Time Link to 00:14:14
table2, JJ
isnt like super standard to not 3bet a nit that never calls unless hes got AA and stuff?
on the flop i bet the guy is never turning TT-KK into a bluff by cbetting so i fell like its an easy fold vs him.
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Time Link to 00:14:14
table2, JJ
isnt like super standard to not 3bet a nit that never calls unless hes got AA and stuff?
on the flop i bet the guy is never turning TT-KK into a bluff by cbetting so i fell like its an easy fold vs him.
Time Link to 00:18:14
table4, K4s bvb AXXA flushdraw
i say that the A turn pairing the board its a nice card for us to bet/folding:
we 3bet preflop, we cbet Axx board so we "should" charge draws on turn w/ our trips.
on the other hand:
- it is less likely for him to have an A
- he would heve raised the flop w 2pairs+
- its less likely that he will continue with his pocket pairs or flush draws on a paired board.
Nice job as always Jared.
table2, JJ
isnt like super standard to not 3bet a nit that never calls unless hes got AA and stuff?
on the flop i bet the guy is never turning TT-KK into a bluff by cbetting so i fell like its an easy fold vs him.
40 hand sample doesn't mean much. He could just be super card dead, but assuming that he is a nit, I do prefer flatting pf. To reiterate my comments from the video, even "nits" are cbetting that board with alot of their range. I would always call atleast once.
table4, K4s bvb AXXA flushdraw
i say that the A turn pairing the board its a nice card for us to bet/folding:
we 3bet preflop, we cbet Axx board so we "should" charge draws on turn w/ our trips.
on the other hand:
- it is less likely for him to have an A
- he would heve raised the flop w 2pairs+
- its less likely that he will continue with his pocket pairs or flush draws on a paired board.
Flush draws don't constitute but a few combos of hands because it's hard to have diamond/diamond and they can be discounted some since he didn't raise the flop. Betting the turn and shoving the river has the ability to move him off of his pairs but people rarely fold those for one more bet on the turn.
Great vid as always. Keep it up!
Around 55 minutes where we defend AJhh to a button three bet and turn a nut flush draw with the Kh, do you think there is any merit to check shoving the turn? I think the button is likely the bet a huge portion of his range on the K that he will fold to a shove, and if we get called we're very likely to have between 9-12 outs? Or is this too spewy?
So far I think Ron is missing game flow and kinda just clicking buttons. The K4s is a decent 3bet hand but he just 3bet villain on the other table and I would and people are suspicious in BvB so I prefer a fold.
You also remark the T8s is a good iso raise OOP vs a limper. I feel like IP we can profitably iso there but OOP it seems like a tough/thin spot to put ourselves in.
Around 55 minutes where we defend AJhh to a button three bet and turn a nut flush draw with the Kh, do you think there is any merit to check shoving the turn? I think the button is likely the bet a huge portion of his range on the K that he will fold to a shove, and if we get called we're very likely to have between 9-12 outs? Or is this too spewy?
I think c/r turn has quite abit of FE but most of the hands that b/f are not made hands and are nearly drawing dead. So unless he bluffs the river alot with that air, it's very likely that c/c is better than c/r. After rewatching the hand, I think the river is actually quite close between c/c c/r and c/f. I honestly think it's quite difficult depending how often he bluffs river and if he can vbet a queen.
So far I think Ron is missing game flow and kinda just clicking buttons. The K4s is a decent 3bet hand but he just 3bet villain on the other table and I would and people are suspicious in BvB so I prefer a fold.
You also remark the T8s is a good iso raise OOP vs a limper. I feel like IP we can profitably iso there but OOP it seems like a tough/thin spot to put ourselves in.
You should watch limeaid if you think ron 3bets alot
. Against the kind of guys who are limping at 100nl, you're prolly missing a little value not raising T8s.
I think the clicking buttons comment is quite rude and not at all justified based on that video. Everyone makes "mistakes" when they play.
I think the clicking buttons comment is quite rude and not at all justified based on that video.
Agreed, seems like Ron plays very well. Nice vid
Agreed, seems like Ron plays very well. Nice vid
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ya i thought ron played well in the vid and Jk3a is one of my fav vid authors. Jk3a you do a great job of idenifyign board textrues and this is a 3 barrel board bad card to two barrell. 1 question some playres at SSnl in the games i play peel super light overs gutters random crap and i 3 bet alot so the amount of credit i get isnt much. That being said since at 50 and 100nl i see so much random crap i barrell alot even if its a terrible card to barrell and im not reppign anythning but theres no way they are smart enought to realize it or if they do no way they will exploit it. So when do you see people starting to exploit things barrelling too much. I feel like most ppl dont play fully rolled at SSNL so they are less likely to bluff raise turns in a spot ur range is full of air.
Also one more thing when you talked about opening pots with bad players behind you. I couldnt agree more bc the regs rarely adjust when ur opening as much as even 30% of your range since they just play their game and dont worry about you as much until they have a hand they want to play. Also people react so poorly in general playing against you when you are the one opening the pot and as long as your hands are reasonable opening from any posiiton should be profitable as long as you dont pay off the times you run into hands
Agreed, seems like Ron plays very well. Nice vid
+2 Yes I think he played pretty well too - especially considering he was running terribly early on. Loved the call down with AT!
QQ hand at 3:50
How do you feel about bet sizing on the turn? $33 with $41 behind.
With the AJ at 41:00 i'd be very tempted to c/r to about 23 as Ozboy will be betting his entire range here and we rep a super strong hand but what i'd be struggling to know what to do if called. Would it then be standard to bet turn shove river? Would it matter too much on the turn and river cards whether we barrel off?
Jon, love your vids too, fwiw i think that QQ betting $25 leaving $50 behind gives the illusion of fold equity to our opponents who may think we're steaming from the previous hand. But then again betting bigger could look like we're steaming so villians may shove lighter with that thought anyways no matter the bet size. Just my 2 cents.
1. When he calls the AI with JJ in minute 22:30 you say that he has 40% equity most of the time and that he has to call.
On which 3bet handrange do you put an unknown who hasn't 3bet much yet? JJ+, AK, AQs?
2. If you have 40% equity, isn't that a fold?
112,5*0,4-87,5*0,6= -7,5
3. In 57:55 when he has 333 I would prefer a really small bet againt a player who is obviously a fish. Something like 6$ in the 19$ pot. So we have 31$ at the river, and he has 15$ left. I am not sure if this will change his calling range, what do you think? I often see fishs raising AI with air when they are confronted with a small bet in a small pot, so the main reason to bet small would be to induce a bluff.
4. In the hand where he folds AQ to the ps bet. You put villain on an 8? So would you fold AJ, AT also? Any 8 and KQ would be a call I guess and raise only with a fh - is that right?
btw. nice video
QQ hand at 3:50
How do you feel about bet sizing on the turn? $33 with $41 behind.
With 75 behind and 50 in pot, I think overall sizing plan from flop is not quite optimal. Either something like 1/2 pot bets 3x or bigger on flop and ship turn is prolly better.
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ya i thought ron played well in the vid and Jk3a is one of my fav vid authors. Jk3a you do a great job of idenifyign board textrues and this is a 3 barrel board bad card to two barrell. 1 question some playres at SSnl in the games i play peel super light overs gutters random crap and i 3 bet alot so the amount of credit i get isnt much. That being said since at 50 and 100nl i see so much random crap i barrell alot even if its a terrible card to barrell and im not reppign anythning but theres no way they are smart enought to realize it or if they do no way they will exploit it. So when do you see people starting to exploit things barrelling too much. I feel like most ppl dont play fully rolled at SSNL so they are less likely to bluff raise turns in a spot ur range is full of air.
Against the loose/bad opponents you can def get away with barreling in some spots that wouldn't be good against better/more std villains. To answer your "when" question, I would say that I've seen WoT barrel away all the way up to 25/50 against certain villains and that it's more of a villain thing. Most players won't bluff raise the turn. The better your opponent and the more solid their ranges, the more the stuff I talk about with barreling matters.
With the AJ at 41:00 i'd be very tempted to c/r to about 23 as Ozboy will be betting his entire range here and we rep a super strong hand but what i'd be struggling to know what to do if called. Would it then be standard to bet turn shove river? Would it matter too much on the turn and river cards whether we barrel off?
Jon, love your vids too, fwiw i think that QQ betting $25 leaving $50 behind gives the illusion of fold equity to our opponents who may think we're steaming from the previous hand. But then again betting bigger could look like we're steaming so villians may shove lighter with that thought anyways no matter the bet size. Just my 2 cents.
I do think c/r is reasonable. Whether or not to barrel is a tough question and really depends on how light he can call turn/river. I will say that his c/r calling range on flop in my mind would be Ax, weaker overpairs, and some slowplays.
1. When he calls the AI with JJ in minute 22:30 you say that he has 40% equity most of the time and that he has to call.
On which 3bet handrange do you put an unknown who hasn't 3bet much yet? JJ+, AK, AQs?
2. If you have 40% equity, isn't that a fold?
112,5*0,4-87,5*0,6= -7,5
3. In 57:55 when he has 333 I would prefer a really small bet againt a player who is obviously a fish. Something like 6$ in the 19$ pot. So we have 31$ at the river, and he has 15$ left. I am not sure if this will change his calling range, what do you think? I often see fishs raising AI with air when they are confronted with a small bet in a small pot, so the main reason to bet small would be to induce a bluff.
4. In the hand where he folds AQ to the ps bet. You put villain on an 8? So would you fold AJ, AT also? Any 8 and KQ would be a call I guess and raise only with a fh - is that right?
btw. nice video
1&2. We're talking about a 4bet shoving range btw. The range you picked is def the bulk of what I expect to see. That said, your math shows that it could be a close fold but without better reads I almost always call there because of the "wtf" factor where people show up with stuff we can't explain. People tilt and play really bad which I think is enough to make it a call.
3. I really like your idea of betting very small on turn.
4. I would expect him to bet an 8 most of the time on the flop. Mostly AJ/TT, maybe AK. Not sure if AJ is a fold or not. It depends if he can bet AK like that. I am almost certain though that villain is not bluffing river here like ever.
Thanks for watching.
QQ hand at 3:50
How do you feel about bet sizing on the turn? $33 with $41 behind.
Jon / jk3a - would you suggest a smaller, say half pot, turn bet to induce action and/or price in mid pair type hands, which are a big part of villain's range? If called, this would leave a pot of $100ish, with about a half pot bet left behind. What amount do you prefer to leave behind for the river?
Great vid, well played ron. I enjoyed the clear commentary and stopping to discuss key hands, thanks.
Just wanted to say once again how great your vids are jk3a. Hands down the best six max vids on the site.
Great vid, agree yours are some of the best on the site.
As for what I want to see more of in the future, I personally really enjoy this format.
So far I think Ron is missing game flow and kinda just clicking buttons. The K4s is a decent 3bet hand but he just 3bet villain on the other table and I would and people are suspicious in BvB so I prefer a fold.
You also remark the T8s is a good iso raise OOP vs a limper. I feel like IP we can profitably iso there but OOP it seems like a tough/thin spot to put ourselves in.
I think the results of the hand show why I chose to 3 bet there. I don't expect him to fold preflop all the time. The fact that he played so passively with kqs shows that I'll be able to outplay him on a lot of flops, turns, rivers. He hit one of few good flops for his hand. Most of the times he misses and I win.
Thanks for all the kind comments guys. I appreciate all the feedback!
I think the results of the hand show why I chose to 3 bet there. I don't expect him to fold preflop all the time. The fact that he played so passively with kqs shows that I'll be able to outplay him on a lot of flops, turns, rivers. He hit one of few good flops for his hand. Most of the times he misses and I win.
agreed
That call at 46:00 or so with AThh was pretty gangster. That's a spot where I might call if I had TT-88 and 66-44 but really in that spot AT has the same value as the pocket pairs I listed - well done.
Time Link to 00:50:39
Table 3 , SB 76s , we fold , only reason i can see for folding here is because we are OOP , hand is multiway , donk in the BB , i dont think im ever folding any SC here , is that a leak ?
Also there was a raise from MP earlier in the video and we folded like 56s / 45s hand on the btn not sure of which but im almost always calling with my SC when i have position on the player , i got this from baluga who says you can always out play your opponent once you have postion
There was a hand just before this time line where we had KJo and the Hijack opened and we folded in the BTN , before the hand you just talked about how it was one of the first thing in poker we learned to fold hands like KJo to UTG raise but how about UTG + 1 ? i call with a wide range of hands when ever i can have position , perhaps im calling with to wide of a range since it includes almost all SC , 2 gapped suited , high cards , just looking to pounce on weakness , maybe theres alot more sqz play happenin at 100nl than 50nl which makes callin IP less attractive but do you think this may be a leak for me ?
Great video so far !
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1 thing i did notice was Rons cbet sizing , you noticed it once but i see alot of spots where hes cbetting what seems to me to large where he could get away with less
Time Link to 00:56:01
AJs on table 1 , i dont see why we are check calling over check shoving , wouldnt we maximise fold equity by c/raising , by check calling if we miss the river we get put into a terrible spot where we could be c/f the best hand w/A high , also if we do manage to hit a heart we arent going to get paid off ..... unless he has a hand .. hmm in which case we would want to c/c rather than c/r cas hel just call anyways .. ive confused myself
Could you explain why your just calling here again im a bit lost ?
Time Link to 00:58:59
Regarding the hand on table 3, where the flop goes check/check and we lead the turn, I agree with your commentary that after our opponent calls, we need to be firing the river also. I am wondering what your thoughts are on river bet sizing though? We are presumably repping trip Aces, a flush or a full house, so is overbetting best here to maximize fold equity (while appearing plausible for our repped value range), or will a standard sized bet achieve the same amount of folds?
I'd def peel the turn with OE against the fish there
agree
Table 3 , SB 76s , we fold , only reason i can see for folding here is because we are OOP , hand is multiway , donk in the BB , i dont think im ever folding any SC here , is that a leak ?
Also there was a raise from MP earlier in the video and we folded like 56s / 45s hand on the btn not sure of which but im almost always calling with my SC when i have position on the player , i got this from baluga who says you can always out play your opponent once you have postion
There was a hand just before this time line where we had KJo and the Hijack opened and we folded in the BTN , before the hand you just talked about how it was one of the first thing in poker we learned to fold hands like KJo to UTG raise but how about UTG + 1 ? i call with a wide range of hands when ever i can have position , perhaps im calling with to wide of a range since it includes almost all SC , 2 gapped suited , high cards , just looking to pounce on weakness , maybe theres alot more sqz play happenin at 100nl than 50nl which makes callin IP less attractive but do you think this may be a leak for me ?
Great video so far !
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1 thing i did notice was Rons cbet sizing , you noticed it once but i see alot of spots where hes cbetting what seems to me to large where he could get away with less
I think c/r turn has quite abit of FE but most of the hands that b/f are not made hands and are nearly drawing dead. So unless he bluffs the river alot with that air, it's very likely that c/c is better than c/r. After rewatching the hand, I think the river is actually quite close between c/c c/r and c/f. I honestly think it's quite difficult depending how often he bluffs river and if he can vbet a queen.
Regarding the hand on table 3, where the flop goes check/check and we lead the turn, I agree with your commentary that after our opponent calls, we need to be firing the river also. I am wondering what your thoughts are on river bet sizing though? We are presumably repping trip Aces, a flush or a full house, so is overbetting best here to maximize fold equity (while appearing plausible for our repped value range), or will a standard sized bet achieve the same amount of folds?
This hand really vexes me. I think I do like overbetting the river as a bluff alot. I think a regular sized bet gets looked up alot more often by weak Ax and JJ-KK type hands. That said, I don't necessarily hate ron's bet on the turn just for protection, but I do think we likely have a profitable river bluff spot once called.
Table 3 , SB 76s , we fold , only reason i can see for folding here is because we are OOP , hand is multiway , donk in the BB , i dont think im ever folding any SC here , is that a leak ?
Also there was a raise from MP earlier in the video and we folded like 56s / 45s hand on the btn not sure of which but im almost always calling with my SC when i have position on the player , i got this from baluga who says you can always out play your opponent once you have postion
There was a hand just before this time line where we had KJo and the Hijack opened and we folded in the BTN , before the hand you just talked about how it was one of the first thing in poker we learned to fold hands like KJo to UTG raise but how about UTG + 1 ? i call with a wide range of hands when ever i can have position , perhaps im calling with to wide of a range since it includes almost all SC , 2 gapped suited , high cards , just looking to pounce on weakness , maybe theres alot more sqz play happenin at 100nl than 50nl which makes callin IP less attractive but do you think this may be a leak for me ?
Great video so far !
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1 thing i did notice was Rons cbet sizing , you noticed it once but i see alot of spots where hes cbetting what seems to me to large where he could get away with less
not ever folding SCs there is def a leak.
folding some of the weaker hands IP like 56s/KJo are def debatable depending on general game plan and what types of ranges our opponents are opening and how well they play postflop. Constantly trying to outplay people is really not how the money is made. Granted, Baluga is a very skilled player and prolly plays a bit diff pf than I do, you may be taking his advice too far.
I'm sure there are some betsizing things ron could do better, as we all could.
Far and away the best producer at these stakes. Consistent clear explanations of concepts. Thorough and accurate. Keep it up.
Really enjoyed this vid. Great analysis and very good play by Ron.
More linkwood vids plz ![]()
Time Link to 00:15:01
I flat call JJ a lot, why not just play the hand post flop instead of 3-betting and fold everything that I beat, and get raised by better, or bluff raised by worse?
Second question i have is.. If we call the flop bet because people c-bet a lot on boards like this, why do we fold to a turn bet then?
People do second barrel, right? And doesnt the villian put us on exactly what we have (a mid pair)?
I don't know how many ace x type hands we would call with?
Okay, the flat calling with JJ you already answered. I was a bit to soon with my question ![]()
I flat call JJ a lot, why not just play the hand post flop instead of 3-betting and fold everything that I beat, and get raised by better, or bluff raised by worse?
Second question i have is.. If we call the flop bet because people c-bet a lot on boards like this, why do we fold to a turn bet then?
People do second barrel, right? And doesnt the villian put us on exactly what we have (a mid pair)?
I don't know how many ace x type hands we would call with?
people do second barrel i just contend that he's not bluffing enough to call the turn
Time Link to 00:36:53
I like the limping on the BTN, i do this to. But what I don't do, is limp/fold
If a fish limps UTG/MP, and I limp behind cause I don't feel like raising. A regular isolates by raising, the fish calls, isn't it more profitable to call since we play a bigger pot now with the fish + position?
I don't understand why limp/folding is the right play
people do second barrel i just contend that he's not bluffing enough to call the turn
Because people play way more straight forward than most people think?
or: People bluff way less then you think ?![]()
Time Link to 00:50:40
Is Squeezing (Openraiser has high PFR) or calling an options with 76s?
Please help me, i think i would'nt fold this hand in this case.
Thaaank you :-)
Is Squeezing (Openraiser has high PFR) or calling an options with 76s?
Please help me, i think i would'nt fold this hand in this case.
Thaaank you :-)
I think it's pretty marginal spot and you can make a good argument for all 3 options.
Bump for an extremely good video. Thanks JK3a, really thoughtful and in-depth analysis on every hand.
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