Poker Video: Misc/Other by Tommy Angelo (Micro/Small Stakes)

I know berating the fish is a bad thing to do, but I do exactly the same as Wayne does. I get a bad beat and I just NEED to tell my opponent that he/she played the hand horrible.
I do this super sarcastic by saying "nice hand, you played that hand SUPER well, calling the flop, and calling almost your whole stack off to hit on the river, SUPER.. you are going to be the next Phil ivey!!"

After that I already feel bad by doing it

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But I feel good afterwards.


Not berating the fish after a bad beat makes it more likely that I go on tilt although I really don't have big tilt issues. It's sort of like an outlet.


Maybe this episode will help me to get rid of it entirely. So far this (awesome) series really helped improving my overall game.

It was not easy confessing my sins. This is my biggest problem. I don't really tilt in the traditional sense, but I sure do when it comes to taking a hammer to the glass. Mostly it's ego. You know you are smarter than they are, and by accusing them (accurately) of being fish, you maintain your superiority in the face of evidence you're an idiot.

If I could change one thing I do, this is it. Do as I say, not as I do.

Glad you guys are enjoying the series. It is our contribution to mankind.

Best wishes,

Wayne

It was not easy confessing my sins. This is my biggest problem. I don't really tilt in the traditional sense, but I sure do when it comes to taking a hammer to the glass. Mostly it's ego. You know you are smarter than they are, and by accusing them (accurately) of being fish, you maintain your superiority in the face of evidence you're an idiot.

If I could change one thing I do, this is it. Do as I say, not as I do.

Glad you guys are enjoying the series. It is our contribution to mankind.

Best wishes,

Wayne

Sorry but this comes off as pure hubris. 8(

just wanted to say thanks for being awesome. offering videos like the eightfold path to poker enlightment in FOUR different formats AND drm free is really cool. keep up the good work.

like the piano riff at 19:50. pithy. dont like cutting the Stones like a rainbow short right before the delicious part, its like not getting off with sex. these are my thoughts.

Fantastic series.

I'm curious about some aspects of table talk, specifically shutdown answers. I've often responded to "what did you have" with "cards and chips." I'm wondering if that's just a little too smartass. Should I just shut up when confronted with that question?

Fantastic series.

I'm curious about some aspects of table talk, specifically shutdown answers. I've often responded to "what did you have" with "cards and chips." I'm wondering if that's just a little too smartass. Should I just shut up when confronted with that question?

It's really amazing how many questions at the poker table just scream out for some kind of smart ass reply. "What did you have" is very often one of those questions. You really only have four choices: Give an actual answer, meaning cards, that sounds serious (even if it's a lie), ignore the questioner entirely, give a smartass reply (such as "cards and chips"), or tell the real truth, such as "I'd rather not say."

I've done them all a zillion times each. Not saying anything is not ideal. But for me, nowadays, it's always the correct "least of evils" choice. The think that makes silence so much better than any of the others in my opinion is that any reaction at all brings you down to the level of the questioner. It means that you care about the question, and the answer, and the opinions formed because of them. It sends a message that you care about all the stuff that is exactly the same stuff that makes it impossible to really focus on the next hand. Basically it means you are just like the person who asked the question. If you want to separate yourself from him/them, then silence is the only way.

But let's say that's not an option. Of the remaining options, I think a smart-ass answer is the worst choice. But it's close.

Tommy

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the argument that not chatting is +EV from informational standpoint isn't always true.
If someone can extract more information than his opponents from chatting, it can be +EV to chat and provoke responses.
Colin Moshman wrote this about showing hands: if it provokes your opponent to show too, and you use the information better, it's +EV to start showing your hands.

Actually, this is the single most important thing that prevent's me from just disabling chat.

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But I feel good afterwards.


Not berating the fish after a bad beat makes it more likely that I go on tilt although I really don't have big tilt issues. It's sort of like an outlet.


Maybe this episode will help me to get rid of it entirely. So far this (awesome) series really helped improving my overall game.

i haven't had a chance to watch this yet, so it might have been said in the video, but at least for online poker, i found it very healthy to recently exclude myself from pokerstars chat.
i just sent them an email, after once more i said pretty horrible things to some donk (i would be ashamed of repeating what i said), and so now i have been self excluded for 1 1/2 months and it's great. i simply CANNOT type anything.
funny enough though, i still sometimes do and hit enter?!
lol

Really loving the series so far, every episode so far has been great, this one wasn't an exception.

So this bi-weekly release schedule... is that some stealthy way of forcing me to practice patience or something?

Why can't it be next Tuesday NOW?

My poker game is still struggling, but the Eight Fold Path has made me a far happier, positive and motivated person in general. This series is just incredible.

I love the quote about someone seeing Tommy for poker, which took several shots off their golf game. This happened to me after listening to The Eight Fold Path! I went out on Sunday and hit some shots I didn't even know I had in me. My putter was running ridiculously hot, I got up & down on five consecutive holes - which is better than good for me. I put it all down to mindfulness, my new favorite thing. 'mindful breathing, mindful posture' is so crucial to good golf.

I've been using 'right-speech' at work with awesome results. It's lifted the whole mood in my office.

Thanks Tommy and DC!

Swampy

To say I am impressed by this series would be an understatement. This series is worth the 30 bux a month by itself. I know it probably doesn't really mean much to these guys, but Tommy Angelo has earned my respect for putting into words concepts that I have thought about but never quite grasped as well as I do now. This particular episode hits home for me because I used to be a big mouth...I can still be if I don't watch myself.

Thank you Tommy. And Wayne too

Time Link to 00:02:01

what is this song/melody?

Stairway to Heaven, Led Zeppelin.

I think I need to download the intro music

Ask, and...

http://www.tommyangelo.com/music/Theme-Music-start-of-all-episodes.mp3

http://www.tommyangelo.com/music/Theme-Music-end-of-episode1.mp3

http://www.tommyangelo.com/music/Theme-Music-end-of-episode2.mp3

Thanks for the links Tommy, have you got any plans to put out some of the music you played during the series on mp3 or CD? The songs like Stairway to Heaven and She's a Rainbow and stuff?

Yes. It'll all be up at my site (mp3s) within a week or couple months. lol Seriously!

Thank you from me, too. Very rarely can I relax that much like when I'm listening to your music. This is of the things that make this series more than a bare poker video series for me.

Fantastic series so far. Im really interested in learning some things about Buddhism and meditation now. Tommy, do you have recommendations for books or other material on this subject? (i just ordered yours

I have always find it funny that people berathe the fish for making a bad play while they are making a bad poker decision themselves, namely wrong speech.

What do you think is the best thing to do when people berathe the fish? Do nothing or report it to the moderators in online poker?

Do nothing.

Hey Wayne and Tommy,

I'm just re-watching the series ~1 year later (as per recommended). I want to say thanks again for all the time and effort that went into this.

I'm glad you addressed responding to open-ended questions (where a yes/no answer will not suffice). I played a live hand since my initial viewing of this episode that I want to get your thoughts on.

10/20 Borgata Full
I open the button with some cheese, like 94s or so.
Some action goes in post flop and the hand gets to showdown.
I roll the winning hand and drag the pot.
Big blind (who lost the hand): "I don't know how you raise with that..."
Me: "I just put the four chips out there."

Shutoff answer?

I would say no. It's not an shutoff answer because you were not asked a question. I would call what you said a voluntary statement. (It could be taken as a smartass statement, or as a genuinely enjoyable fun statement, depending on the exact tone of the whole situation.) I think the best reaction to what your opponent said would have been silence.

That said, what you said does have a shutoff quality to it in that it doesn't invite the conversation to continue.