## Why HEM EV isnt 100% "correct"

I was feeling like crap when I was running like shit (under EV @ HEM)

Theses days, im feeling a little bit guilty to run ABOVE EV @ HEM

BUT, here the proof its somewhat rigged. When you play, you play vs a range, right ? HEM doesnt really seem to see it that way. JMO

According to HEM, with 93,1% Equity, its Minus EV to get it in (- 16,73\$ ! )

IPoker Network \$200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players - View hand 1516559
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BB: \$121.40
Hero (BTN/SB): \$253.70

Pre Flop: (\$3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with Q T
Hero raises to \$6, BB raises to \$10, Hero calls \$4

Flop: (\$20.00) 9 J 8(2 players)
BB bets \$10.00, Hero raises to \$30, BB raises to \$50, Hero raises to \$243.70, BB calls \$61.40 all in

Turn: (\$242.80) K(2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (\$242.80) A(2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: \$242.80
BB shows A J
Hero wins \$241.80
(Rake: \$1.00)

### duffte posted on November 13, 2011 at 23:07 PM

its not -ev, you won 17 more than your equity was

### Squishee posted on November 13, 2011 at 23:39 PM

Im not sure I understand what you are trying to say duffte. Are we arguing in the same way ?

Lets do the math (bare with me, I dont do them normally)

To be honest, Im not sure where to start !

Anyway, I think we agree its not supposed to be minus EV, altought HEM say it is.

### rapeface2k posted on November 14, 2011 at 01:17 AM

You have 93.1% eq. Your opponent have 6.9%, and this is the EVmoney that HEM says you are not expected to win.

### mitch posted on November 14, 2011 at 03:10 AM

Yeah Hem isn't saying it's -EV to get it in, it's saying when you win (+\$120) you ran \$17 over EV... because getting it has an EV of \$103 or something.

### CivSTAR posted on November 14, 2011 at 11:31 AM

pot: 242,80
eq: 93,1
your share (x) = pot * eq = 226,05
EVmoney = x - pot = 226,05 - 242,8 = -16,75 (~16,73)

So you have won 16,73 more then you should have won

The important point is the EQ. If >50% then +ev, but even if EQ <50% your play can be +ev given FE vs the range of your opponent.

### Squishee posted on November 14, 2011 at 17:57 PM

Ahhh ! There you go !

Got it, Thank to all, pretty simple.

So this \$EV is not reflecting the actual EV or the move.

Also it doesnt really take into account the dynamic, etc

### CivSTAR posted on November 14, 2011 at 20:17 PM

http://www.deucescracked.com/blogs/civstar/78351-aiev-and-a-interesting-hand

doesn't really shows everything in detail, but I think you can get some out of it and how to interpret the \$ev