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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by livebikebart (High Stakes)

Great video.
I am a live 5/10 player as well, but not in LA .

In the first hand, the over limp with the 22, is interesting. If 22 is a limp, what hands would you be raising in that spot? Would you open raise 22?

Although I agree that raising in that spot purely to isolate is probably a mistake, we have other reasons to raise other than just purely for isolation. If the two shorter stacks were closer to the 50bb range would you then be leaning a bit more towards a raise?

I wonder how we could calculate the benefits of isolating and c-betting the flop versus the implied odds of hitting a set and winning a big pot.

What would you say your default VPiP PFR and 3B (i.e. when you first sit down in a game)?

Also, if you have an Android phone, you could use the application I'm working on to help you track hands. Although I don't have a feature built in yet to export the hands in a universal format you can record the basic action of the hands and view them in an HTML format. Plus a bunch of other stuff.
Check it out at
http://nuancesys.trickel.com

It's currently in beta and free, but it will cost money in the future.

Looking forward to the rest of the series.

I really lean towards not iso raising with small pocket pairs. I understand that if they limp call and miss we can make a profit--but really I have no problem building a pot up post flop and I steal a lot of limp pots or fire multiple barrels when checked to me.

In terms of my stats--I play a lot of hands. I'm probably 28/20/5

Great first video Bart. I second the Limon suggestion. In one hand you mentioned he was at the table and I also saw citizen James. I instantly thought that a commentary on a hand that you were involved in with those players (either multiway or heads up) might actually be pretty interesting from multiple view points given your different approaches to live poker and how well you interact with them on the podcast... for entertainment value maybe even the sober and drunk version

Seriously though I did have a question about your set mining requirements.

In Professional No Limit Holdem they suggest that you should be able to win at least 12X the raise when purely set mining. Which implies not only the villains stack size but also their range and their willingness to stack off in various situations. Harrington in HOC suggests a huge 25X for set mining. Frequently in Low Stakes 100bb or 150bb capped games where standard opens are 6-8bbs or more you often cannot get 25X and many times barely 12x which means you either would be dumping a lot of PPs or must play them other than for set value which can be difficult in the "no-foldem" low stakes games.

I had seen an extensive analysis of online data that suggested somewhere in the range between 11 and 12. You frequently cite 10X which is much more achievable than Harrington and often right on the margins in these lowstakes games. But is this really enough to make pure set mining profitable?

There has been some raging debate in the LLSNL forums at 2+2 about this subject and I would like to hear your views a bit further.

Thanks again and looking forward to the next video.

It may be slightly higher than ten times I just find that that that is a really easy number for people to evaluate versus raise size. I think an equally important number is 20x for suited connectors, 25x for gap suited connectors and like 30 for 2 gap suited connectors.

Hey Bart, just thought of some more material for your series, and some stuff not frequently covered in those twoplustwo live forums. I think you could make a whole episode just on c-betting, and various flop textures and barrels. For example, it can get tricky with A23 rainbow against some opponents peeling with 7's, when we're not sure if they have an Ace, and whether we should triple barrel, or make a delayed c-bet. Would like to see your c-bets, sizing, barrels, delayed c-bets, and other stuff
Awesome first episode by the way!

Good idea. I'll definitely incorporate some cbet texture and delayed cbet/multiple barrel situations in a future video.

31:30 do u think there is value in checking the flop?

AA on 772 4 ways---I think that there is too much value in checking through here especially with my laggy image. I want to start building a bit of a pot now so scare cards won't come on later streets and opponents won't feel that the pot is too small to fight for.

55:00 what do you do if he bets the turn? do u bluff-raise or just fold?

I would never bluff raise after get led into here on the turn. This bet would almost always represent a big pocket pair with a heart and once that amount of money is committed by villain I think he is never folding to a raise.

This is pretty interesting. I definitely agree and see where you're coming from with this limp giving table dynamics. I'm just curious to what you think about how the different variables affect these sort of decisions.

The games I've been playing in have a max BI of 100bb. What would be the bottom of your over-limping range 100bb deep in the same sort of situation? What about MP? Along the same lines, what would be the bottom of your raising range?

I assume we prefer stuff like big suited cards before SCs because they have the ability to flop, and stack, bigger flushes?

I over limp with a lot of hands, but, see the J2dd hand, I will fight for and bluff in limped pots. If you are talking strictly for value I think that people can over limp a lot more than they actually do. Hands like 76os, 8Tos, all have value if you can properly build a pot up and get paid post flop. Most live players slowplay way too much in limped pots and have no idea how to extract max value vs second best hands. I won a $500 limped pot with J8s the other day on an 84425 knowing that the guy had a weaker 8. People don't properly put their opponents on hand ranges and do not bet anywhere near enough for value on the river.
I find myself in these spots a lot (every hand?) and it's something that just hasn't came up online, obviously. I can totally get behind over-limping a lot of hands in LP, but I have trouble seeing the profit source by limping SCs and stuff in EP/MP, unless the limper is really bad. I could totally be wrong though and would love to hear your thoughts.

I understand that we have good equity with the K5s, but you've pegged the initial bettor as a "passive" type -- therefore I'd expect him to have a hand with some kind of strength. Sure, you're essentially coin flipping with sets and two-pair type hands.

However, is there another reason for the flop raise? Does flat-calling give away your hand as a draw? Is it because your stacks are so deep that you need raise just to build a much bigger pot?

You hit the turn obv, but would you bet unimproved on the turn to try to knock him off a medium pair?

You must raise the flop here to build a pot with a hand that draws so strongly to the nuts. The hand was limped so the SPR is super high. The turn play really depends on what cards come out--if a JQKos fall i'd probably bet. It would be close whether or not I would bet the one liners and I would definitely check back all board pairing cards.

Did the forums eat your response to my quoted text?

Edit: Nope, I just having reading comprehension problems apparently. My bad

Very good video and most helpful as I am just starting from the bottom live again while coming from a mostly mixed online background. I am wondering if you can discuss some limping/opening/3betting/overlimping ranges from different opponents. I would have to say that I feel I am learning somewhat, but I have also lost a couple decent sized pots to old guys open-limping AA and then noticing them start to get aggressive after the flop. Both times something definitely felt wrong with my tptk type hand, but I really had a hard time putting them on a legit hand. I guess that would lead to another possible discussion of when different opponents' bets are scary or not which you did touch on already in certain spots. ie sizing, c/ring, etc...

Most of all, good work as expected from listening to your podcasts over the past few years!

Excellent video. Can't wait for the rest of the series. Totally agree with the suggestion of adding Limon into one of the episodes. He has so much wisdom to offer. The two of you are a great team.

Would you further explain the thinking behind using a white chip so that your opponents can more easily see the size of the pot. I remember you talking about that concept in one of your podcasts and I didn't really understand why making the pot easy for your opponent to calculate works in your favor. Is it because they can more easily calculate their pot odds and the bigger the pot the harder it is for them to get away from their hand?

Would you further explain the thinking behind using a white chip so that your opponents can more easily see the size of the pot. I remember you talking about that concept in one of your podcasts and I didn't really understand why making the pot easy for your opponent to calculate works in your favor. Is it because they can more easily calculate their pot odds and the bigger the pot the harder it is for them to get away from their hand?

Bart, Would you ever avoid using white chips when bluffing?

Excellent video. Can't wait for the rest of the series. Totally agree with the suggestion of adding Limon into one of the episodes. He has so much wisdom to offer. The two of you are a great team.

Would you further explain the thinking behind using a white chip so that your opponents can more easily see the size of the pot. I remember you talking about that concept in one of your podcasts and I didn't really understand why making the pot easy for your opponent to calculate works in your favor. Is it because they can more easily calculate their pot odds and the bigger the pot the harder it is for them to get away from their hand?

Yes that is exactly it. If there are 7 white chips in the pot I can bet 5 or $600 and get called. If the pot is just a massive clump of yellow recreational players have no clue what the pot size is and don't know that I am actually betting under the pot.

Bart, Would you ever avoid using white chips when bluffing?

Absolutely. I do that all the time. I also put $5 chips into the pot what I am calling with a medium strength hand that may not be good or I am bluff catching. This leads my opponent to smaller bets on later streets.

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Hey Bart, I love the podcast and am excited about this video series. You mention in this hand a concept which I've heard you bring up a lot on the podcast: that you should have raised more so the pot would be bigger and you can make a pot-sized shove on the river. But you also often say that live players don't understand the size of the pot. Now, I understand that you have put white chips in for your bets to help your opponent understand the pot size, but you also said he's been putting in yellows, and I'd imagine that this pot still has that ridiculous cluster effect you talk about despite your best efforts. Also, when you get to the river, I feel like- assuming it's not a giant overbet- people are more analyzing whether to call the concept of an all-in bet rather than a 2000 chip bet that happens to put you all in. In other words, they're thinking, "Oh he has an all in hand" not "He has a 2095 dollar hand." I don't know if that last thought made sense, but my base point is still, would not betting those extra 200 dollars on the turn really stop you from going all in on the river? I can think of a handful of other reasons why your bet sizing should be bigger on the turn, but I am just curious if live players don't get pot size why you give yourself the extra restriction of making your bets constrained by the size of the pot?

I really lean towards not iso raising with small pocket pairs. I understand that if they limp call and miss we can make a profit--but really I have no problem building a pot up post flop and I steal a lot of limp pots or fire multiple barrels when checked to me.

In terms of my stats--I play a lot of hands. I'm probably 28/20/5

Bart I would definitely like to see a 3-bet part of the series as well. 5 percent would mean you're averaging 3-betting every other round at a 10-handed game, however, I believe you've often advocated not overplaying AK pre in live?