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Search and Destroy: Episode Three

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Search and Destroy: Episode Three by sthief09

Sthief09 brings in DC member YUMMYBUFFET to review some hands from his play at 100NL.

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Sthief09 is back for another season, helping out DC's loyal members at 6max NLHE. This season he'll be searching through members' databases in an effort to destroy leaks that have been holding them back. Viewers will learn how to pick up on leaks in their own databases via reading into stats, running filters, and reviewing hands.

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  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 69 minutes long
  • Posted 10 months ago

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Steppin Razor

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Time Link to 00:34:13

Hey Josh. Where did you get the percentage for facing a 4b?

Posted about 1 year ago

Pokerfarm

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Time Link to 00:26:43

Am i right to think that if our bb/100 in this situation is better than -100bb/100 then we are doing better by defding than if we were folding?

Posted about 1 year ago

inavacuum

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ESET finds nothing malicious in the mp4 file. It's very likely you're experiencing a false positive, especially if Malwarebyte's flags anything called Search and Destroy as malware (which they may well do, considering their main competitor is a program called Spybot: Search and Destroy). If they're actually being very honest it could also be that they think the file is a rogue version of Spybot.

Posted about 1 year ago

sthief09

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Hey Josh. Where did you get the percentage for facing a 4b?




I'm surprised that's not on the video. I might have chopped that part out. I've been making an effort to keep these vids roughly an hour max, because I know from my own video watching experience it gets tough after that. Sorry about that.

Filters:
3-bet preflop = True
Faced preflop 4-bet = True

Posted about 1 year ago

sthief09

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Am i right to think that if our bb/100 in this situation is better than -100bb/100 then we are doing better by defding than if we were folding?



Yes, and actually should have mentioned that in the SB opening, -50 bb/100 is breakeven.

Posted about 1 year ago

Steppin Razor

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I'm surprised that's not on the video. I might have chopped that part out. I've been making an effort to keep these vids roughly an hour max, because I know from my own video watching experience it gets tough after that. Sorry about that.

Filters:
3-bet preflop = True
Faced preflop 4-bet = True



That shows the hands played facing a 4b, but not the overall percentage it happens. Unless I'm missing it.

Posted about 1 year ago

Swaytje

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I think the 4bet% (14-17%) is a bit misinterpreted.
It's not like their range is 14-17% there, but 14-17% of what the actually open.
Which would be like.. 35% of hands on avg maybe?
So 14-17% would be about 6% of hands in range.

Which obviously is still pretty high.

Posted about 1 year ago

pressinbuttons

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Hi , I really liked this video, Is there a chance I can get those filters somehow?


Thank you

Posted about 1 year ago

Joe Tall

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Removed all the FALSE posts to get this thread back on track.

Posted about 1 year ago

sthief09

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That shows the hands played facing a 4b, but not the overall percentage it happens. Unless I'm missing it.




It's divided into the number of times he 3-bet (Filter; Did 3-bet = TRUE). That's why I had to make the table separately.

Posted about 1 year ago

sthief09

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I think the 4bet% (14-17%) is a bit misinterpreted.
It's not like their range is 14-17% there, but 14-17% of what the actually open.
Which would be like.. 35% of hands on avg maybe?
So 14-17% would be about 6% of hands in range.

Which obviously is still pretty high.




Yeah that's true. I don't remember exactly what I said but I think I was just going on the judgment that when I see a guy with a 17% 4-bet stat, I assume he's often 4-bet bluffing. But yes, context is very important. 4-betting 17% of a 10% open range is basically AA-KK,AK, whereas 17% of a 50% open range will include mostly bluffs.

Posted about 1 year ago

sthief09

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Hi , I really liked this video, Is there a chance I can get those filters somehow?


Thank you




Which filters? Episode 1 has a link to many filters: http://membervideos.deucescracked.com/sthief09/11812/Search%20and%20Destroy%20E1%20Files.zip

Posted about 1 year ago

sthief09

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Removed all the FALSE posts to get this thread back on track.




thanks Joe!

Posted about 1 year ago

54rookiee

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Hey Sthief09, awesome series!! Thank you so much!!

I actually posted this in the thread for the 1st video, but since this is the latest I thought posting here will be more likely to get a response.

I got one question in relation to some stats.

(WWsf-WtSD*W$@SD)*(1-WtSD), how can this reach 44%? I mean 1-WtSD is [65, 70]%, which means u need (WWsf-WtSD*W$@SD) to be [63,67]%. which means WWSF is greater than 63%+~(0.5*0.3)*100%~=78%.

this looks increditibly high.

btw, i have a stats of ~22/~19/~8.5. WtSD of 32.75% and W$@SD of 53.67 in about 10k hands in 50NL and I'm showing a negative profit. Does my stats have something to do with this?

Posted about 1 year ago

cpau33

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What is the standard 3bet % for a laggy player with similar stats as yummybuffet ? I mean, you often gave a low number (too passive) and a high number (too aggro) for differents stats. What are these number for the 3bet stats (approximately) ?

Because I play 24/20 and I 3bet 7,9% (with 56/53/48 succeed from btn/sb/bb). Is it too high because you seem to like 6%. And can the difference be that big between a 24/20 and a more laggy player at micros ? because I dont think people adjust that much to our stats (maybe im wrong tho)..

Posted about 1 year ago

cpau33

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Am i right to think that if our bb/100 in this situation is better than -100bb/100 then we are doing better by defding than if we were folding?



In that case, yummybuffet is doing well by defending. He is only -16bb/100 hands or something like that. So sthief09, why you said he must work on that and review hands?

Posted about 1 year ago

cpau33

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I dont really expect him to call the 3bet with 67s, 68s, 56s or something like that so pair+draw are less likely because its 3bet pot. Also, I agree with a turn check because we cant really get called by worst but what do you think about a c/c if we didnt have read that he folds flop a lot ? do you think this vilain can float on this type of flop and try to take it down on the turn with 2overs type hand ?

Posted about 1 year ago

sthief09

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What is the standard 3bet % for a laggy player with similar stats as yummybuffet ? I mean, you often gave a low number (too passive) and a high number (too aggro) for differents stats. What are these number for the 3bet stats (approximately) ?

Because I play 24/20 and I 3bet 7,9% (with 56/53/48 succeed from btn/sb/bb). Is it too high because you seem to like 6%. And can the difference be that big between a 24/20 and a more laggy player at micros ? because I dont think people adjust that much to our stats (maybe im wrong tho)..




Something I learned when doing this series is that depending on the site and stakes, it can really vary. If your 3-bet success rates are still low-50s or higher, you're stealing efficiently enough that it's probably ok. If it's lower then you may want to 3-bet less unless you're just exploiting your opponents by getting them to fold to too many c-bets.

Posted about 1 year ago

sthief09

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In that case, yummybuffet is doing well by defending. He is only -16bb/100 hands or something like that. So sthief09, why you said he must work on that and review hands?




yeah sometimes I forget about that. after that was pointed out, I paid more attention to that type of thing. in general though, the winrates don't mean much other than "review hands" or "don't review hands" and I should have said not to regarding this.

Posted about 1 year ago

sthief09

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I dont really expect him to call the 3bet with 67s, 68s, 56s or something like that so pair+draw are less likely because its 3bet pot. Also, I agree with a turn check because we cant really get called by worst but what do you think about a c/c if we didnt have read that he folds flop a lot ? do you think this vilain can float on this type of flop and try to take it down on the turn with 2overs type hand ?




I think you need a lot of equity to c/c because the river is going to be a tough situation considering our hand is face up and there are a lot of ugly cards. I don't think that's the case here, which is why I'm not a fan of check-calling. It's just not likely enough that he floated the flop. If I had a read that he makes 'protection bets' like betting those 88, 77, 98s type hands then I can see c/c c/f because we get to showdown a lot vs. those hands.

Posted about 1 year ago

cpau33

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I think you need a lot of equity to c/c because the river is going to be a tough situation considering our hand is face up and there are a lot of ugly cards. I don't think that's the case here, which is why I'm not a fan of check-calling. It's just not likely enough that he floated the flop. If I had a read that he makes 'protection bets' like betting those 88, 77, 98s type hands then I can see c/c c/f because we get to showdown a lot vs. those hands.


So you dont really expect 100NL player to float low flop like that with AK, AQ ?

that make sens to c/f if we dont think vilain will protect "light" or float tho.

Posted about 1 year ago

sthief09

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So you dont really expect 100NL player to float low flop like that with AK, AQ ?

that make sens to c/f if we dont think vilain will protect "light" or float tho.




i expect AK to 4-bet preflop, and AQ can flat the flop but that doesn't mean that it's right to bet or c/c the turn. if you c/c he may still bluff the river. it's really tough to be oop with a face up hand, especially without a read as to how likely or unlikely villain is to try and take you off that face up hand.

Posted about 1 year ago

cpau33

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i expect AK to 4-bet preflop, and AQ can flat the flop but that doesn't mean that it's right to bet or c/c the turn. if you c/c he may still bluff the river. it's really tough to be oop with a face up hand, especially without a read as to how likely or unlikely villain is to try and take you off that face up hand.


that makes sens. thx

Posted about 1 year ago

SnappieVouz

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The guy in this video is really like me, lol

since this week I am really busy tighten up, and I loved your idea about getting a chart for the CO. I feel kind of sad that you didn't do this for the SB and for the BTN, since I am pretty sure the guy in this video is, just like me, costing himself money by raising to much from the SB and BTN. Could you please show me a chart like you did for the CO, but then for the BTN and SB?

Loving this series. You can be so pro-active with this series, it has shown me lot of ways where I can improve. Thank you!

Posted 11 months ago

SnappieVouz

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Nevermind. Fixed it myself Smile

I did it by: load filter for BTN unopened higher then 35%. Then I saw I was winning. Then I put in a 35% range. Deleted the hands that fell out of that range from hole cards in HEM filter. And if I drop some hands my BB/100 will go up by 8 bb/100

Printed it, and proud owner of a 'hand chart' =)

Posted 11 months ago

SnappieVouz

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Why do we give up on a 9 hi rainbow flop? we don't have showdown value with Q hi, and if he has a hand like AJ, AQ, AK, QK... he probably folds? He won't fold PP's higher then nines,.. So wouldnt the turn become very easy to play if he does call?

Or do u think players like to float a lot on this kind of boards in 3bet pots? Why would they float?

Posted 11 months ago

sthief09

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The guy in this video is really like me, lol

since this week I am really busy tighten up, and I loved your idea about getting a chart for the CO. I feel kind of sad that you didn't do this for the SB and for the BTN, since I am pretty sure the guy in this video is, just like me, costing himself money by raising to much from the SB and BTN. Could you please show me a chart like you did for the CO, but then for the BTN and SB?

Loving this series. You can be so pro-active with this series, it has shown me lot of ways where I can improve. Thank you!



Well, you shouldn't lean on it too much but I do like the idea of having something to control you when you are about to raise it up with T5o. A lot of people raise A5o-A2o. I have no idea if it nets money or not but it's probably a good habit to fold them unless you have a specific reason to play them.
http://imageshack.us/f/59/btnraise.jpg/

BvB: If BB folds too much preflop when bvb, then you can raise closer to the button range. Against someone who likes to take flops IP or just doesn't fold too much overall, play something very similar to your CO range. You can play more AX, Kxs, Qxs and fewer small suited cards. Overall, it's similar to CO range but more opponent-dependent.

Posted 11 months ago

sthief09

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Why do we give up on a 9 hi rainbow flop? we don't have showdown value with Q hi, and if he has a hand like AJ, AQ, AK, QK... he probably folds? He won't fold PP's higher then nines,.. So wouldnt the turn become very easy to play if he does call?

Or do u think players like to float a lot on this kind of boards in 3bet pots? Why would they float?



A lot of it boils down to stack size:
- he can definitely have pocket pairs and suited cards that hit a pair or draw that won't fold.
- a 28/17 type can definitely peel with some hands he maybe shouldn't. that doesn't help unless we intend on 2-barreling. if he was a tight regular who's not completely straightforward, he could bluffraise small because it's very effective here. It's not a given that overcards, especially AK, AQ, AJ, fold.
- we don't have a read and that's going to make future streets more difficult to play effectively.
- IIRC I'm saying he should c/f a T turn, so that suggests QT's outs are far from clean, and they sometimes lead to an ugly situation OOP deepstacked.

I don't think a plan of betting and following through on an A, K, Q, J, or 8 is bad. I don't think it's as easy as betting and getting lots of folds though.

Relatively minor point given the specific circumstances in this hand, but you don't want to be c-betting too much in these spots. If you're 3-betting light, you're going to be inherently skewed toward weaker hands than stronger hands. If you c-bet too much it's very easy to just float or bluffraise you. I'd rather c/f the bottom of my range than start spewing because I think my opponents are taking shots at me. Some people can get away with the latter by being strong in the psychology department.

Posted 11 months ago



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