September 24, 2010
Some more spots: Playing deep, passive lines
So, i have been playing again today, i think i played very well, though some spots didnt feel great. Lets get to it:
Full Tilt Poker $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 945175
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SB: $141.50
Hero (BB): $143.65
UTG: $100.00
MP: $362.60
CO: $116.55
BTN: $102.00
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with A
4
1 fold, MP raises to $3, 1 fold, BTN calls $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $2
Flop: ($9.50) J
2
6
(3 players)
Hero bets $7.00, MP folds, BTN calls $7
Turn: ($23.50) 3
(2 players)
Hero bets $14.00, BTN calls $14
River: ($51.50) 2
(2 players)
Hero bets $119.65
Final Pot: $51.50
This spot i think might be screwed up by many players, regarding the riverbetsize. Once he calls the turn, he either has a J, a flush or a boat. He was a fishy player, so id usually expect him to pay me off there, if i find the right betsize. Now, usually when i have a very strong hand on the river and want to determine my betsize, i think about two thing:
1) Is he in bluffcatch-mode?
2) Do i wanna get raised?
So, in this hand he obviously is in bluffcatch-mode. About any hand apart from very good flushs and full houses are pure bluff-catchers by the river.Â
Secondly, he will rarely raise me, and if he does, im usually beat. So how do i get the most value? Is he ever folding a flush? No. Is he folding top pair? Well, if he wants to catch me bluffing he might call any amount with that, if he has the feeling im strong, he might call like 1/3 pot, but then i lose so much value against his stronger hands, + He needs to pay off my overbet about 4x less often with top pair than the small bet. So i overbet.
Full Tilt Poker $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 945181
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UTG: $43.55
Hero (MP): $205.45
CO: $114.60
BTN: $212.95
SB: $100.50
BB: $143.50
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP with A
K
1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, BTN calls $3, 2 folds
Flop: ($7.50) J
A
3
(2 players)
Hero bets $5.00, BTN calls $5
Turn: ($17.50) 7
(2 players)
Hero bets $12.00, BTN calls $12
River: ($41.50) 4
(2 players)
Hero bets $31.00
Final Pot: $41.50
This hand is very much like the first one. I have a very strong hand. This time, i dont care wether i get raised or not (if he does raise, its an easy fold). So i want to get as much value as possible. From which hands? Ax, Jx. Whats the betsize? Now, this time i dont wanna make it too big. I wanna make it big enough so that hes gonna assume my range is more polarized than it actually is, but not bigger than hes willing to pay with one pair. I think like 31-36 might fit into that category against a loose reg.
Full Tilt Poker $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 945187
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SB: $91.00
BB: $326.00
Hero (UTG): $127.80
MP: $100.00
CO: $100.00
BTN: $104.15
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with T
A
Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, BTN calls $3.50, 2 folds
Flop: ($8.50) 2
6
J
(2 players)
Hero bets $5.00, BTN calls $5
Turn: ($18.50) 4
(2 players)
Hero bets $12.00, BTN calls $12
River: ($42.50) 9
(2 players)
Hero bets $29.00
Final Pot: $42.50
This hand is a little different. So, i got the nuts on the river. Back to our two questions:
Well, we dont know wether hes in bluffcatch mode. He can have a bunch of draws, some very weak made hands, some top pairs, some flushs. So, if i overbet here, i might get his top pair hands to pay me off, but i risk him not raising his flushs and never bluffraising. So, as i want to get max value from his entire range i think in this spot a normally sized bet is gonna be best.
Full Tilt Poker $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 945190
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SB: $100.00
Hero (BB): $163.60
UTG: $100.00
MP: $108.80
CO: $130.85
BTN: $163.10
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with A
T
3 folds, BTN raises to $3.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $11, BTN calls $7.50
Flop: ($22.50) J
K
Q
(2 players)
Hero bets $11.00, BTN raises to $28, Hero calls $17
Turn: ($78.50) 7
(2 players)
Hero bets $29.00
Final Pot: $78.50
So, this is also a nice spot. I flop the nuts, he raises, no real draws out there. Were deep. I dont think i should 3bet this flop. Again i wanna get max value from his entire range. So i call his flop3bet, and then i lead out the turn. Thats strange. Well, i lead 30 into 80, so its veeery cheap. We have about 100 left to play. I think this bet achieves several things:
1) It might make him raise two pair, AA.
2) It might make him call with a veeeery wide range, like Tx, Ax.
3) I can do this with a very wide range, with hands like T8s, A9s, TT, AK, AA (all bet/folding), JJ,QQ,KK,AT (bet/calling).Â
Also, i would expect him to check behind this turn with many hands, so while i obviously dont allow him to continue with his bluffs (but i dont expect him to bluffraise like 68s here and fire away on the turn, and if he picked up a flushdraw, he can still call/raise) I still think i get max value from his entire range by playing this line, + giving myself the opportunity to bluff cheaply and vbet some weakish hands.
Full Tilt Poker $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 945199
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Hero (UTG): $106.00
MP: $238.00
CO: $112.40
BTN: $201.50
SB: $103.50
BB: $148.90
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with 5
4
Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, BTN calls $3.50, 2 folds
Flop: ($8.50) 9
A
7
(2 players)
Hero bets $5.00, BTN calls $5
Turn: ($18.50) 2
(2 players)
Hero bets $12.00, BTN raises to $27, Hero raises to $49, BTN calls $22
River: ($116.50) 8
(2 players)
Hero bets $48.50
Final Pot: $116.50
This villain was very aggro, raising many flops and turns. Whereas my standard play is to call his turnraise and c/f the river unimproved (or lead out if i hit), against him i figured i can 3bet the turn and shove any river profitably, as i put some draws and weak made hands in his range. The riverbet obv is pretty small, but i think it should fold out some better wiffed draws and some weak pairs.
Full Tilt Poker $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 945201
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CO: $105.00
BTN: $114.25
Hero (SB): $157.95
BB: $125.00
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with K
J
2 folds, Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2
Flop: ($6.00) Q
4
2
(2 players)
Hero bets $4.00, BB raises to $12, Hero calls $8
Turn: ($30.00) 5
(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $22.00, Hero raises to $57
Final Pot: $74.00
This guy was raising an insane amount of cbets as well, but i didnt feel like against his range i can 3bet the flop, cause it allows him to call with sooo many hands. So i went for call and c/r turn. I think im repping some very strong hands here, but as were a little deep i guess i would play many flushs, sets this way. I think this line guarantees me the most amount of FE while taking away the opportunity to call me very light at all.
Full Tilt Poker $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 945204
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BTN: $122.00
Hero (SB): $241.30
BB: $112.45
UTG: $355.60
CO: $209.20
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with A
K
UTG raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero raises to $12, 1 fold, UTG calls $9
Flop: ($25.00) 5
2
4
(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $15.00, Hero calls $15
Turn: ($55.00) 4
(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $30.00, Hero calls $30
River: ($115.00) 2
(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $75.00, Hero folds
Final Pot: $115.00
So, this hand is strange. Were deep, i 3bet (i dont actually like the 3bet much, oop vs a nitty UTG-open), he likes to call 3bets. On this board i have a problem. I can bet and rep a big pair, but if i get raised (and his range is full of 22,44,55,45s,56s) i lose a decent amount of equity, and if i get called i cannot barrel off profitably (he has some very strong hands in his range, like TT+,66). As were deep i think he should expect people to play a little more cautiously (cause most regs do), so i thought by c/c down i realize my equity + rep a big pair reasonably well. The river he doesnt rep a lot, but as i think his range is pretty strong on that board in general and i dont see many bluffs in his range (He should expect me to call the river there a decent amount of the time) i just folded.
Thats it for today, i wonder wether im giving away too much information by posting these hand and talking them through in such detail, but on the other hand i might be so very wrong, so take care.
Edit: One more hand, without any explanation:
Full Tilt Poker $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 945213
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SB: $122.50
Hero (BB): $181.30
UTG: $115.45
CO: $409.10
BTN: $100.00
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with T
T
1 fold, CO raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $2
Flop: ($6.50) Q
5
2
(2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks
Turn: ($6.50) A
(2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks
River: ($6.50) T
(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $6.00, Hero raises to $23, CO raises to $75, Hero folds
Final Pot: $52.50

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