Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by KRANTZ (Mid Stakes)

Finally! Been looking forward to this.

Time Link to 00:24:41

why do you like 3betting on that board more than just bet/calling?
i mean you are keeping your range wider by 3betting (and potentially bluffing), but is that really worth a consideration on that board?
his raising range there is probably highly polarized between something like KJ+ and air, isnt it?

or is it just for balancing purposes?

edit: afterwards you mention most ppl slowplay a set there. isnt't it better to raise air+sets there (if you decide to raise there at all) instead of air+KJ+, since then there are more combos for you left to be calling with? (i mean having KJ in his shoes blocks more decent/bluffcatching hands than a set)

Krantz-

not sure of the time stamp but the hand you c/c c/c 88 on QTxT. Just from a game theory perspective should we be calling the turn with most hands with showdown value in spots like that bc in theory 88 beats all the hands that A high beats. So my question is how wide would you be peeling vs a turn barrell vs most opponents in spots like that on that type of board?

out of interest this player bmwmcoupe is the guy who is playing a heads up challenge with daniel negreanu, he's 2easy on 2p2, huge thread and radio interview about him

Time Link to 00:41:28

Definitely second the recommendation for Ninja Warrior. It's awesome.

Time Link to 00:09:50

How do you spell these so called frequencies?

I def was playing my c game at best, was like 5-6 tabling hu after a 12 hour sesssion.was playing much higher games so didn't have much interest on this game

The kq hand i don't mind the flop raise, my default is def a call but i def didnt think u would give me any credit on that board, and u mite spazz shove ace hi or whatever.

the a7 riverraise i kinda like, didn't think u would think i would turn a made hand into a bluff and i thought my value range was pretty wide here

the a2 lead was awful, i thought i was the pre flop leader and was cbetting


would def enjoy to keep this match going , fun to play krantz

How do you spell these so called frequencies?

Please be JNCO... 1998 throwback...

Please be JNCO... 1998 throwback...

I´m officially confused.

Please stop talking about what you are not allowed to talk about and focus on the action instead.

Krantz-

not sure of the time stamp but the hand you c/c c/c 88 on QTxT. Just from a game theory perspective should we be calling the turn with most hands with showdown value in spots like that bc in theory 88 beats all the hands that A high beats. So my question is how wide would you be peeling vs a turn barrell vs most opponents in spots like that on that type of board?

You shouldnt be calling with all hands that A high beats, you should be calling a certain absolute value of hand strength some of the time. The frequency with which you call depends on the player, the hand value depends on what types of hands you defend in the BB.

why do you like 3betting on that board more than just bet/calling?
i mean you are keeping your range wider by 3betting (and potentially bluffing), but is that really worth a consideration on that board?
his raising range there is probably highly polarized between something like KJ+ and air, isnt it?

or is it just for balancing purposes?

edit: afterwards you mention most ppl slowplay a set there. isnt't it better to raise air+sets there (if you decide to raise there at all) instead of air+KJ+, since then there are more combos for you left to be calling with? (i mean having KJ in his shoes blocks more decent/bluffcatching hands than a set)

Calling is also a good option, anything other than folding is good - you just run the risk that he slows down with Kx some of the time. With KKK, I'd call of course.

It's not great to raise air + sets because even though that makes more combos of hands that I can call with (if he has a set), he'd still stack my King most of the time by flatting, and it encourages me to continue bluffing. The K9x board is pretty much a 100% c-bet board for most players who reraise often when they flop nothing.

I def was playing my c game at best, was like 5-6 tabling hu after a 12 hour sesssion.was playing much higher games so didn't have much interest on this game

The kq hand i don't mind the flop raise, my default is def a call but i def didnt think u would give me any credit on that board, and u mite spazz shove ace hi or whatever.

the a7 riverraise i kinda like, didn't think u would think i would turn a made hand into a bluff and i thought my value range was pretty wide here

the a2 lead was awful, i thought i was the pre flop leader and was cbetting


would def enjoy to keep this match going , fun to play krantz

yah gg man ill look for you on stars maybe we can continue this summer

Please stop talking about what you are not allowed to talk about and focus on the action instead.

Do you have any questions about something I wasn't paying attention to? I'm happy to answer.

Time Link to 00:31:43

I wtched this vid for no good reason, beeing a LHE player. May I just say this was totally sick. I didn't understand anything lol. Ur brain must explode with all that knowledge about board-texture, ranges, what he will and won't do etc. It was insane. Just to get some explanation here. At this time stamp u say that it is a great spot to 4 bet K4s. Why?

It's just complete magic for me. All these pf 3-bet, folds etc. I don't get the logic at all . Guess I should start with some beginners content. This was disgusting !

Time Link to 00:36:15

you said you are almost always going to barrel the turn when called, but doesn't most player just call with Ax on that flop as well? It is because you have seen him raise with KQ previously (but that was 100bb deep and KQ is stronger there than say AT here) or do you just think Ax isn't a large part of his call 3BET range? Thanks!

Time Link to 00:28:11

Can you give a bit more explanation on this 99 hand where you Cb the flop KQx, that's pretty much turning your hand into a bluff right? Sure you can get value from 3rd pair and Ax sometimes, but you also risking getting c/r by Kx or gutshot hands here. Would you fold to a c/r here if he c/r to 130 for example?

Also, that A turn was a good card for you to bet to take away the pot, but if the turn/river comes 2 blank cards like 5s 2s, would you bet or check back the turn? And if you bet turn, do you bet river as well? If you check the turn, and your opponent bet out 2/3 pot on river, do you fold?

Sorry, that's a lot of questions, I just think it's an interesting hand the way you played it as I would almost always check back a hand like this in this spot (I will check back some weak Kx hand here to balance my range too), so I really wants to know why it is bad in your opinion.

great vid.
Could you please turn on bet amounts though? Options --> Display bet amounts

Time Link to 00:11:34

What are we doing on non diamond non 4 non 9 river? What cards are better for us to bet the river with and why? If we were to bet what would our betsizing be?

UNSTOPPABLE

Insanely busy today shooting, will get to these questions over the weekend and any others people have, Happy July 4!

Yes please elaborate on the spelling/origin/defintion of this JENCO? JANKO? JENKO? frequency.

Time Link to 00:23:59

Been encountering these spots lately, when I get two big hands at the same time against the same villain. Appearantly you want to ship it with both your hands at this state, and I kinda noticed that you went back and forth with your mouse a bit as you were trying to decide with hand to act with first. Was this decision conscious or just pure random?

Im into the ways of thinking if it matters at all like "fish always bets their strong hand first 'cause it's a instant decision" while regulars more often than not bet their strong hand last to induce more spazzouts...

Thoughts on this? (edit; my timeline aiming wasn't überprecise so back up a few seconds)

edit2; What if these hands occurred like the two hands where u 5bet one and folded one in the very end (2x 4bets from villain) and he said like "lucky pick".. Which hand would you act on first just for sake of picking? The one he 4betted first or last if you had to choose which one to 5betbluff without any other decent piece of info?

//end ribberish thoughts

I cant understand this guy he down on stars and fulltilt over the last year and doesnt seem to play too much same as whitelime are these guys living on there old winnings and now cant beat the high stakes games anymore? How can these guys be doing this series if they cant beat online high stakes?

I cant understand this guy he down on stars and fulltilt over the last year and doesnt seem to play too much same as whitelime are these guys living on there old winnings and now cant beat the high stakes games anymore? How can these guys be doing this series if they cant beat online high stakes?

If you want to play me at high stakes we can see about that can't we? I can even make a video of it for everyone.

you said you are almost always going to barrel the turn when called, but doesn't most player just call with Ax on that flop as well? It is because you have seen him raise with KQ previously (but that was 100bb deep and KQ is stronger there than say AT here) or do you just think Ax isn't a large part of his call 3BET range? Thanks!

Combinatorics. His 3b call range includes many Ax hands but also many gutshots, flush draws, 9x and pocket pair hands.

Can you give a bit more explanation on this 99 hand where you Cb the flop KQx, that's pretty much turning your hand into a bluff right? Sure you can get value from 3rd pair and Ax sometimes, but you also risking getting c/r by Kx or gutshot hands here. Would you fold to a c/r here if he c/r to 130 for example?

Also, that A turn was a good card for you to bet to take away the pot, but if the turn/river comes 2 blank cards like 5s 2s, would you bet or check back the turn? And if you bet turn, do you bet river as well? If you check the turn, and your opponent bet out 2/3 pot on river, do you fold?

Sorry, that's a lot of questions, I just think it's an interesting hand the way you played it as I would almost always check back a hand like this in this spot (I will check back some weak Kx hand here to balance my range too), so I really wants to know why it is bad in your opinion.

It's a bluff. I'd generally be betting most turns/rivers here, but betting the flop is not my standard. It's just an alternative line you can take when you have a relatively in line image against what is usually a very weak range of hands.

If you want to play me at high stakes we can see about that can't we? I can even make a video of it for everyone.

I don't think that "hu4rollz" shouting answers that question at all...

PTR shows you down 30 buy-ins in NL5k hu, 17 buy-ins down on NL1k hu, 17 buy-ins at NL100k and significant amounts also at NL2k and NL1k 6max. I have no doubt in that you can beat NL1k easily, but those results really aren't that impressive, so I do think he's question was somewhat valid.

And I'm answering to you in advance: no I won't play against you, I'm a smallstakes player myself.

I don't think that "hu4rollz" shouting answers that question at all...

PTR shows you down 30 buy-ins in NL5k hu, 17 buy-ins down on NL1k hu, 17 buy-ins at NL100k and significant amounts also at NL2k and NL1k 6max. I have no doubt in that you can beat NL1k easily, but those results really aren't that impressive, so I do think he's question was somewhat valid.

And I'm answering to you in advance: no I won't play against you, I'm a smallstakes player myself.

spot on. It's just childish to go "HU4ROLLZ", esp. since he knows that the chances of it's actually happen is pretty much zero if he does not have P.A. for some wierd reason as a subscriber. What would have been interesting tho is to see a match(es) between the mocker and the mocked at microstakes just for the glory.

Taking someone out of his comfort zone at perhaps 10-20-30 his stakes and play him there is just b.s. If u wanna prove yourself krantz beat him up at the micros.

edit: I think you're great, that was just a übercrappy response to a subscriber, seriously.

i actually think jenko is overrated, and possibly that even the application of which is bad vs STRONG players

Been encountering these spots lately, when I get two big hands at the same time against the same villain. Appearantly you want to ship it with both your hands at this state, and I kinda noticed that you went back and forth with your mouse a bit as you were trying to decide with hand to act with first. Was this decision conscious or just pure random?

Im into the ways of thinking if it matters at all like "fish always bets their strong hand first 'cause it's a instant decision" while regulars more often than not bet their strong hand last to induce more spazzouts...

Thoughts on this? (edit; my timeline aiming wasn't überprecise so back up a few seconds)

edit2; What if these hands occurred like the two hands where u 5bet one and folded one in the very end (2x 4bets from villain) and he said like "lucky pick".. Which hand would you act on first just for sake of picking? The one he 4betted first or last if you had to choose which one to 5betbluff without any other decent piece of info?

//end ribberish thoughts

Random, I wouldn't get too caught up in this. Really difficult to interpret what your opponent will think of either so might as well not give off any information and randomize which hand you act on first.

spot on. It's just childish to go "HU4ROLLZ", esp. since he knows that the chances of it's actually happen is pretty much zero if he does not have P.A. for some wierd reason as a subscriber. What would have been interesting tho is to see a match(es) between the mocker and the mocked at microstakes just for the glory.

Taking someone out of his comfort zone at perhaps 10-20-30 his stakes and play him there is just b.s. If u wanna prove yourself krantz beat him up at the micros.

edit: I think you're great, that was just a übercrappy response to a subscriber, seriously.

My answer always is and always will be the same to that question, I'm sorry. If anyone wants to play me, they can until I refuse them action. PTR doesn't get all hands and it doesn't get all sites. I also hadn't played a large sample size of poker this year until this challenge started. You don't have to watch my videos if you don't think I can beat those stakes.

Edit: There is a huge difference between constructive questions and ones that are just full of haterade. Keep the haterade in NVG on 2+2 and these forums will be better for it.

PTR shows you down 30 buy-ins in NL5k hu, 17 buy-ins down on NL1k hu, 17 buy-ins at NL100k and significant amounts also at NL2k and NL1k 6max. I have no doubt in that you can beat NL1k easily, but those results really aren't that impressive, so I do think he's question was somewhat valid.

When you're winning and losing zillions at 500/1k, 25/50 and below is a good place to spew off money to de-tilt. :-)

Ill never understand the hate. Have any of you guys ever heard of sample size? You would think that some of you had never played poker before.

My answer always is and always will be the same to that question, I'm sorry. If anyone wants to play me, they can until I refuse them action. PTR doesn't get all hands and it doesn't get all sites. I also hadn't played a large sample size of poker this year until this challenge started. You don't have to watch my videos if you don't think I can beat those stakes.

Edit: There is a huge difference between constructive questions and ones that are just full of haterade. Keep the haterade in NVG on 2+2 and these forums will be better for it.

fair enough, altho' it's always better to show your greatness to someone in disbelief by actually playing them instead of "lez play highstakes4rollz lol". Anyway, just for curiousity's sake, how low would you accept to go in stakes just to play a subscriber like me for a session or two? No video included(for obvious reasons or question=poop). And if it's totally uninteresting to play a random subscriber let's say we have a personal beef

First the bitching to whitelime, now the bitching to krantz.

Pretty LOL imo.
In poker there is luck involved, so if even Tiger woods or Messi have a losing match, how can you expect Krantz and Whitelime will always win?

Sorry for continuing this... Thanks KRANTZ anyway answering and not just ignoring these questions. Hope we'll see you back at the nosebleeds soon.

Ill never understand the hate. Have any of you guys ever heard of sample size? You would think that some of you had never played poker before.

So, have you had 110k hand streaks losing 2.6ptbb/100 lately? That's what PTR shows... and for him it means losing over 50 buy-ins in 110k hands and in stakes that were lower than he's used to playing before.

I don't wanna be hating, KRANTZ videos are probably the best ones at DC, but I still think that the original question was valid.

Whitelime's PTR stats are different tho... in his case you can explain it with a downswing, since his sample size is smaller, and he's actually winning in other stakes, but has lost a ton on nosebleeds.

fair enough, altho' it's always better to show your greatness to someone in disbelief by actually playing them instead of "lez play highstakes4rollz lol". Anyway, just for curiousity's sake, how low would you accept to go in stakes just to play a subscriber like me for a session or two? No video included(for obvious reasons or question=poop). And if it's totally uninteresting to play a random subscriber let's say we have a personal beef

I'll do you one better, I'll play you when the cameras are rolling :-) Just PM me we can set it up.

There is no doubt KRANTZ is a great player but imo there is also no doubt in my mind he cannot beat the high stakes games 110k hands is a big enough sample for anyone to no if they are a winning long term player or not.

There is no hate in any of these comments just statements about questionable results and i think these should be expected questions by KRANTZ from players who are here to learn and move up thereself. Taking it personally and challenging all the subscribers to high stake hu is not productive for anyone. It would be entertaining tho just like his videos for most of us are for entertainment as we dont play the limit he tries to play in his videos. Maybe some low stake games against subscribers would be entertaining and fun for everyone to see.

Maybe making some comments about your experience through this would be more productive we all no online poker is getting alot harder even at the low limits so its no shame for a player to now not be able to beat the high stakes just because he once could.

I'll do you one better, I'll play you when the cameras are rolling :-) Just PM me we can set it up.

THat's the thing , there is selfinterest when you are filming,(contributing to dc.) But you should be instead this to those that are actually flaming ze madskills of yours. I got no interest in getting my named asskicked all over the interwebs haha.

an episode vs cadx2 would be interesting, but it would probably detriment both you and him if you realized its potential...

this is if he's actually on the level i think he's on, and i'm pretty sure he is!

an episode vs cadx2 would be interesting, but it would probably detriment both you and him if you realized its potential...

this is if he's actually on the level i think he's on, and i'm pretty sure he is!

He got crushed yesterday, hope we'll get a video of that match

He got crushed yesterday, hope we'll get a video of that match

who is cadx2?

this is not meant as haterade I like your vids best of all ones online...

I would like to see you talk more about the opponent and this specific match(and the actual game in general), and less about the show... you obviously cant say anything about it yet, and we'll all get the info when it airs. I'm here to learn poker!

Time Link to 00:19:13

On the JT hand isnt this a good spot to c/r the river?

I know you had been bet/bet a lot after he checked back (must say he was checking back to often IMO), but this is a spot where he would bet/call a 9.
He also didnt seem to like a calldown to often (given the A7 hand) and he might bluff the river, given he can have quite a few 9's in his range.

Also since he never has a full house or flush and he may 3bet bluff the river.

Thought on this Jay?

On the JT hand isnt this a good spot to c/r the river?

I know you had been bet/bet a lot after he checked back (must say he was checking back to often IMO), but this is a spot where he would bet/call a 9.
He also didnt seem to like a calldown to often (given the A7 hand) and he might bluff the river, given he can have quite a few 9's in his range.

Also since he never has a full house or flush and he may 3bet bluff the river.

Thought on this Jay?

He doesn't have many hands that could conceivably bluff the river if I checked. What kind of no pair hands does he have that checked back the flop?

He won't bet a king, or a queen, or anything less than that if I check, but he'll definitely call with them very often. There are only 2 9s in the deck and many more combos of non-betting (but calling hands), so betting is far and away the superior option.

holler.

He doesn't have many hands that could conceivably bluff the river if I checked. What kind of no pair hands does he have that checked back the flop?

He won't bet a king, or a queen, or anything less than that if I check, but he'll definitely call with them very often. There are only 2 9s in the deck and many more combos of non-betting (but calling hands), so betting is far and away the superior option.

holler.

Cool good points - I though maybe his range was weighted more to 9x than a King because I expect a king to bet flop but given the flop is monotone its definitely conceivable he has a king as often as he has 9 (maybe more often as he would bet to protect with a 9).

Jay, do have 1 more question.
I would assume you would shove (or 3bet) river if he raised your river bet. Know it is kinda thin but what hands can he have that beat you?

I never found out what JENKO frequency is. Was this explained somewhere?
Does anyone know the answer? Thanks!

I never found out what JENKO frequency is. Was this explained somewhere?
Does anyone know the answer? Thanks!

I will make sure this is explained in an upcoming episode of the series from someone else in the 2M2MM cast...