Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by Ansky (High Stakes)

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with the 99 hand isnt it best just to phrase it as if you call, call or move in you get stacked by the same number of overpairs, so if he has overs he hits like the whatever 15% of the time so as long as with those hands he bluffs more than this i.e. 20% of the remaining 85% then call is better rather than trying to assume if he bluffs all the time or not because he doesnt have to bluff all the time he misses.

with the 99 hand isnt it best just to phrase it as if you call, call or move in you get stacked by the same number of overpairs, so if he has overs he hits like the whatever 15% of the time so as long as with those hands he bluffs more than this i.e. 20% of the remaining 85% then call is better rather than trying to assume if he bluffs all the time or not because he doesnt have to bluff all the time he misses.

yes

How would you look to balance the c/c c/c donk shove the river line with the 78s hand?

I don't mean to come across like a douche here, but Blah is totally asian, right?

How would you look to balance the c/c c/c donk shove the river line with the 78s hand?

Your actual range doesn't needs to be balanced, only your perceived range matters and how much credit you give the guy for folding each part of their range.

How would you look to balance the c/c c/c donk shove the river line with the 78s hand?

ck call down with air then open jam river!!!

nah but seriously, really hard to have a bluffing hand on that riv, which is why I dont like his shove.

Time Link to 00:24:02

Another factor I think is important here is that the times he does hit his 6 outer he's probably too bad to valuebet it.

Time Link to 00:27:03

Ansky, do you think that there is any merit to bet/folding KK here? What do you think villain does with Jx both to a bet and to a check? Would villain turn a hand like QJ into a bluff to make us fold our overpairs and better Jx?

with the 99 hand isnt it best just to phrase it as if you call, call or move in you get stacked by the same number of overpairs, so if he has overs he hits like the whatever 15% of the time so as long as with those hands he bluffs more than this i.e. 20% of the remaining 85% then call is better rather than trying to assume if he bluffs all the time or not because he doesnt have to bluff all the time he misses.

Dani/Blah - In spots like this, is it also correct to say that whether or not we will be priced in against his value range on the river is a major consideration?

i.e. if we will be priced in vs his value range on the river (even if he never bluffs), then it doesn't matter what we do vs that part of his range, so that's when we need to consider what has more value vs his air - either jamming to protect or leaving him rope to bluff. But if we won't be priced in vs his value range on the river anyway, then it's better to call/decide on the river based on how often we think he's bluffing, since then we play more perfectly vs his value range which is beating us?

Basically, when we will be priced in vs his value range on the river anyway so it doesn't matter what we do vs that part of his range, is protection more of a consideration, but less of a consideration when we won't be priced in vs his value range and thus by calling instead of protect/jamming we give ourselves a chance to play more perfectly?

I realizse he's rarely value betting worse in this exact hand, but I'm speaking about spots similar to this where our opponent can be.

Sorry if the way I'm asking seems a bit convoluted.

Ansky, do you think that there is any merit to bet/folding KK here? What do you think villain does with Jx both to a bet and to a check? Would villain turn a hand like QJ into a bluff to make us fold our overpairs and better Jx?

Problem is how many Jx are 2 pair, and that they ALWAYS call, but the non 2 pairs sometimes fold.

Dani/Blah - In spots like this, is it also correct to say that whether or not we will be priced in against his value range on the river is a major consideration?

i.e. if we will be priced in vs his value range on the river (even if he never bluffs), then it doesn't matter what we do vs that part of his range, so that's when we need to consider what has more value vs his air - either jamming to protect or leaving him rope to bluff. But if we won't be priced in vs his value range on the river anyway, then it's better to call/decide on the river based on how often we think he's bluffing, since then we play more perfectly vs his value range which is beating us?

Basically, when we will be priced in vs his value range on the river anyway so it doesn't matter what we do vs that part of his range, is protection more of a consideration, but less of a consideration when we won't be priced in vs his value range and thus by calling instead of protect/jamming we give ourselves a chance to play more perfectly?

I realizse he's rarely value betting worse in this exact hand, but I'm speaking about spots similar to this where our opponent can be.

Sorry if the way I'm asking seems a bit convoluted.

Yes obviously we need to consider all of that. I'm not sure if that exactly answers your question though, if you can be more specific I could answer more.

Time Link to 00:54:09

Ever think about leading out on this flop? I tend to think check calling hands like this on fairly barrel'able board kinda sucks. By leading you can still rep hands like sets (assuming you balance it) and you take over controll of the pot. I especially like it in a spot like this where you can probably barrel the fish of on alot of turn/river big cards as fish seem to like to fold on those.

Good video! I like your thought process Ansky, think you explain stuff in a good and theoretically sound way. However, I quite dislike Blah´s way of thinking, no offense but seems way too poor for NL1k.

I don't mean to come across like a douche here, but Blah is totally asian, right?

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Would you call on the river in KhTh on the river if 3h or 7h comes on the river? I think you should call because he could have overpair a lot.

And in the 78s hand. Would you call a check-raise on the turn with overpair if you would be him?
I put your range in pokerstove and it is a clear fold if you have overpair or Tx

Board: 6d 2s 5c Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 09.528% 09.53% 00.00% 1308 0.00 { JJ+ }
Hand 1: 90.472% 90.47% 00.00% 12420 0.00 { TT, 66-55, 22, 7s6s }
And even if you add every 67s i think it is still fold.

Would you call on the river in KhTh on the river if 3h or 7h comes on the river? I think you should call because he could have overpair a lot.

And in the 78s hand. Would you call a check-raise on the turn with overpair if you would be him?
I put your range in pokerstove and it is a clear fold if you have overpair or Tx

Board: 6d 2s 5c Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 09.528% 09.53% 00.00% 1308 0.00 { JJ+ }
Hand 1: 90.472% 90.47% 00.00% 12420 0.00 { TT, 66-55, 22, 7s6s }
And even if you add every 67s i think it is still fold.

I don't think I'd ever fold a flush on the river in the KhTh hand.

The 87s hand I think villain has about 25% equity with AA vs an actual shoving range so it's easy fold BUT actual range and perceived range are very different and it's hard to bluff someone off an overpair. I think I said in the vid if you think that villain is likely to fold an overpair I'd shove there.

Ever think about leading out on this flop? I tend to think check calling hands like this on fairly barrel'able board kinda sucks. By leading you can still rep hands like sets (assuming you balance it) and you take over controll of the pot. I especially like it in a spot like this where you can probably barrel the fish of on alot of turn/river big cards as fish seem to like to fold on those.

I agree in general with donking or c/r with good draws that have no SD value, because otherwise when you take c/c lines you are so vulnerable to get blown off the pot, but with the fish in there I kind of like just check calling and maximizing the chance of letting you both get to the turn. I think you have such high implied odds vs the fish when you hit that I'd prefer to change my strategy to keep him in the pot for longer.

Would you call on the river in KhTh on the river if 3h or 7h comes on the river? I think you should call because he could have overpair a lot.

And in the 78s hand. Would you call a check-raise on the turn with overpair if you would be him?
I put your range in pokerstove and it is a clear fold if you have overpair or Tx

Board: 6d 2s 5c Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 09.528% 09.53% 00.00% 1308 0.00 { JJ+ }
Hand 1: 90.472% 90.47% 00.00% 12420 0.00 { TT, 66-55, 22, 7s6s }
And even if you add every 67s i think it is still fold.

A much more reasonable perceived range is:


board: 6c 5s 2s Th
Hand Equity Wins Ties
6s7s, 6s8s, as6s, 7s8s, 9s8s, 7s9s, 55, 22, 66, TT 74.55% 3,444 0
AA 25.45% 1,176 0


This is obviously also not weighted at all. He might perceive you to frequently c/r a set on the flop and weigh those down.

The only reason I don't necessarily like a shove on this hand (though usually the above range is evidence enough that a shove is pretty damn good), is that I think his range is very strong betting into the two of you twice. Still shoving can't be so bad.

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saucy guy.

Time Link to 00:52:48

great point about whether or not someone actually jams on a brick

people like to make decisions entirely based on the card when we also have the information of our opponent's action taken. a very good friend/winning 5/10 reg frequently has bragged 'i knew it; he had air and i would have called river with [bluffcatcher].' this is of course AFTER the opponent has given up. in reality, he should be more inclined to fold the river if a similar spot repeats...

I don't mean to come across like a douche here, but Blah is totally asian, right?

Whats it got to learning about poker? Get your priorities right.

Whats it got to learning about poker? Get your priorities right.

YEAHH!!! Plus, he's probably not even Asian.

great series keep it up

great point about whether or not someone actually jams on a brick

people like to make decisions entirely based on the card when we also have the information of our opponent's action taken. a very good friend/winning 5/10 reg frequently has bragged 'i knew it; he had air and i would have called river with [bluffcatcher].' this is of course AFTER the opponent has given up. in reality, he should be more inclined to fold the river if a similar spot repeats...

Yes, I have talked about that exact concept in videos before. In reality though it's usually somewhere in between, just because the guy didn't shove with air that one time, doesn't mean he wont the next time.

of course. in the balance series i talked about how value hands fall on a generally linear range, with slight exceptions due to blockers. that is, on a 1-10 scale, you might valuebet 8,9,10 on the river. however, you might also valuebet 6 if it has some critical blocker (like a flush card) such that it has a higher EV than 7 when bet.

bluffs don't really work the same linear way and it can be difficult to assign bluffing frequencies. in fact, there is a huge risk of assuming someone always/never bluffs based on their action in one or two spots, especially if it consistent.

Time Link to 00:24:00

ansky, i play in these games also. Problem with calling is that villain wont think he has FE to jam river with this psr. Obv problem with jamming is that its bad from a theoretical standpoint. At what point (and to a lesser extent) and with which hands do you being to think jamming>calling?

Just watched the season like it was a long film. Great stuff. Would like to get to hear a little more from Blah. Ansky your obviously great and your the coach but you do interrupt him and put him down a little too often imo. Sorry to put a downer on an otherwise fantastic watch.