Bazclef
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86dd hand - If villain has the bare Ad in this situation this deep vs a strong player it looks like it'd be correct to play the hand the same way as he did here? It's going to be really tough for you to shove over his turn raise or call down with QJdd/QTdd let alone all the other flush combos.
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NoahSD
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86dd hand - If villain has the bare Ad in this situation this deep vs a strong player it looks like it'd be correct to play the hand the same way as he did here? It's going to be really tough for you to shove over his turn raise or call down with QJdd/QTdd let alone all the other flush combos.
Yeah.. it'd be a good line against me.
I'm not sure if it would be a good line against many other people, though. Honestly have no clue about people's general tendencies in my shoes in this spot, though my hunch is definitely to guess that there are very few people who fold flushes often enough to make that line good.
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WeekendWarrior
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Hey Noah nice vid once again!!
About the AJ hand you barrel turn and c/s river, vs what type of players do you do this, and does it change when you are only 100bb deep ? I agree its pretty clear his range is weighted to Qx, so prob not great spot to 3 barrel.. But how do you know villain will folds KQ etc ? and do you need to balance this by taking this line w strong hands also ? like AA,KK,AQ ?
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NoahSD
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Hey Noah nice vid once again!!
About the AJ hand you barrel turn and c/s river, vs what type of players do you do this, and does it change when you are only 100bb deep ? I agree its pretty clear his range is weighted to Qx, so prob not great spot to 3 barrel.. But how do you know villain will folds KQ etc ? and do you need to balance this by taking this line w strong hands also ? like AA,KK,AQ ?
The two barrel I do against non-stations. So basically anyone who I think usually folds 88 here I two barrel against.
The river c/r obv needs a few different things. It needs villain not to slowplay too much. It needs villain to bet river with Qx often enough to make the slowplays pretty much completely insignificant. And, it obv needs villain to fold Qx to a c/r almost always. I think those things are true of almost all TAG. There are TAGs who don't bet Qx on this river that often, but there are very few who slowplay often enough to make the c/shove no good. Prob the most common reason that I wouldn't take this line (besides not thinking of it, which I prob do like 80% of the time
) is if I thought villain just can't fold anything ever.
If we'd started the hand with 100 BBs and bet sizing remained the same (prob would), then on the river we'd be shoving like 1k into 2k, so I don't like it.
I don't ever need to balance my range. I just take the line I think is best with each individual hand. Sometimes that leaves my range really unbalanced, but it also earns me more money.
In this particular spot, I would c/shove strong hands. I definitely would not c/shove a hand as weak as AQ because I don't think we get called very often at all by worse than AQ, so I think AQ is behind his calling range even though we're way ahead of the range he gets to the river with. But I like c/shoving the nuts, for example, because I think he's betting the river with almost all hands he's calling a bet, and I think that the very rare times that he either calls a c/shove (either because he has a slowplay or because he heros with Qx) or gets to the river with some kind of double float or a made hand he wants to turn into a bluff or something are enough to make up for the times when he checks back QTs.
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