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The More the Merrier: Episode Two

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The More the Merrier: Episode Two by DosXX

DosXX continues his series with the topic of play from early position complete with theory and hand examples.

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DosXX improves and expands your game selection skills in the LHE world by expanding on the finer points of moving between Mid-stakes 6max and Full Ring games.

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  • Game: lhe
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 53 minutes long
  • Posted 10 months ago

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Comments for The More the Merrier: Episode Two

gendeLic

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Time Link to 00:29:39

Im not exactly sure what you are selling here, or more if I understand you correctly. Are you saying that your flop continuation bet in that case wasn't good? Or any bet on that turn after your flop continuation bet isn't good? I mean you said won't get called on that flop with worse. For me that means I don't bet this flop.
Further if the ranges are so small is there a point in just calling sometimes with the exact same range. I'm aware that looks super strange and probably brings in more players, though our hand seems to be killed anyway if theres an ace out there.

Posted about 1 year ago

DosXX

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Im not exactly sure what you are selling here, or more if I understand you correctly. Are you saying that your flop continuation bet in that case wasn't good? Or any bet on that turn after your flop continuation bet isn't good? I mean you said won't get called on that flop with worse. For me that means I don't bet this flop.
Further if the ranges are so small is there a point in just calling sometimes with the exact same range. I'm aware that looks super strange and probably brings in more players, though our hand seems to be killed anyway if theres an ace out there.



The flop c-bet is standard but betting the turn would be bad.

I mean you said won't get called on that flop with worse. For me that means I don't bet this flop.

Well, we have to consider the alternatives. Checking the flop turns our hand pretty much face up and lets our opponent bluff us on the turn, which means by foregoing the flop c-bet, we can sometimes lose the whole pot to a worse hand, whereas c-betting means we win the pot when we have the best hand (still a decent %) and only lose the 1/2 small bet when we have worse.

Posted about 1 year ago

CrazyLond

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Time Link to 00:34:04

I don't really understand this flop check. I agree that there are many 4 way spots where we should not cbet, but it seems like with the paired board, we are likely to have the best hand here a lot. Betting would allow us to retain the initiative, gain value from random overcard hands we are up against and possibly gain information which will help narrow our opponents' ranges. I think retaining the initiative would make our decision a lot easier on the turn. Depending on the action after our bet and what falls on the turn, we can value bet some turns for a free showdown, continue to bet some for value, check some scarier ones for a freecard or check others to induce a river bluff.

Posted about 1 year ago

BigBadBabar

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Time Link to 00:15:46

If this is a rainbow flop I feel fine checking back almost any turn and giving up on the hand. Even with the flush draw I thought it was pretty close. You mentioned that vs a flush draw "we're doing fine" but probably almost any flush draw here has two overs to our pair so they're basically flipping with us. So vs some chunk of his range (ace high) we're drawing to two outs and vs some chunk of his range (flush draws) we're about a flip. I think I just talked myself into wanting to check back the turn here regardless of flush vs nonflush flop. What do you think?

Edit: I mean yes there is money in the pot and we need to protect our equity in it but when this player type continues on this type of flop it's overwhelmingly an ace imo. Aren't there way more combos of Ax than of flush draws?

Posted about 1 year ago

BigBadBabar

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Time Link to 00:18:59

Are you checkraising 99+ on this flop (if you hadn't capped pre)? A8s? Flush draws?

Posted about 1 year ago

BigBadBabar

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Time Link to 00:31:28

I don't mind a cbet here - we have the best hand a decent amount of the time, and have a nut backdoor draw as well as our overs. We can then take a turn free card if we see fit, whereas often if we check the flop someone will bet the turn and all the times we want to call it costs an extra small bet. So I look at the flop bet as somewhat gathering information for us. Plus I mean a clean six outer here could easily fold the flop. I guess I don't dislike a flop checkback either but for some reason I can't put my finger on it makes me uncomfortable.

Posted about 1 year ago

BigBadBabar

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DosXX

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If this is a rainbow flop I feel fine checking back almost any turn and giving up on the hand. Even with the flush draw I thought it was pretty close. You mentioned that vs a flush draw "we're doing fine" but probably almost any flush draw here has two overs to our pair so they're basically flipping with us. So vs some chunk of his range (ace high) we're drawing to two outs and vs some chunk of his range (flush draws) we're about a flip. I think I just talked myself into wanting to check back the turn here regardless of flush vs nonflush flop. What do you think?

Edit: I mean yes there is money in the pot and we need to protect our equity in it but when this player type continues on this type of flop it's overwhelmingly an ace imo. Aren't there way more combos of Ax than of flush draws?



My intuition says it's a close bet on the turn. My stoving says it's an easy check. Smile

Board: 2d Ah 9d 4c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 13.223% 13.22% 00.00% 2688 0.00 { 66 }
Hand 1: 86.777% 86.78% 00.00% 17640 0.00 { ATs, A8s-A5s, A3s, KdQd, KdJd, KdTd, Kd9d, Kd8d, Kd7d, QdJd, QdTd, Qd9d, JdTd, Jd9d, Jd8d, Td9d, Td8d, 9d8d, 8d7d, AJo-ATo, A8o-A5o }

Really would have thought we had more equity, but i suppose the sheer number of Ax's is just far greater than flush draws. I like a check now.

Posted about 1 year ago

DosXX

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Are you checkraising 99+ on this flop (if you hadn't capped pre)? A8s? Flush draws?



Yes to 99+ and Yes to flush draws, No to A8s.

Posted about 1 year ago

DosXX

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RE not c-betting the flop with the A9s hand: my stoving says we have about our equity share in this pot. But, we have to figure in how our equity fares when we are called (when our opponents fold their J8o trash or whatever - where our equity will be much lower), vs. the gain when someone folds a hand they shouldn't (clean 6 outer say). That's a pretty daunting task because this is such a wide range spot, I'm not sure it's feasible to do the math.

I think that it's likely when we get called on this board we have to dodge much of the deck without knowing what our equity is on future streets when we have more than 1 caller. I think I'd rather see the free turn and how our opponents react (giving us information for free BBB, rather than 1 SB) then bet and possibly get raised or have multiple callers and not know what to do on many turns.

Posted about 1 year ago

cmewin

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I'm pretty sure we should bet the A9s flop 4-ways, if nothing more than for value or to fold out hands that have 6 outs.

Posted 7 months ago



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