Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by NoahSD (Mid Stakes)

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Time Link to 00:02:58

If we're looking to get called by Ax, shouldn't we make the c/r substantially smaller? Say 225? I think a one pair hand is never calling this c/r but might sigh and call a smaller c/r.

Welcome , i liked the video!! Nice explanation on your hands and in good pace. Hope to c a lot like these in the future, all the best.
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I think you missplayed some hands or rather you missed a lot of value in some hands. I like your range based thought process, but sometimes you underestimated the probability that your opponents will check behind marginal hands, so that you should just value bet more often than try these many risky river c/r for example.

I thought there was going to be a new coach?! This is just sthief09 under a new screenname. You can't fool me!

...j/k but they do sound really alike!

I'm only 7 minutes in but had to write this.

I liked the video, great in depth analysis Noah. In the Q9 suited hand where you squeeze the the tag. What's your plan for the rest of the hand when he does go ahead and bet that flop instead of checking behind like he did? Thanks

If we're looking to get called by Ax, shouldn't we make the c/r substantially smaller? Say 225? I think a one pair hand is never calling this c/r but might sigh and call a smaller c/r.

This is a cool idea that I didn't think of at the time, but keep in mind that if I make it 225 here, or 140 more, I have to be called 2.1x as often as when I make it 295 more.

I think 2.1x is a little optimistic for this spot, but it's actually really close. I'd say that a low estimate for how often my sizing gets called here when he has Ax is like 33%, and a high estimate for how often Ax calls me with your sizing is like 70%. Even with those numbers (which I think are a little too kind to your sizing), my sizing is better once you consider that he sometimes has two pair here.

But, yeah, it's super close and I'm pissed at myself for not considering it at the time.

I thought there was going to be a new coach?! This is just sthief09 under a new screenname. You can't fool me!

...j/k but they do sound really alike!

I'm only 7 minutes in but had to write this.

LOL. You're right. That's kinda creepy, actually.

I liked the video, great in depth analysis Noah. In the Q9 suited hand where you squeeze the the tag. What's your plan for the rest of the hand when he does go ahead and bet that flop instead of checking behind like he did? Thanks

Glad you liked it.


I like raising small if he bets. Like if he bets 80 I'd go to like 210 or so.

Basically, with these stacks, I think that if I just call it's really likely that he checks back a ton of shit on most turn cards because this is a board where it's hard to imagine having much FE on a two barrel and there'd be like 270 in the pot with like 370 behind, so if he bets a decent amount with a hand that has decent equity against my shoving range, he's gonna be committed to a call. So, I think the best way to get the most money out of the hands I crush (JT/TT/lower FDs) is just to raise an amount that he can't ever fold to that leaves him unable to fold turn.

I still can't believe he took this line with AK.

Time Link to 00:12:12

can't we just jam pre?

ur good at making hands good vid. solid format, feels more like alot of spots that come up while playing everyday

WOW! I'm psyched for this series.

great video, really liked the format and hands included.

Time Link to 00:04:28

This hand beggining at 4:28 and ending at aroung 9:00 is the perfect example of how not to play the hand. Every mistake that could possibly be made was... which gives me an idea for a series where everyone sends their hands they played terrible and made mistakes in(including coaches) and a coach reviews common/terrible mistakes made by poker players to avoid in the future.

I do admire that you actually used this video even with some of the hands, it shows you're not scared to show you make mistakes as well and that everyone should do this kind of review to spot them.

can't we just jam pre?

Sure we can make a +ev jam pre, but the smaller preflop raise is better imo. It's reasonable to assume that the fish is going to play fit or fold a lot postfop, so if we raise pre + cbet a lot of board we often win his preflop limp + preflop call, while a shove just wins his preflop limp. And if our cbet plan fails we always have some showdown value, sometimes a bluffcatcher and sometimes a monster.

Great video, i really like the format!!

In the Q9s hand (29min) youre saying you save a little vs KQ, KJ hands on the KQJss board. How is this ? how are you planning to play this if he does bet ?, say the fish folds.

Already liked your contributions at PS+, so good to see you here.

About the point you made during the video of people that fold too much to 3bet being exploitable and you were talking about the reg on your left with a fold to 3bet of 71%, at minute 22. 71% while being on the high spectrum doesn't look extremely high to me, or I am wrong? Also you are 150bb deep and villain will have position on you, so I think you are going to get your 3bet called here much more often than that stat may suggest.
However more than the hand in itself I was interested in your view about folding too much to 3bet. It surely can't be a leak if the majority of the villains only 3bet 6% or lower. So my question is how to adjust to people that instead are trying to take advantage of your high fold to 3bet, what hands are you going to defend in position and OOP against villains that 3bet 8% or more? How often and in what spots do you throw in a 4bet bluff? How wide do you make your 4bet calling range in clear steal/resteal spots?

Ajax,
I don't know if I should feel flattered or offended .

Steve,
Hielko pretty much nailed my thought process.

Weekend,
I meant that I save a little bit of money the small % of the time (I'm gonna guess like 15%) that he checks back the flop with something huge. Then, if I whiff the turn, the action goes c/c and I c/c a whiffed river.

It's not a huge consideration here, but it does come up. I mainly mentioned it because there are similar spots where concerns like that are much bigger, so I wanted to squeeze that in.

dj,
Yeah... 71% isn't THAT high for a 2/4 reg, but it's high enough to justify some very light 3-betting.

You're right that his fold % isn't gonna be 71% in this spot because we're deep a bit deep and he has position and because I've been 3-betting a lot.

If I really wanted to calculate the equity of my 3-bet here, I'd have to guess how often he's calling this specific 3-bet and how often he 4-bets, guess how often he folds to a c-bet--maybe breaking it down by different boards--estimate how much I win on average when I hit various hands, how often I two barrel and win, etc etc etc. So instead of doing that, I just make a bunch of approximations and see if I can figure out if 3-betting's good from that. Here.. I can really quickly see that a 3-bet is good because I just have to overestimate his 3-bet fold % very slightly to make this a good 3-bet with uno cards planning to open muck any flop when called. I think that makes it pretty obv that 3-betting 45s is good here because the open mucking the flops assumption is a hugely pessimistic approximation.

You're right that at most mid-stakes tables you can be perfectly correct to fold pretty tightly to 3-bets. Playing against villains who do 3-bet very light is a bit too broad of a topic for me to get into here. The correct response just varies so much by opponent, stack sizes, position, history, etc. And I'm worried that if I suggest specific responses here, you'll end up using them in lots of spots where they wouldn't be good. The short answer is obv to raise fewer hands, fold to 3-bets less, and get it in lighter postflop when you call. I'm sure I'll get more in depth in some of my future vids.

around 27:00 where you had 55 in bb vs a short stack who limped in sb. Wondering why you didn't just jam it in pre.

this has already been answered in this thread

very cool format - much better than the replayer format due to the timing tells imo...

nice standard hands also
gg

Time Link to 00:08:02

QJh hand, Def just get it in on the flop with this stack for me. Its way to awkward of a stack to play oop and try to get tricky c/shoving the turn. You mentiond you didnt like how you played it anyway tho so thats fine

On the set of 3s hand on A347 board where we call a raise oop and flop goes check check and turn we bet he raises.. we need to 3-bet here everytime. This is a very common line (I think I attribute it initially to DJ Sensei) and it usually involves checking back the river a lot. Usually this is a dumb attempt at pot control or a semi-bluff from something picked up on the turn. In this case, it was the latter, as he had a double gutshot on the turn and had 10 outs against you.

In either case, you need to 3-bet I think. In the case he's semi-bluffing, he has an implied odds edge on you as he isnt going to bet on the river unless one of his 10 outs hits and your going to pay him off everytime. That and its always good to price out someones draws.

In the event he had a weaker hand going for a pot control, obviously you want to thrwart any of his attempts at pot control with your hand since you have such a monster.

Btw, the fact that he checked back a very good river for continuing his bluff because he missed illustrates his intentions of checking back any brick (for him) river

You also misplayed the KJ vs. set of 7s hand but not in the way you think. First of all, 3-betting the flop to 210 (which is equivalent to shoving, since you effecxtively commit yourself) would be terrible in this spot. If he has a weaker made hand he's c/r'ing for some odd reason, he is going to dump it. Unless he has a flush draw that doesnt have an overcard or straight draw attached to it, his draws fair very well against your hand, and arent going to be priced out. And I think a lot of his range IS monsters here, enough of it that you need to just call and reeval on the turn and see what he does.

The point here is you dont want to be so quick to stack off here. A lot of the time if he's on a semi-bluff with a flush draw and you call, he'll give up on the turn thinking youll snap him off and not wanting to get his flush draw in on bad equity. You want to utitlize your positional advantage here, and if you shove you are definitely not effectively using position. Protecting your hand is important, but it is less important when you are reacting to an aggressor and you have position.

As played, when you get to the turn I think you need to just call here, and fold to a river shove if you dont improve. I know its going to sound nitty, but that turn card hits your percieved range here well and if he's at all aware of this he'll know not to continue with any of his bluffs. Your hand has enough equity that I dont think you can fold here, but I honestly believe a huge part of his range is monsters and I also think if you just call here, he will never attempt any sort of bluff on a blank river.

On the hand where you had Q9 spades and 3-bet pf, I think pf is a little bit sketchy only because your folding equity is kinda minimal due to the fish. Its not that bad though by any means.

Anyways, the flop play I think is good. You have a strong hand, but you also have to think about his range here. This flop hits his range really really well. So well that I would not be comfortable getting all the money in on the flop. I think youll run into a set or two pair or AA here a ton. So yeh c/c on the flop is good. Turn is obv good and standard.

The river however, is really bad imo. I think his hand is really weak or is afraid to get a lot of money in (since he checked back the flop) and I really doubt he's going to put more money in for you because he'll probably be afraid of getting c/r'ed (which is exactly what you were planning to do). Plus even if you pull the c/r off, theres a very good chance he'll fold anyways because your line looks strong. So yeh betting here is better imo.

QJh hand, Def just get it in on the flop with this stack for me. Its way to awkward of a stack to play oop and try to get tricky c/shoving the turn. You mentiond you didnt like how you played it anyway tho so thats fine

I definitely think flop call is best here. As I said in the video, the problem with 3-betting is that I'm paying like 350 to win like 135 with pretty shitty equity when called. Just messing around with stove real quick, I get that we're gonna have about 33% equity here when called, so that means we'd need him to fold like 40% just to make the play break-even. Calling is clearly pretty profitable (unless I play like a retard on later streets ), so I def like calling.

You also misplayed the KJ vs. set of 7s hand but not in the way you think. First of all, 3-betting the flop to 210 (which is equivalent to shoving, since you effecxtively commit yourself) would be terrible in this spot. If he has a weaker made hand he's c/r'ing for some odd reason, he is going to dump it. Unless he has a flush draw that doesnt have an overcard or straight draw attached to it, his draws fair very well against your hand, and arent going to be priced out. And I think a lot of his range IS monsters here, enough of it that you need to just call and reeval on the turn and see what he does.

As I explained in the video, it's really hard for much of his range to be monsters hear because there are very very few monsters in his preflop range. There are also a ton of draws that he's almost definitely c/ring here. So this isn't true.

The point here is you dont want to be so quick to stack off here. A lot of the time if he's on a semi-bluff with a flush draw and you call, he'll give up on the turn thinking youll snap him off and not wanting to get his flush draw in on bad equity. You want to utitlize your positional advantage here, and if you shove you are definitely not effectively using position. Protecting your hand is important, but it is less important when you are reacting to an aggressor and you have position.

This is a bad thing, not a good thing. If he gives up with a draw on the turn that he would've stacked off with on the flop, then not getting it in on the flop is a big mistake.

As played, when you get to the turn I think you need to just call here, and fold to a river shove if you dont improve. I know its going to sound nitty, but that turn card hits your percieved range here well and if he's at all aware of this he'll know not to continue with any of his bluffs. Your hand has enough equity that I dont think you can fold here, but I honestly believe a huge part of his range is monsters and I also think if you just call here, he will never attempt any sort of bluff on a blank river.

I can't do this because he totally pwns me on the river. He's just gonna c/f all whiffed draws.

The river however, is really bad imo. I think his hand is really weak or is afraid to get a lot of money in (since he checked back the flop) and I really doubt he's going to put more money in for you because he'll probably be afraid of getting c/r'ed (which is exactly what you were planning to do). Plus even if you pull the c/r off, theres a very good chance he'll fold anyways because your line looks strong. So yeh betting here is better imo.

I think that his range after the flop check back and turn call has a good amount of Jx, a good amount of Qx, very little Kx, and the occasional draw that he played oddly preflop. I think that makes it a pretty clear c/r, since he'll prob bet/call a J but might not shove it himself (note stack sizes), he probably won't call with a Q on this river cause it's really gross, and he'll usually bet a K himself. Plus obv he'll bluff with whatever whiffed draws he manages to have here.

On the set of 3s hand on A347 board where we call a raise oop and flop goes check check and turn we bet he raises.. we need to 3-bet here everytime. This is a very common line (I think I attribute it initially to DJ Sensei) and it usually involves checking back the river a lot. Usually this is a dumb attempt at pot control or a semi-bluff from something picked up on the turn. In this case, it was the latter, as he had a double gutshot on the turn and had 10 outs against you.

In either case, you need to 3-bet I think. In the case he's semi-bluffing, he has an implied odds edge on you as he isnt going to bet on the river unless one of his 10 outs hits and your going to pay him off everytime. That and its always good to price out someones draws.

In the event he had a weaker hand going for a pot control, obviously you want to thrwart any of his attempts at pot control with your hand since you have such a monster.

Btw, the fact that he checked back a very good river for continuing his bluff because he missed illustrates his intentions of checking back any brick (for him) river

I think the odds that he continues on the river are way better than the odds that I'll get more money from him on the turn since he often has total air and since if he does have a draw, it's usually something extremely marginal. Obv there's a bit of value to protection, but most of the time he has either 0, 4, or 8 outs, and when he has 4 or 8 outs, there are often 2 rivers that I stack him on when he makes trips to my boat. So protection's not really worth much in this spot since there's just not much to protect from (his average equity against me here is gonna be like 10%).

I think you're totally wrong about the Kc being a good card for him to bluff. He pretty much never has a flush here and he should know that I know that.

3rd hand, 10mins in with 88 on KQ4hh, I've seen a few players advocate a c-bet for protection/value since a large amount of the deck sucks out on us and he can call with a fair deal worse. Checking to him gives him free cards and since he looks passive he probably doesn't bet with worse

Thoughts?

Sorry for the late question btw, just got round to watching. Looks like a good series, gonna go and watch the second!

I disagree with spinoli on the KJ hand and think Noah played it as well as you can in the video, but I also am not sold on the flop 3bet idea. Once you decide you aren't going to fold the turn (and I don't think you should) jamming is really you're only option. I'm not feeling the flop 3-bet since I'm not sure how many 2/4 regs are really going to spaz shove a draw against your 3-bet. However I think quite a few will fire a small second barrel (usually 60% of pot or less) on the turn trying to see a cheap river and we can shove over top of them when blanks hit on the turn.

The comment I found myself really disagreeing with is the 45s hand where you 3bet from the SB. At the end of the hand you make the statement that if you hadn't picked up trips on the turn you would not have c/c'd the 8s river since it ocmpleted so many draws. However all of the draws that were completed beat trips as well, so if we assume he won't value bet weak Ax (and they he would be strong Ax on the turn) and we are planning on folding to this river with bottom pair then we should fold to it now. Obviously after we see the SD we realize that this villain was trying to do a couple of things with the flop raise (rep Ax and end the hand or try to rep the completed draw on scary turns and rivers) and because of that it seems we should be calling against this villain on pretty much all rivers. But before we saw the SD you made some assumptions that were guiding your decisions in the hand and then kind of ignored them when you called the river on arguably the scariest card in the deck. That beind said I think the call is good because I think you just can't well disguised trips in 3bet pots against marginally aggro players when they take somewhat ridiculous lines.

long post to say that I kind of disagree with your rationale behind calling or folding on the river, even though I totally agree with your play on the hand.

Time Link to 00:19:36

Great analysis of villain's range when you are c/r on KQs7 flop. You
explain your reads and recommended actions quite sensibly throughout the video. Cool format, too.

Time Link to 00:29:17

Your plan is to c/c?

Time Link to 00:27:00

Its funny, you said you wouldnt call if you didnt hit a 5 cuz this card makes spades and 64, what doesnt make sence, cuz flush or straight>tripse or pair. So if you dont expect him to bet weak Ax you should call anyway?

Oops... sorry I took so long to respond to these. Forgot to check this thread.


drsmooth,
I don't think there's any value there. It's very unlikely he has a smaller PP, and if he does, he's fairly likely to fold it anyway. Protection is a pretty small concern for a few reasons:

1) It's generally a pretty small concern in NL just because folding out hands that have like < 20% equity in the pot isn't very significant compared to getting him to make a mistake for a half pot to pot-sized bet.
2) In this case, he has very few hands that are behind that have decent equity against me because his preflop range probably includes very few hands that have two overs to 8x.
3) Any hand that actually does have at least 6 outs against me here actually has at least 10 outs (except exactly A9), so they'll often call or raise a bet anyway, and I'll pretty much always end up losing the pot against them if I bet.

jim,
In the KJ hand, my experience with Stars 2/4 regs is that they're much more likely to get it in with a draw if I 3-bet here than to two barrel if I call. Anyway, I think it's close either way.

In the 45 hand, I think I did a bad job of explaining that I'm not talking in absolutes. When I say that I don't think he'll raise flop/check back turn/bet river with marginal hands, I mean that I think that they're fairly discounted. I also don't think I ever said that I think he won't take this line with something like AK/AQ/AJ.. I think that's actually not too unlikely given that he had to minraise the flop with something.

pretzel,
Thanks. I'm glad you liked the vid.

simple,
See my response to Jim in this post.

Time Link to 00:14:40

What I'm wondering here about your idea of c/b is that he should smell the rat, shouldn't he? I mean, my c/b range with air is like nothing, this board is perfect to c-bet, so why would hero not do this? If I were in his shoes, I'd c/f turn and river even with pockets now, while I would call a c-bet at the flop.