. Limping turns your hand extremely face up to regs behind you. So yeah, if the blinds are passive nits, I might overlimp small suited connecters or baby pairs if the fish has a smaller stacksize, but in 99% of the spots I'm just raising.

That is for sure very interesting and I am glad to do it with having the chance to get then some feedback from you on my analysis

1.) My assumptions:
-worst val.bettinghand would be for Villain A9.
- And for his tricky played madehands, I just have taken out 3 combos of his valuerange, namley the topset which he could checkback sometimes on the flop for example.
- also 77 shall checkback here on the flop (the board hits a pas. defendingrange pretty well....)

2.) I have used a combinatoric-tool for it and the result was that his valuerange be 119 combos (also considered cardremoval-effects).
His Valuerange would be:
AA,QQ-99,33,AKs,A9s,K2s+,AKo,A9o,K7o+

3.) Due to my calc, he would need regards our needed EQ of about 28 % (for a rivercall),
about 46 Bluffcombos on the river to make us allow to C/Call.

4.) my assumed doubleBarellrange for him regards to semibluffs on the turn would be:
(any FD+, OESDs, doublegutter, but no pure gutshots)
-> AdQd,AdJd,Ah8h,Ad6d,Ad5d,As5s,Ad4d,Ad2d,QdJd,QsJs,Qd8d,Qd6d,Qd5d,
Qd4d,Qd2d,Jd8d,Jd6d,Jd5d,Jd4d,Jd2d,T8s,86s,8d5d,8d4d,8d2d,6d5d,6d4d,
6d2d,5d4d ,5d2d,4d2d,3d2d,T8o,86o

-> 66 combos

5.) So he would need a bluffingfreq. of about 69,7% on the river.
(a little bit more b/c against his bluffingrange on the trun, you have "only" 96,5% EQ b/c obv 2 combos there,( namely AdQd, AdJd, ) have you beat.
But I thought that i cannot add these combos then 100% in his valuerange b/c maybe he will not "bluff" it to 100% on the river...
But this i anyways no big deal.

All right,
I definetely think that it already helped me personally to analyse it so far and though it takes some time, i will try it to make it in the future more often.

So yeah, looking forward to your feedback b/c i could imagine that you maybe are not agreeing with me 100% (maybe you would give him another valuerange or also another bluffrange on the turn....)

The math is good, just the range you put him on is extremely off imo. Do you seriously think he 3barrels A9 for value 100% of the time? I'd say there's only a 50% chance he even cbets it to begin with. Then another 50%, probably less, that he double barrels it and maybe a 10% that he triple barrels it on the river. I'd also bet money on most regs, LAG or not, not even vbetting KTo 100% of the time on the river, and also checking it on the flop or turn at some frequency. And if you think he 3barrels AQdd then add it to his valuerange (even though he's bluffing, for the math of the call it should be considered a value bet). And did you also take our ATo blockers into account for combination counting? Though they actually work in his favor as they block more bluffs than value bets...

The math is good, just the range you put him on is extremely off imo. Do you seriously think he 3barrels A9 for value 100% of the time? I'd say there's only a 50% chance he even cbets it to begin with. Then another 50%, probably less, that he double barrels it and maybe a 10% that he triple barrels it on the river. I'd also bet money on most regs, LAG or not, not even vbetting KTo 100% of the time on the river, and also checking it on the flop or turn at some frequency. And if you think he 3barrels AQdd then add it to his valuerange (even though he's bluffing, for the math of the call it should be considered a value bet). And did you also take our ATo blockers into account for combination counting? Though they actually work in his favor as they block more bluffs than value bets...

yeah, when I think about it again, then my valuerange for him is in fact way too large.
Also I just missed in the heat, that I would have of course just add AdJd, AdQd in his valuerange if i would assume he is 3barelling it....

@you question regards to the combinatoric:
Yes, our whole cards have been also considered.


Anyways,
I have just played a little bit with giving him some tighter valueranges and in fact, then his bluffingfreq. on the river can be significantly lower.
Rly helpful to analyze such spots in such a manner using your recommended steps - thx for the input

How low specifically? I'd estimate something like 25% during the hand.

How low specifically? I'd estimate something like 25% during the hand.

When I give him for example as his Valuerange TP with T-Kicker or better + AdQd, AdJd only and then the mentioned bluffrange,
then his Bluffingfreq. on the river should be at least 43,6%.

I have here assumed that he checksback all the worse TPs on the flop or does not 2ndbarell it and to count an occasionally worse madehand which 3barelled , I have given him all the KT-combos....

Yeah that seems more realistic. I'd assume he checks back KT or KJ on one street at some frequency so my numbers would be a bit lower, but I'd estimate him to be bluffing his air there maybe 50% of the time or so, as the river is a brick, but he also seems very aggro. But what I think his range is is a result of handreading, which you'll get better at over time. Understanding the actual thought process and being able to apply it yourself at the tables is way more important, as handreading is useless if you don't know what to do with it.