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Ghost: NoahSD (#1) - 4-tabling 400NL by NoahSD

NoahSD takes a break from the rewind series to give you his first ghost video. He plays 4-tables of 400NL and discusses his game, adjustments, and all the little things we come to expect from our DeucesCracked Coaches.

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Comments for Ghost: NoahSD (#1) - 4-tabling 400NL

Justice88

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Time Link to 00:23:35

Theoretically, when you're in the blinds against a button who is opening a ton and who is more laggy in general, what are your thoughts on hands like smaller SC's and PP's (66-99) in terms of 3betting if you know the other blind is fairly tight or loose? Obv if BTN is only calling Broadways and PP's were not in good shape, but without much history how do you like to procees here?

thx for another great video sir, always entertaining and solid.

Posted almost 3 years ago

Sugar Nut

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Time Link to 00:02:27

Would it not make more sense to just flat here with AQ vs a guy that folds a lot? I have the video paused so I don't know his response yet, but I assume you will fold vs a 4bet? If not (and you have good reasons for it) 3betting is obviously fine, but in a way you're bluffing here with AQ, no?

I understand that you want to take the initiative being OOP and all that, but our hand should play well even OOP in a single raised pot vs an isolate-limper-range.

do you think he's getting frustrated with your constant 3betting and expect him to call or 4bet worse? If so, and that is your read, then 3betting is fine I guess.

Posted almost 3 years ago

Ulkis

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I did like some comments about 3bet pots, definately some balugawhalism there as SC's being no-no and top pairs ie equity locks being the nuts---then before that I saw Noah 3betting a low SC IIRC, so I am a bit confused, but need to watch it a second time to be sure what was going on so pls don't quote me on that.

Also looked to me - correct me if I am wrong - that the 3betting range from the blinds was quite depolarized, KT, ie high cards for sure but stuff in the middle nevertheless. Just an observation. So 3betting for value against weaker ranges and expanding what the vbet range means ie high cards coming down in value, I am thinking about AT, QJ etc here.

Yeah will definately watch a couple of more times and make better notes - very nice video indeed.

Edit: the fuck words are totally unnecessary imo.

Posted almost 3 years ago

actionjacson

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Hey NSD great video and it was nice that you cut down on the un necesary swearing a little because your a better video producer than that, with regards to the three betting disscussion do you think that most of those borderline hands play profitably as a call oop (K J, K 10, Q J type hands) because like you were saying in the video people were folding ( so maybe you were three betting these hands because you expected people to call more with dominated hands? )to a ton of your three bets and theoretically we could have uno cards and three bet those and called with those type of hands we were three betting and we able to play more hands profitably vrs the worse regs? also does your strategy change when you get deeper? what are your thoughts on this?

Posted almost 3 years ago

peten2toms

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Time Link to 00:05:39

In regards to this spot how would you react to a check shove if you in fact had JJ+?

Posted almost 3 years ago

Sugar Nut

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Noah,

great video as always. One general question:

Offsuit connectors: Could you elaborate a bit about WHY you play them looser than other players? For example, are you going to open them religiously from, say, the CO regardless of who's left to act, or do you need bad players in the blinds? I will open tons of these with loose/passive players in the blinds and also if there's only nits left to act. Vs decent, solid TAGs or even LAGs I am more hesitant to do so.

Where do you think your value comes from with, say, 76o from the CO on what kinda boards vs what kinda villains? For example how thinly are you going to vbet 2nd pair no kicker? You'll pretty much gonna have that hand till the river a lot of the times without any backdoor flushdraws or whatever (i.e. made hands are pretty equity static and draws often not as strong as they are with SC's).

Long post, sorry but I've been experimenting with these hands and that topic really interests me.

Posted almost 3 years ago

Sugar Nut

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Time Link to 00:11:30

sorry, forgot the timestamp. Not really important anyways, since it's more of a general topic I'm interested in and not the specific hand.

Posted almost 3 years ago

peten2toms

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Time Link to 00:49:17

Whats your plan if villain bets? How would you react to a turn raise vs our lead?

Posted almost 3 years ago

peten2toms

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Time Link to 00:51:29

Do you feel the same way about KJ as the caller in 3bet pots? Or is it strictly with the initiative? From what I gather your plan post flop is to typically go with TP when 100BB deep?

Posted almost 3 years ago

NoahSD

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Would it not make more sense to just flat here with AQ vs a guy that folds a lot? I have the video paused so I don't know his response yet, but I assume you will fold vs a 4bet? If not (and you have good reasons for it) 3betting is obviously fine, but in a way you're bluffing here with AQ, no?

I understand that you want to take the initiative being OOP and all that, but our hand should play well even OOP in a single raised pot vs an isolate-limper-range.

do you think he's getting frustrated with your constant 3betting and expect him to call or 4bet worse? If so, and that is your read, then 3betting is fine I guess.



No.

It's not a good idea to think of preflop in terms of value betting and bluffing. Preflop equities in NLHE are too close together (i.e., it's rare to be mpore than a 70/30 favorite) for that sort of logic to make sense.

The fact of the matter is that he's just folding to this 3-bet so much that 3-betting is way more profitable than calling here. He's probably folding something like 70% of the time (given that I have blockers to a lot of his range) and maybe 4-betting something like 10% of the time. So, my equity here is .7*30-.1*58+.2*(equity when called - 58) = 3.6 + .2*equity when called. If we just very roughly estimate our equity when called at half the pot (a low estimate), then the equity of a 3-bet is 3.6+.2*34 = $10.4. There's no way the equity of calling is that high when we're putting in $16 to a play a $44 pot with AQo OOP without initiative against a decent player with a tightish range.

Posted almost 3 years ago

NoahSD

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All,
I feel like a lot of you are confused about the same thing.

When you're 3-betting to like less than 15% of stacks preflop, categorizing your hands into value bets and bluffs isn't really particularly helpful. Most of the time that I'm 3-betting, I'm hoping for a fold, but I'm not just bluffing because when I'm called I can make hands and I can bluff myself, etc. I guess you can call it semibluffing, but really it's just different than anything that happens postflop.

Ulkis,
I didn't say I don't 3-bet suited connectors and stuff, I just said that I just 3-bet them less than most people who 3-bet as much as me... i.e., I think people overvalue their value when 3-betting.

Glad you liked the vid. Sorry if the cursing bothers you. In my last video there were a lot of comments on that, and it seems like the consensus is that the cursing makes the vids seem more natural and is entertaining. If a lot of people complain, I'll stop.

actionjacson,
Glad you liked the vid.

I think KJo/QJo are marginally profitable to play OOP vs. a BU or CO open against most regulars. KTo I don't think is profitable against most there, but I'm obviously just guessing. I'm 3-betting them because I think that that's way more profitable than calling. See the math in my first response for the logic behind this.

Yes, my strategy does change as I get deeper. Many opponents who fold really tightly to 3-bets will (correctly) call with a very wide range of hands as stacks get deeper when they're in position. Against these opponents, I obviously 3-bet much fewer hands OOP. I 3-bet much lighter against everyone with deeper stacks (say like 250+ BBs deep) in position because no matter how they respond, I'm just gonna shit on them. I also 3-bet a slightly different range deep. The deeper I get, the weaker hands like KTo/KJo get and the stronger hands like suited connectors, suited aces, and small pairs get (especially suited aces... suited aces are insanely strong hands with very deep stacks).

Posted almost 3 years ago

NoahSD

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In regards to this spot how would you react to a check shove if you in fact had JJ+?



Do you mean the hand vs. Python where I have KhJh? I'd snap fold those hands to a c/shove. I don't think I'm getting c/shoved here very often at all, though.. like less than 20% of the time.

Posted almost 3 years ago

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Sugar,
I think offsuit connectors are pretty strong for a lot of reasons. Straight draws and straights tend to be pretty concealed, and straight draws don't really get dominated in the way that flush draws do (an OESD vs. an over OESD like 67 vs. TJ on 89x has 32% equity whereas a flush draw vs. a bigger FD has like 20% equity).

Of course, these hands still aren't as good as suited connectors. And, playing them correctly is way harder than playing a hand like AK or 22 profitably. Like you said, a lot of the time you flop something really marginal. Unfortunately, I can't really generalize how I play a hand like 2PNK... there are just too many variables. Sometimes I treat it like a semibluff, sometimes I treat it like basically pure air, sometimes I treat it like the nuts, sometimes I just try to get to showdown, etc etc etc.

Playing draws and marginal hands correctly are prob the two hardest things to do in NLHE, and there's really no quick answer.

Posted almost 3 years ago

NoahSD

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Whats your plan if villain bets? How would you react to a turn raise vs our lead?



I'm c/cing flop. There's not much that beats us, and even though this guy doesn't bluff much when checked to, this is like the nut spot to bluff when checked to, so I'm sure he'll have a decent amount of air.

A turn raise like never happens. I guess I'd call and c/c river, but seriously, that like never happens.

Posted almost 3 years ago

NoahSD

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Do you feel the same way about KJ as the caller in 3bet pots? Or is it strictly with the initiative? From what I gather your plan post flop is to typically go with TP when 100BB deep?



Good question.

I don't feel the same way about KJ as the caller in 3-bet pots. People often talk about not 3-betting with hands that are easily dominated, like KJ, but really, KJ is a solid hand to 3-bet because you're rarely getting called by AK, often getting 4-bet by JJ+, and often AJ 4-bets or folds as well, so you don't really have to worry too much about being dominated preflop. That's obviously not at all true when you're calling a 3-bet, so that makes it way worse.

There's also just the fact that a hand like KJ plays like crap without betting impetus. In general, hands that often flop very marginal draws (like two overcards) play way better with betting impetus than without because you get to see the turn when you c-bet and get called, but you obv don't get to see the turn when you fold to a c-bet.

It's a bit too vague to say that I plan on getting it in every time I flop TP in a 3-bet pot. I'm rarely folding, but sometimes I'm checking or just calling a bet or a raise or whatever.. it's not like I'm treating TP like the nuts every time I flop it in a 3-bet pot 100 BBs deep, though I def often am.

Posted almost 3 years ago

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Time Link to 00:45:22

Do you really think there is enough worse hands that call here to value bet AJ on the river? Or does it serves also the purpose to let him act more honestly and not own us if we check to him? Would you check back if you are in position, say you are btn/co and he is sb/bb, same actions as in the video, but he checks to you on the river?

Posted almost 3 years ago

NoahSD

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Do you really think there is enough worse hands that call here to value bet AJ on the river? Or does it serves also the purpose to let him act more honestly and not own us if we check to him? Would you check back if you are in position, say you are btn/co and he is sb/bb, same actions as in the video, but he checks to you on the river?



I didn't have time to count combos on the river, but at the time I thought there were enough worse hands that call to make it a bet.

In hindsight, I still like it. There's really not that much that beats me here since he didn't raise the flop or turn or 3-bet preflop. So two pair besides A7 is very unlikely and only 6 combos of A7, 2 of which are suited. Flushes are heavily discounted because they didn't raise flop or turn--espec since the vast majority of flush draws have a combo draw on the turn. And there are 12 combos of Axs that play this way 100% of the time and then another 36 combos of Axo that often just call preflop and play this way postflop 100% of the time. That's a lot of combos that might call here, compared to maybe 10 combos of two pair, straights, sets (A7 and slowplays) and like 8 combos of flushes (24 combos are possible preflop, but they're heavily discounted on flop and turn).

It's quite close, though.

BU vs. CO I'd c/f river because he has much less offsuit Ax in his preflop range.

Posted almost 3 years ago

harryb

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why do you call these players fish when there up money and your down ?

Posted almost 3 years ago

inavacuum

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why do you call these players fish when there up money and your down ?



The typo almost makes this a passable level.

Posted almost 3 years ago

invict

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cut the swearing in your videos! it tilts me Poke Tongue

Posted almost 3 years ago

Sugar Nut

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Wow,

thanks a lot for the detailed replies, man. I'm highly looking forward towards what will hopefully be many future videos of yours.

Posted almost 3 years ago

Manchild

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solid vid noah,

In the future i'd be very happy to see more videos just like this one, i like them more than the rewind vids (which are also good). I think this format helps better to develop a total game strategy.

thanks!

- MC

Posted almost 3 years ago

MPHansen

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I agree with Manchild. Sweet video and I like the format a little better then the rewind format.

Posted almost 3 years ago

mrjusticerowlatt

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bigjimmylea1

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insanely awesome vid - please do more live vids Noah they are absolutely sik.

Thx

Posted almost 3 years ago

ThePureNuts

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Really like the vid and your Rewind series. I love your hud setup, could you export it and host it somewhere for us to download and use?

Cheers again for the vid

Posted almost 3 years ago

blumpster

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Hi Noah,

I'm a big fan of your videos as I've stated previously. It was hilarious to log onto DC and see myself in this Ghost vid. Your reads of me are pretty accurate (nitty TAG). I've only recently begun to play 6max NL online (I primarily play mixed games and PLO), so I tend to err on the tight side since I'm relatively inexperienced. I agree that the games were terrible and I'm pretty sure I was mostly in them to try and improve my game.

Keep up the good work!

-Blump

Posted almost 3 years ago

blumpster

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Btw, that AA hand, I was turning my hand into a bluff on the river, which is pretty insane on the surface. The hand got all mixed up because of my flat call preflop, which was a failed attempt to get a squeeze, most likely from Python on the button (11% squeeze over 2k hands). Instead the bb called and we took the KhTh9s flop three ways. Postflop, the bb lead out and utg and I called. Turn 2c and bb bets very small (40 into 110) and we both called again. River was the Jh and they both check to me. I think it's almost impossible I have the best hand after that river, and I think it's very credible to represent a strong and even nut hand. I think I actually like the river bluff even though the hand kind of got butchered due to preflop. You said yourself that you were surprised the bb would call with the baby straight with 8s7s. I'd be interested to hear what you think about my attempt at a justification, and whether or not you still think it's terrible.

Posted almost 3 years ago

blumpster

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In hindsight, I still like it. There's really not that much that beats me here since he didn't raise the flop or turn or 3-bet preflop. So two pair besides A7 is very unlikely and only 6 combos of A7, 2 of which are suited. Flushes are heavily discounted because they didn't raise flop or turn--espec since the vast majority of flush draws have a combo draw on the turn. And there are 12 combos of Axs that play this way 100% of the time and then another 36 combos of Axo that often just call preflop and play this way postflop 100% of the time. That's a lot of combos that might call here, compared to maybe 10 combos of two pair, straights, sets (A7 and slowplays) and like 8 combos of flushes (24 combos are possible preflop, but they're heavily discounted on flop and turn).



Good analysis. I had A5cc.

Posted almost 3 years ago

shackwove

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Why do you open to pot on the button? It's obviously easier to just click once on the bar and make it 3x (which is my sizing on the button/co) so it looks like you really prefer potting it. Why's that ?

Posted almost 3 years ago

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harry,
Because that's what I think. I'm not sure which players you're talking about, but I'm just saying what I think. If you think that I'm a fish, then don't watch my videos.

invict,
See my responses about the swearing earlier. I'm sorry that it bothers you. I'm listening to this feedback, and I'll try to tone it down. I won't stop completely unless a lot more people complain.

Sugar,
NP. I was sitting in an airport Poke Tongue.

MC, MPH, g_marshy, bigjimmy,
I was actually expecting people to be pissed at me for doing something other than rewind. Glad you liked this.

The current plan is to do one more sweat vid this season and then two more rewind vids. I think I can still change that if I want, though, and I appreciate the feedback/suggestions.

ThePureNuts,
Glad you like my vids.

I guess I could export my HUD setup, but it's basically just the default HM HUD. All I did was added a couple stats that I like (I think F3,F3B,F2,and 2B). All of the crazy popups and shit are just the default popups for mouseovers in HM because Roy Gonclaves is the man. Also, my HUD kinda sucks and I've been planning on changing it for a while--it fits really awkwardly no the table cause I don't use panels and I haven't bothered to color code it.

I'll upload it somewhere if you really want, but you're prob better off spending the 10 mins to make your own.

blump,
Glad you liked the vid. You played pretty well from what I saw... prob just wanna start opening more preflop and 3-betting more.

I can't find this AA hand in the vid. Got a timestamp?

Nice fold with the A5cc.

shack,
I think I talk a little bit about this in the vid. I try to open bigger when I think I'm getting called a lot and smaller when I think my opponents are really like to 3-bet or fold. So in the vid I open to 3x OTB a few times when the people behind me are pretty TAG. I prob open to 3.5x a few times when I shouldn't just cause I forget and I'm used to opening 3.5x from UTG/HJ/CO.

Posted almost 3 years ago

blumpster

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Time Link to 00:40:05

I can't find this AA hand in the vid. Got a timestamp?



Noah, this is the AA hand where you called my play "terrible" Wink

Posted almost 3 years ago

blumpster

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Time Link to 00:36:58

Noah wanted this hand to get to showdown to get more reads on Stackthefelt. I looked up the hand and I had QThh. Would anyone continue here? If so, what type of plan would they have? Thanks.

Posted almost 3 years ago

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Noah, this is the AA hand where you called my play "terrible" Wink



Ok.. I see. Preflop is debatable, not a big deal. Flop and turn are completely standard.

I really really hate the river bet, though. On the river, you're risking 188 to win 230, so you need to win the pot at least 45% of the time that someone has a hand that beats you. There's no way that's happening considering that crab has 9 combos of KJ max (and prob doesn't always open it preflop, so more like 5 combos) and 12 combos of KQ that almost always get to the river this way and probably check the river about 60% of the time. Then there's the occasional flush in crab's range. Ashen has two pair more often, but he also has a straight a lot. He's also some random fish, so there's the risk that he calls with two pair which obv makes this play totally suck.

Posted almost 3 years ago

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Noah wanted this hand to get to showdown to get more reads on Stackthefelt. I looked up the hand and I had QThh. Would anyone continue here? If so, what type of plan would they have? Thanks.



I like the fold. You only have implied odds on your 2 T outs, and even those outs are sketchy. You rarely have the best hand now, when you do your opponent always has a ton of outs, and you can't call a triple barrel.

Posted almost 3 years ago

blumpster

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He's also some random fish, so there's the risk that he calls with two pair which obv makes this play totally suck.



Yeah, I think this is the biggest reason why the bluff isn't correct. Against different opponents and with my image, I think the play has merit.

Posted almost 3 years ago

blumpster

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I like the fold. You only have implied odds on your 2 T outs, and even those outs are sketchy. You rarely have the best hand now, when you do your opponent always has a ton of outs, and you can't call a triple barrel.



Cool, just making sure.

Posted almost 3 years ago

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ThePureNuts,
Glad you like my vids.

I guess I could export my HUD setup, but it's basically just the default HM HUD. All I did was added a couple stats that I like (I think F3,F3B,F2,and 2B). All of the crazy popups and shit are just the default popups for mouseovers in HM because Roy Gonclaves is the man. Also, my HUD kinda sucks and I've been planning on changing it for a while--it fits really awkwardly no the table cause I don't use panels and I haven't bothered to color code it.

I'll upload it somewhere if you really want, but you're prob better off spending the 10 mins to make your own.



Yea I actually watched the Tool Time series about HEM HUD and I am starting to tailor my own HUD now. Fold to 3b is a stat I amazingly never used (just used PFR/ VPIP / game flow) for 3b requirments. So watching your vids makes me realise what a tard I am, thanks for that. Also your sick river CR spots are working a treat.

Cheers

Posted almost 3 years ago

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See my responses about the swearing earlier. I'm sorry that it bothers you. I'm listening to this feedback, and I'll try to tone it down. I won't stop completely unless a lot more people complain.



Why - out of a principle?

(Just kidding, I dont mind really one way or another, just thought it was a bit out of place because you sounded calm and collected and not tilted)

Posted almost 3 years ago

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Pure,
Now you have me going through Tool Time. Pretty awesome stuff.

Ulkis,
Because it would probably take me like 10 tries to talk poker for an hour straight without cursing. I'm not tilted at all in this vid or in any vid I've made for DC or Savvy--I just curse a lot.

There are also some people who commented on my last video saying that they liked the cursing.

Posted almost 3 years ago

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"Oh, he 4 bet me. Good for him"

I lol'd.

Posted almost 3 years ago

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Time Link to 00:16:13

You comment that villains cbet on with QJ op AJ9 monotone is bad and he should check behind; I'm not so sure if it really matters that much. Your range consists of draws, better made hands, and worse hands:

If he bets:

1. Worse hands fold, and this isn't bad since a lot of worse hands have a very low flush draw that's actually given you a lot of equity against his specific hand, but you can't continue because he also has a lot of hands in his range that dominate a weak draw.
2. Better hands raise or call. Against the raising hands he's probably drawing near dead so folding is good, and against the calling hands he probably has 3-4 outs or so.
3. Draws might bluff him out the pot; also not a big disaster since most draws have at least 40% equity, and often more (and there are also not that much draws; you are not going to play K9o or something like that oop (I assume).

So what happends here is that he bets, you fold frequently (I would say around 70%) and he wins the pot while you give up your equity share (20~25% on average?). Sure; he doesn't induce a bluff on the turn (and/or) river, but he also doesn't lose more than one bet when behind and he doesn't get bluffed out of the pot on bad turn/rivers.

Posted almost 3 years ago

NoahSD

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oz,
Poke Tongue.

Hielko,
You're acting like inducing a bluff on the turn or river isn't a big deal. It's a huge deal.

You're also overestimating how often I have a flush draw here. The hands that I fold to a flop bet prob have a flush draw about 15% of the time (very roughly).

You're also not seeing what goes on when I do have one of those FDs that I'd fold to a bet. On 20%ish of turns, I hit a flush and he loses the pot. On like 5% of turns, I hit something other than a flush and he loses the pot plus one bet. On the remaining 75% of turns, he probably gets a bet out of me something like 70% of the the time, with about 75% equity going into the river. See how that works out?

Posted almost 3 years ago

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Yeah, I see your point. One thing doesn't really add up though;

If you would indeed be continuing with only Ax, Jxc, sets, OESD, Kcx and maybe Qcx he probably should cbet the flop with any 2 since you would be folding 75-80% of your range, and you assume he should know this since you think he should check back QJ. But if he did indeed figure out that he should check back QJ doesn't that imply that he also figured out that he should bet air on the flop like always, so that would imply that he should only check back when he wants you to bluff.

Posted almost 3 years ago

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For the record I myself have no probs w/ the cursing we r all 18+ here so there is really nothing wrong w/ it.

PS MORE SWEAT VIDS BY NOAH THIS VID WAS SERIOUSLY SIK!!!!

Posted almost 3 years ago

NoahSD

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big,
Glad you liked it. Another sweat video is coming out Friday. I tried really hard not to curse during it, but I failed miserably Frown.

All,
Hielko and I discussed that hand some more over AIM. Thought you guys might be interested:

Me (3:39:31 PM): when you start getting into this "I know that he knows that i know that he knows..." crap
Me (3:39:39 PM): well
Me (3:39:50 PM): usually one of the "he knows" isn't true
Me (3:39:57 PM): cause our opponents are idiots
Me (3:40:03 PM): in this case
Hielko (3:40:06 PM): oke, that's obvious since he did cbet here
Me (3:40:08 PM): people don't always bet air
Me (3:40:19 PM): in fact they check and fold to a turn bet a lot
Me (3:40:23 PM): that's why i bluff the turn a lot
Hielko (3:40:27 PM): but if he did understand that checking would be best, I would assume that he would understand that betting air would be good on the flop
Me (3:40:27 PM): and when they don't fold to a turn bet
Me (3:40:33 PM): they almost always fold to a river bet
Me (3:40:50 PM): sure
Me (3:41:02 PM): if i'm in his shoes, i'm betting all my air and checking back hands around QJ
Me (3:41:23 PM): and that works because the guy in the blinds is often betting air on the turn even tho against me he shouldn't
Me (3:41:40 PM): occasionally i bump into someone who i think will play pretty well against this
Me (3:41:46 PM): and i do something else
Me (3:41:49 PM): but that's pretty rare
Me (3:41:58 PM): and it's usually pretty obv how to respond anyway

Posted almost 3 years ago

bones

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Time Link to 00:44:13

Top left with J9, you call his cr and even though you mention previously that he has a really high double barrel frequency, you fold on a pretty brickish turn. What kind of turn were you looking to continue on if he's barreling you a decent amount?

Posted almost 3 years ago

Rungee

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Great video.

I have a pretty novice question:

Around 10:40 top right table, we fold 34s on the button to stackthefelts small open. Is 3betting here bad? Would you 3bet slightly better hands like 78s, 89s, just call with them, or fold those as well?

Posted almost 3 years ago

RainFall

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What should amateur players make of coaches who when PTR'ed are big in the negative with highly aggro styles?

Posted almost 3 years ago

dj_mercury

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They should inform themselves better before looking as fools on a public forum. If you don't like his style of play, why don't you pick hands that you think he played badly rather than look at an inaccurate website results. Furthermore Pokerstars is not where NoahSD is playing regularly. If you have doubts that he is a winner check out this sick brag thread: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54/poker-beats-brags-variance/weeeeeee-482861/index3.html.

Posted almost 3 years ago

tubasteve

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even if the website is accurate, down a few buyins over 20k hands is totally standard given noah's style and nature of those games.

Posted almost 3 years ago

NoahSD

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Rungee,
I think 34s is a much much worse hand than a hand like 78s. 34s makes less straights, makes fewer nut straights, never flush over flushes anyone and gets flush over flushed more often, makes lower two pair more often and never makes top two pair, makes fewer OESDs, etc. It's really a much much worse hands.

Rain, dj, and steve,
Those stats are probably pretty accurate. Obviously that's no where near my full sample on Stars, and it's a really small sample, but I understand the concern. You also probably shouldn't use a brag post about a sick heater over a small sample to judge how well I play/coach.

Here's a decent sample of midstakes 6-max that I posted on 2p2 when I asked for staking for the WSOP: http://s71.photobucket.com/albums/i121/nsd4eva/?action=view¤t=lifetime6maxmidstakesjune17.jpg .

Posted almost 3 years ago

MrCrunk

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http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/998-NoahSD-1-4-tabling-400NL?seek=1984

What is the thought process on Table 1 in regards to the betsizing to 30? I like it and am always making it this size or similar in this situation but just interested in hearing the whys for you with this action?

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/998-NoahSD-1-4-tabling-400NL?seek=2107

What are your thoughts on "imthesky"'s bet sizing for the boat?

Lastly in regards to swearing - keep at it, its not like you swear for any particular reason its just your natural language patterns so keep rolling - I love your videos so I want you completely focused on your play and not worrying about saying words that people hear a million times a day

Love your Ghost videos - keep up the great work.

Posted almost 3 years ago

JammyJenny

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Time Link to 00:25:52

Firstly i have loved some of your previous stuff, really insightful. This video does look a little weaker so far, your timing tells are huge and you dont seem to anticipate that Python is gonna adjust to you 3betting him in and oop every other hand. Or was the plan to 3bet a tonne till you know hes adjusting then fuck with him? havent watched the rest yet so i guess we shall see....

Posted almost 3 years ago

NoahSD

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MrCrunk,
You might find it easier to use the comment on timeline feature instead of copy link to clipboard feature.

I don't really have any particular reason why I make it 30 there. That sizing I think is pretty standard given pot size and stack sizes, and I don't see any argument to make it a different sizing in this particular spots with this hand.

I think imthesky's river sizing is probably good against a lot of regulars because a lot of them are going to have two pair a lot there, and a lot of them will be much more likely to call a smaller river bet. It's actually bad against me because I'm calling a shove with exactly the same range that I call a smaller bet with, but he has no way of knowing that.

Jenny,
Glad you liked my previous stuff, and sorry that you don't think this one was up to par.

I definitely have huge timing tells when I make my videos because I'm talking through my thought process while I'm playing, and it takes a lot more time to talk about close/interesting spots than to talk about boring spots. I don't really see why that should bother you since you can just take my advice but not copy my timing, but I'm sorry that it does bother you. I'm not going to stop taking my time to describe close spots in my videos.

I'm also not really sure what you mean that I don't anticipate Python adjusting. I was certainly prepared to slow down if he showed me that he was playing back--either by calling or 4-betting often enough that I thought it was clear his range had changed or by showing down something weak after calling or 4-betting. I don't slow down until I think someone's adjusted, though, because I've found that people will often take a long time to adjust or never adjust.

Posted over 2 years ago

shark_fishin

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Hey, sry for posting question so late, but i have a real big leak in my game and iv been searching for ages on how to fix it, but i think u might have answered it in this vid, although i was hoping u could flesh it out a bit for me so i could understand it a bit better as im really weak in this area of poker.

Basicly you were 3betting this reg relentlessly as he was folding to 92% of 3bets, you 3bet 45o OOP vs him at one point which i found bizzare. But anyway, after like 10 folds from him you said the following:

"The guy must be folding pocket pairs or something hes folding so much. Im making it $33 vs his $9 opens, he only has to call $24, so it's a pretty standard call with(given how light im 3betting its a 4bet with w/e) but even if he doesn't know how light im 3betting it's a pretty standard call with like suited connectors some bigger suited gappers, suited Aces, some offsuit bigcards, some offsuit bigger connectors like 9To TJo probably aswell, and he's obviously folded all that crap to me allready and hes probably folded pocket pairs and stuff, and that just blows my mind."

Well, im basicly the same as this guy, perhaps a little better but i fold tons to 3bets, and people tell me to open smaller like 2.5xBB, so i do, and i still fold a bunch maybe 80% of the time.
Basicly you made out like he has direct odds to call with that stuff. Like odds to set mine(but u have such a wide range i dont know how) and odds to call with suited connectors which i also don't understand..
Im not great at the math side of poker so perhaps that's why. I was just hoping you could give an explanation of defending vs 3bets as im terrable at it.

Also what compounds the error for me is i tend to open up to 75% of hands on the BTN sometimes, where as i saw you folding stuff like Q3s, K8o, J8o, Q4o 84s which would all be standard opens for me a lot of the time and then it obviously becomes more difficult for me to defend 30%(GTO) of my range vs a 3bet :-\
I play at ongame, and 10-15% 3bet is pretty standard for regs there at 200NL.

Well any help would be greatly appreciated. And all your vids iv seen where totally awesome btw thanks for doing them.

Posted about 2 years ago

NoahSD

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Hey shark,
"Basicly you were 3betting this reg relentlessly as he was folding to 92% of 3bets, you 3bet 45o OOP vs him at one point which i found bizzare."

If he's folding to 92% of 3-bets, it's profitable to 3-bet him with two napkins. In fact, it's profitable to 3-bet him with two napkins and then disconnect my internet.

"Like odds to set mine(but u have such a wide range i dont know how) and odds to call with suited connectors which i also don't understand..
Im not great at the math side of poker so perhaps that's why. I was just hoping you could give an explanation of defending vs 3bets as im terrable at it. "

I guess with the ridiculous amount that I was 3-betting he wouldn't have implied odds to call with a small PP. I think he should still be calling with suited connectors because those play pretty well against a wide range, and obviously mid pocket pairs and two suited broadways and AJ/KQ/QJ/etc. In more normal situations, small PPs are good too.

"Also what compounds the error for me is i tend to open up to 75% of hands on the BTN sometimes, where as i saw you folding stuff like Q3s, K8o, J8o, Q4o 84s which would all be standard opens for me a lot of the time and then it obviously becomes more difficult for me to defend 30%(GTO) of my range vs a 3bet :-\
I play at ongame, and 10-15% 3bet is pretty standard for regs there at 200NL."

If you're getting 3-bet a lot from the blinds, why are you opening 75% of hands on the button? Just click the other button instead with those hands you listed. That will probably bring your fold to 3-bet down a lot.

Posted about 2 years ago

shark_fishin

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Great reply, thanks a lot Smile

In more normal situations, small PPs are good too.



I guess you mean to set mine then..

Posted about 2 years ago



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