Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by whitelime (Mid Stakes)

Outstanding as usual. Hoping so much for an upcoming season 4! :-)

Maybe I am missing something, but when I look at pokertableratings I see this downgoing curve with a $1,6m loss.
Is that site at all accurate?
I mean, hard to find the motivation to watch if the instructor is a losing player, no?

Hey JimmyRare,

Your question has been asked and answered a couple of times, so I'm going to summarize the answer here:

1) Sites like tableratings don't track even close to 100% accuracy. Google "tableratings accuracy" and search on sites like DeucesCracked and TwoPlusTwo to see tons of examples of hands being ignored (when their mining software misses hands) and hands being double counted.

2) whitelime has run notoriously bad at higher stakes ($200/400+) while soulcrushing normal stakes.

The combination of those two factors has left him with one hell of a graph on Tableratings. You can find other threads on DC, 2p2, and many other sites talking about this. The gist of it is that tableratings is a great site for entertainment, but it's not a site that I'd use to base judgments on players and their caliber of play.

Rob

Maybe I am missing something, but when I look at pokertableratings I see this downgoing curve with a $1,6m loss.
Is that site at all accurate?
I mean, hard to find the motivation to watch if the instructor is a losing player, no?

I'd watch his videos and base my judgement on his play and his commentary/explanations of table dynamics, his image, and his rationale for doin' what he does @ the table.

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KQ table1
ive notice this on other videos - i think you give up pretty easy on most turns when you barrel - in this particular spot i see no reason to not keep betting on turn:
1) youll make a bigger pot for when you hit (also were deep)
2) you def make him fold better - the low part of his range
3) even if youre gonna be cr here i really dont mind givin the stacks...

You've spent 7 episodes saying "I can't tell you about things yet". I mean really we can use PTR and see that things aren't going as you'd like.

Outstanding as usual. Hoping so much for an upcoming season 4! :-)

+1

KQ table1
ive notice this on other videos - i think you give up pretty easy on most turns when you barrel - in this particular spot i see no reason to not keep betting on turn:
1) youll make a bigger pot for when you hit (also were deep)
2) you def make him fold better - the low part of his range
3) even if youre gonna be cr here i really dont mind givin the stacks...

I thought his explanation of why checking in these spots allows us to have it when we raise and the draw comes in on the river was pretty convincing. obv more than one way to skin a cat.

I thought his explanation of why checking in these spots allows us to have it when we raise and the draw comes in on the river was pretty convincing. obv more than one way to skin a cat.

yeah, i wrote that in real time.

also ive notice that while youre turn lines seems like a little bit passive, your river plays are godlike
nice job!

Hey JimmyRare,

Your question has been asked and answered a couple of times, so I'm going to summarize the answer here:

1) Sites like tableratings don't track even close to 100% accuracy. Google "tableratings accuracy" and search on sites like DeucesCracked and TwoPlusTwo to see tons of examples of hands being ignored (when their mining software misses hands) and hands being double counted.

2) whitelime has run notoriously bad at higher stakes ($200/400+) while soulcrushing normal stakes.

The combination of those two factors has left him with one hell of a graph on Tableratings. You can find other threads on DC, 2p2, and many other sites talking about this. The gist of it is that tableratings is a great site for entertainment, but it's not a site that I'd use to base judgments on players and their caliber of play.

Rob

Thanks for the good answer.

FYI: DrGiggy is a crazy (in a very solid / LAG way) bluefirepoker instructor.

You've spent 7 episodes saying "I can't tell you about things yet". I mean really we can use PTR and see that things aren't going as you'd like.

Well considering only 20% or so of my play is on FTP, even less than 20% has been straight NLHE, and 90% of the cool parts of the show is non-poker related, I think you'll be in for a pleasant treat.

Thanks for the good answer.

Tableratings is missing some big pots I won. I'm still down like 900-1000k according to my PT but the vast majority of that was at rail heaven and not even 200/400. I don't know of a single good poker player who hasn't had a 10-15 buying downswing in their career. Check some of the old hh's and you'll cringe.

Tableratings is missing some big pots I won. I'm still down like 900-1000k according to my PT but the vast majority of that was at rail heaven and not even 200/400. I don't know of a single good poker player who hasn't had a 10-15 buying downswing in their career. Check some of the old hh's and you'll cringe.

i know they have me down 2k at 2/4 but they missed a couple sessions when i took like 3 and 4 buy ins off ppl so i know they miss hands at times so i dont really go buy it.

Emil, I really like your videos, but I think 200bb deep with antes is not something that most people play, actually just ftp have those tables. I know its anoying to have to play with shortstackers sometimes but I think it would be better to emulate the real enviroment of a 6max table.

Maybe I am missing something, but when I look at pokertableratings I see this downgoing curve with a $1,6m loss.
Is that site at all accurate?
I mean, hard to find the motivation to watch if the instructor is a losing player, no?

Challenge Whitelime to HU4ROLLZ then? Or just talk @#$% from the rail...

jimmy - of course results matter - they're the only yardstick we have. nobody asks at the end of the year: 'how many people did you outplay?'

that said, results are a pretty extensive composite flattened into a single number. sure, take a look, but go a bit further and try to evaluate how well someone thinks about and approaches the game

Awesome, like always!

One of the best videos I have seen. Well done, you played extremely well imo and explained your thought process for each hand very clear. Very impressive.

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How much more worried are you about a heart on the river if you don't have the J ? Enough to change a Q or K river into a check/fold?

Also are there any hands in your range that you would bet/call instead of bet/fold or just shove on a bad rivercard? From your commentary it sounds like it would be a great spot for him to turn a lot of his hands into bluffs if the river hits any part of his range. Or is it just that unlikely that he will read your handrange correctly and also be able to pull the trigger giving you such great odds?

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in that J9s hand where you said that your hand looks pretty strong on the turn when the flop gets checked through and you did not expect to get bluffraised there very often.

i actually think in Tim0thee's spot this is a pretty good spot to bluffraise, just because giggy could not have much of a hand here and you could be leading with your whole range (i disagree with you saying your hand looks pretty strong on the turn)...