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Poker Video: MTT/SNG by AMT (Micro/Small Stakes)

Yikes! Made a very silly mistake here that I should clarify. When talking with PB about KT vs. 22 on the bubble push spot, PB was right, and of course we would rather have 22. Not sure what I was on about in making statements regarding the preference of KT. Both fall similarly together in a lot of spots (when one is a push the other is often a push as well) so it shouldn’t be too big of a deal, and it doesn’t change our primary observations about the hand, but didn’t want people to get confused with my incoherent statement about that tangent. It’s mainly just important to take away from my last point about it when I said we would rather be shoving hands like the 22 and calling shoves with hands like KT (if appropriate at all in the given situation), instead of what I was confusing and incorrectly alluding to earlier.
Regardless, hope you guys enjoyed. Special thanks to PB for his contributions for this video.

at aprox 1:10:30 I think Aka asks "if shoved would you fold teh A9 here?" , AMT replies something like "yes, its definitely to strong a hand here...the small blind is capable of pushing anything with 3bb"

Im assuming you meant call the A9...i really cant see folding in that spot, but maybe i misheard the video

at aprox 1:10:30 I think Aka asks "if shoved would you fold teh A9 here?" , AMT replies something like "yes, its definitely to strong a hand here...the small blind is capable of pushing anything with 3bb"

Im assuming you meant call the A9...i really cant see folding in that spot, but maybe i misheard the video

Yeah, I think you misheard. Chris asked if I would call with the A9o to an SB shove, and I replied that I would've since people can indeed push an extremely wide range from the sb here. But in reality, even if he was only pushing a range as tight as 22+,A2+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs, you're at +~1% in the profitability of the call (which is a huge margin in the short stacked push/fold stages of SNGs---an edge I'd never dream of passing up). Sorry if there was any confusion on this.

Yeah i prolly misheard, thats why i asked cause if the answer was in fact different there wouldbe been for sure a huge leak in my game

Akapeanutbutter: did you perform better after this coaching? Your sharkscope shows a huge downswing.

I was curious about how one of the hands in the video could have been played.

On the hand on the top right screen where Hero got QQ in the SB after 1 raise and 2 callers, is it spew to just push all-in in that spot?

Time Link to 00:00:28

hey - don't you think it would be more reasonable to shove it in this spot to avoid a multiway pot? on these limits you should not expect every one to fold, i guess...

Hey guys,

It's really difficult to comment on old videos when I'm not entirely certain of which hands you're referring to. Could you create new posts with corrected time stamps?

Elf,

If you're referring to the 1st hand with KK, I definitely wouldn't shove pf. My default is probably 180 though, which is pretty standard for wanting to get value out of your monster, IMO. All shoving pf does is lose out on value from tons of worse hands that'll call preflop to a reasonably size pre flop raise, that might fold to a shove. We don't want that because our hand is too strong.

hi AMT,
i'm writing to get a clarification about your first post.
is your final point that is better to push 22 and call with KT?
here is my understanding of the topic: i'm always pushing/calling vs a certain range, a range that in absence of specific information i've to suppose adherent to a standard S&GW o Pokerstove percent range. in front of this consideration, a specific hand vs a specific range always plays in the same manner, regardless of the action involved (calling/pushing). Pokerstove finds that KT is slightly stronger than 22-44 when facing a 35% range, while 22-44 prevails confronting a 15% range. my conclusions are that vs a 35% calling/pushing range a KT hand works better, either pushing or calling, than 22-44. all this under the hypothesis that we don't know the exact composition of the villain range.

thx in advance

is your final point that is better to push 22 and call with KT?

Well it depends on a lot of things but yes, that'd probably be the final point generally speaking.

Re: working through your logic, it of course makes sense that X% remains X%, and that if we have perfect information/have a specific # picked out for a pushing or calling % that we can accurately determine which of the hands is better to have specifically, but I was talking generally, based on the dynamic tendencies of pushing and calling ranges (and no one is pushing and calling the exact same range of hands in a single spot, not very realistic imo). You're creating fold equity for yourself when shoving [22], and have a pair that is statistically less likely to be dominated when called compared to a hand like KTo simply based on card combinations and calling tendencies of opponents (even if I might also shove KT in the same spot).

Also, with a hand like 22, you can never ever be >50% against someones range of hands realistically speaking. Even against a random hand/any two cards that someone might be shoving in many short stacked SNG spots, you're 50% equity, whereas with KTo you have 60%. You're more likely to call someones jam with KT and see QT and K9 and T9s and JTs than you are to shove KT and get looked up by hands that you're dominating (there are exceptions to this, but again working generally here, humor me). KTo just does better the wider you go as you alluded to in your post, and generally people are shoving wider than they are calling shoves.

Of course, as I mentioned before, it seems unlikely that you'd find a range of hands that includes say, shoving 22 but not shoving KTo (even in your 35% example its like a 1.5% difference in equity), but yeah the larger point still stands, and fwiw I can see spots where we *might* call off KT and fold 22 but not really spots where we'd open fold 22 and be shoving KT. Hope that helps a bit.

At the 25/50 you advocate (as in your series) folding small pocket pairs in lieu of set mining. Can you define small pocket pairs? In other words I figure 88+ are in but what about 77 or maybe 66? 66 seem thin but 77 seem they could go either way? Can you elaborate on that?
We're transitioning to FT from other sites & are having small adjustment problems due to the structure from say PS, UB or Bodog due to no antes. Any chance of some more FT vids?

At the 25/50 you advocate (as in your series) folding small pocket pairs in lieu of set mining. Can you define small pocket pairs? In other words I figure 88+ are in but what about 77 or maybe 66? 66 seem thin but 77 seem they could go either way? Can you elaborate on that?
We're transitioning to FT from other sites & are having small adjustment problems due to the structure from say PS, UB or Bodog due to no antes. Any chance of some more FT vids?

I think posting a couple hands with these spots in the forum is the best way to go, because a lot is situationally dependent. Yes though, I think small PPs become folds especially from up front, but raising can be viable as well depending on the table dynamics, stacks, etc.... I guess very generally speaking, at full tables I'd be inclined to play 88+ and be dumping lower pairs. Assuming we're working with around starting stack or more, as we move to later positions I can see myself opening 77 and even 66 as well. I wouldn't really be playing 22-55 at this point except for the later positions (HJ/CO/BTN) where I can be raising through less opponents and have a better shot at taking down the pot pre flop or on the flop (or perhaps in earlier positions if we had much deeper stacks to work with, if say there was heavy action early in the tourney from a bunch of loose donks).

Hope that helps a bit, but of course it was really general so I still advise making some hand posts on here and perhaps also in STTF for more discussion and deeper assessment of the in-game factors we have to rely on.

Re: more FT videos, duly noted and we will definitely come out with some FT content this summer.

I think posting a couple hands with these spots in the forum is the best way to go, because a lot is situationally dependent. Yes though, I think small PPs become folds especially from up front, but raising can be viable as well depending on the table dynamics, stacks, etc.... I guess very generally speaking, at full tables I'd be inclined to play 88+ and be dumping lower pairs. Assuming we're working with around starting stack or more, as we move to later positions I can see myself opening 77 and even 66 as well. I wouldn't really be playing 22-55 at this point except for the later positions (HJ/CO/BTN) where I can be raising through less opponents and have a better shot at taking down the pot pre flop or on the flop (or perhaps in earlier positions if we had much deeper stacks to work with, if say there was heavy action early in the tourney from a bunch of loose donks).

Hope that helps a bit, but of course it was really general so I still advise making some hand posts on here and perhaps also in STTF for more discussion and deeper assessment of the in-game factors we have to rely on.

Re: more FT videos, duly noted and we will definitely come out with some FT content this summer.

Thanks, actually I was asking in a general sense. Looking forward to FT action.