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Duel: BalugaWhale (#2) - 400NL vs. four tet

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Duel: BalugaWhale (#2) - 400NL vs. four tet by BalugaWhale

BalugaWhale plays 2 tables of 400NL vs four tet on FullTilt Poker.

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  • Posted over 2 years ago

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maglame

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Slash1588

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Time Link to 00:41:18

Cool,back to hu !I think i agree much more with your 1rst thought(we can be valueowned a lot in this spot),cause so far i don't remeber any crazy 3bareling dynamic in 3betted pot.I mean,he has called light some flop bets,also some turn bets ,but i don't remember him hero calling any river in a 3betted pot.Due to his range i think it's very thin valuebetting a range that looks made of very poor bluffcatchers and a decent number of double pairs ,very few flushes(i guess he raises most of the times a flush on the turn to set stacks for a shove,but he also took some strange nuttish line), :if we don't think he will hero-call so much with,let's say K or worst,probably he should consider A2-A3-A4 -a5 A8 the same way .What led you to think he could call us light on that board?Do you see him betting worst if we check(do you see him valueowning himself in this spot)?I think it's really close due to the dynamics of the session.

Posted over 2 years ago

Slash1588

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In a 3betted pot u say ,after sizing an half pot bet,"i'll actually made it 42 cause of deepness".Why u used always the same size on your 3bet size even when you were 200x+?Is there any particoular reason or advantage that should lead us adjusting our preflop size based on deepness vs sizing alway the same?

Posted over 2 years ago

Squishee

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Why did you continue to min raise btns when you were getting over 200bbs deep?

Posted over 2 years ago

BalugaWhale

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Why did you continue to min raise btns when you were getting over 200bbs deep?



i think against a non-fish its unequivocally the best strategy

Posted over 2 years ago

aesah

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Time Link to 00:26:40

55 hand on left table:

You said he would be less likely to bluff since you checked back the flop, doesn't that make him more likely to bluff? Especially because overall, your range for checking behind on the flop seems very weak (you almost never check flop/bet turn). On that note, is it not a problem to have a weak range for checking behind the flop?

Great vid btw, especially liked the part about your dynamic OOP calling range depending on what boards your opponent barrels.

Posted over 2 years ago

BalugaWhale

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55 hand on left table:

You said he would be less likely to bluff since you checked back the flop, doesn't that make him more likely to bluff? Especially because overall, your range for checking behind on the flop seems very weak (you almost never check flop/bet turn). On that note, is it not a problem to have a weak range for checking behind the flop?

Great vid btw, especially liked the part about your dynamic OOP calling range depending on what boards your opponent barrels.



AAT is a board most people think ill be c-betting, and so when i check, i usually get a lot of shut-downs (people imagine i have a lot of Tx, K hi, etc. flop probably should've been a bet vs this guy to be honest. i usually check this because people with s tronger ranges oop usually hit that board harder

Posted over 2 years ago

Luke00016

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Time Link to 00:36:34

Is 3betting the KK on the flop out of the question? You're assigning a range of sets, draws, and some Jx. Do you expect a 3bet to just make his draws and Jx fold and sets to ship?

It seems like you're much more inclined to flat the c/r and let villain's actions on the turn tell you more about what part of that range he is likely to have, given that you have position and can evaluate villain's turn action.

Posted over 2 years ago

BalugaWhale

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Is 3betting the KK on the flop out of the question? You're assigning a range of sets, draws, and some Jx. Do you expect a 3bet to just make his draws and Jx fold and sets to ship?

It seems like you're much more inclined to flat the c/r and let villain's actions on the turn tell you more about what part of that range he is likely to have, given that you have position and can evaluate villain's turn action.


yep, thats what i expect. and yep, thats my plan. i d be really surprised if he goes for a double c/r with very many worse hands, and with the ones he has, id be really surprised if he didnt have a ton of equity with them.

Posted over 2 years ago

Ass Get to Jigglin

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Time Link to 00:11:44

great video Andrew, hopefully we'll see more HU from you in the future. Really like the way you teach.

T2- Why do you think he never has a King when he checks the river? If his check reps A high or some weakish pair, then wouldnt checking Kx there be pretty good since you will most likely value bet all the hands that will call river bet, and may value bet thinly with some hands that would fold to a river bet and/or you may bluff some small % of the time?


Also, your thought process for why the overbet is better than a standard sized bet when you think hes bluff catching in that spot got cut off by the action. can you finish your thoughts there?

Posted over 2 years ago

Ass Get to Jigglin

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Time Link to 00:19:23

T1- what value hands are you repping when u c/r the turn that wouldnt have c/r'd the flop?

Posted over 2 years ago

Ass Get to Jigglin

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Time Link to 00:24:36

T1- what's your plan on a brick turn if he calls flop? based on that, what's your river plan?

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Ass Get to Jigglin

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Time Link to 00:25:11

T1- what worse hands are you expecting to call you when you bet the turn with the 74s?

Posted over 2 years ago

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I think 3betting small PPs against minraisers is pretty bad. It plays bad both when he flats, as well as when he min-4bets. If we're facing off a 3x-er on the button, it's slightly better, since we can more comfortable ship over his 4bet, but against minraisers I think it's pretty bad. Care to elaborate on this?

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Ass Get to Jigglin

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Time Link to 00:28:48

T1- What would you do on that flop with a weak A high against him?

Would you value bet a strong A high like AK/AQ?

Posted over 2 years ago

BalugaWhale

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I think 3betting small PPs against minraisers is pretty bad. It plays bad both when he flats, as well as when he min-4bets. If we're facing off a 3x-er on the button, it's slightly better, since we can more comfortable ship over his 4bet, but against minraisers I think it's pretty bad. Care to elaborate on this?



A) the difference between 3x and 2x is less significant than people think in my opinion
B) in a very specific sense (that i'm not going to get into full detail here), i'm bluffing with small pairs. there are circumstances, though, when flatting pairs are better undeniably.

sick answers right guys

Posted over 2 years ago

BalugaWhale

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T1- what worse hands are you expecting to call you when you bet the turn with the 74s?



deuces draws and A hi

Posted over 2 years ago

BalugaWhale

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T1- What would you do on that flop with a weak A high against him?

Would you value bet a strong A high like AK/AQ?



prob bf a weak A hi, b-shove a strong one

Posted over 2 years ago

BalugaWhale

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T1- what's your plan on a brick turn if he calls flop? based on that, what's your river plan?



value bet turn i think, maybe value cr depending on turn. riv could be a lot of things, c/c or ship or c/f being my options.

sick answers again obv

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Ass Get to Jigglin

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prob bf a weak A hi, b-shove a strong one



betting a weak A high just to pick up dead money?

doesnt the fact that you are bet/jamming a strong Ace imply that you think he'll be bluff-raising you a bit, so doesnt bet/folding a weak A high seem kinda bad?

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Ass Get to Jigglin

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value bet turn i think, maybe value cr depending on turn. riv could be a lot of things, c/c or ship or c/f being my options.

sick answers again obv



what kinda of turns would you c/r on?

Posted over 2 years ago

Imfromsweden

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A) the difference between 3x and 2x is less significant than people think in my opinion
B) in a very specific sense (that i'm not going to get into full detail here), i'm bluffing with small pairs. there are circumstances, though, when flatting pairs are better undeniably.

sick answers right guys



Why would you want to bluff with something that plays so extremely bad postflop if played? Why not bluf with a hand that actually tends to flop some equity? Smile Almost any other hand plays better than small pps out of position in 3bet pots.

Posted over 2 years ago

woezy

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Why would you want to bluff with something that plays so extremely bad postflop if played? Why not bluf with a hand that actually tends to flop some equity? Smile Almost any other hand plays better than small pps out of position in 3bet pots.


I'm with Imfromsweden here, but haven't seen the vid and it is obv some opponent dependent.

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Ass Get to Jigglin

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Why would you want to bluff with something that plays so extremely bad postflop if played? Why not bluf with a hand that actually tends to flop some equity? Smile Almost any other hand plays better than small pps out of position in 3bet pots.



i think Andrew's point is that if the villain is folding enough to 3bets, then hes probably folding a lot of hands that have 50% equity against his small PP, which can be thought of as a bluff. So if the guy folds hands that have 50% equity against him, then thats better than playing post flop against that 50% equity when you are at a positional disadvantage.

While I'm not completely certain, I dont think he would 3bet the small pp's a lot if the opponent is calling a lot of 3bets.

Posted over 2 years ago

Ass Get to Jigglin

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Time Link to 00:30:31

T1- Do you think him making it $200 instead of just shipping changes the range you put him on at all?

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Ass Get to Jigglin

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Time Link to 00:38:25

T1- If he had a set wouldnt he want to just keep betting to rep a draw? do you think the double c/r with a set is good there?

Posted over 2 years ago

BalugaWhale

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clearly it wouldnt have been good as just betting (as I folded kk), but this hand i actually am quite torn about. i think a really likely holding for him is Jxhh. it would be a much easier ship at 100bb for me on the turn, but 200 makes things awkward.

Posted over 2 years ago

BalugaWhale

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T1- Do you think him making it $200 instead of just shipping changes the range you put him on at all?


i think it makes him less likely to have something like QT (that might just ship), but he either is value betting or pure bluffing, a good chance of either, and i have a sick number of outs vs the majority of his v-betting hands (incl the one he had, any J, 2, 6, or club)

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Ass Get to Jigglin

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Why would you want to bluff with something that plays so extremely bad postflop if played? Why not bluf with a hand that actually tends to flop some equity? Smile Almost any other hand plays better than small pps out of position in 3bet pots.



just watched the second half of the video and he was still 3betting them when the guy was calling a ton, so im curious as to his justification as well.

Posted over 2 years ago

BalugaWhale

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they dont play as bad in 3bet pots are you guys claim, in fact i think they play kinda good in 3bet pots

Posted over 2 years ago

Ass Get to Jigglin

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they dont play as bad in 3bet pots are you guys claim, in fact i think they play kinda good in 3bet pots



i understand the argument that the smaller stack to pot ratio that exists in 3bet pots means that the showdown value of the small pp's is good. But in practice, when you get called, now you are playing oop against a lot of hands that have 50% or better equity against you and the pot is bigger, but not so big to the point where position no longer matters much. So you are in a similar spot to what you would have been in had you just flatted (oop at a slight equity disadvantage), but the pot is bigger so your disadvantages are more costly, no?

like IFS asked, wouldnt you rather use bluffs that have more than 2outs when called?

Posted over 2 years ago

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Time Link to 00:29:47

You make a comment that he hasn't been overly aggressive, and wonder why he doesn't bluff K high on that board. But he knows if you have an Ace high he's going to have to barrel if he intends on getting you off since you checked back.

However, when he reraises you on the board you have jack 2 w/ flush draw, is he ever bluffing you? I think your call was a big mistake, best case scenario for you, he had 2 pair. You shipped, having to know that your only likely out is a flush draw. Based on your observation he wasn't getting out of line yet, your play makes no sense to me.

Posted over 2 years ago

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Time Link to 00:20:13

I don't like much the c/r turn on that board, i just don't think we've got much FE there since we c/r most of our value hand flop. Also his range for 2 barelling is either value hands or good draws that could come over the top.
I think the bet river is definitely spew, he only folds a missed fd that didn't shove turn imo. The time amount he took turn to call also made me think he was like " well i have the nuts, do i call do i shove ? "

don't get me wrong though i like the way you play him a lot so far =)

Posted over 2 years ago

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just watched the second half of the video and he was still 3betting them when the guy was calling a ton, so im curious as to his justification as well.



I think whether or not he's cbetting them after being called is probably more important than whether or not he's 3betting them, I don't see anything wrong with 3betting them and check/folding marginal flops when called, since it's really damn hard to stack a 200bb + button min-raiser by calling.

Posted over 2 years ago

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i don't think baluga was a favorite in this match

Posted about 2 years ago

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Time Link to 00:02:29

I think the A4o fold here on A3T5Q (no flush) is a good one. I think that QT, pocket queens, and KJ make a lot of sense for him to have here. AQ is possible but I think he bets the turn with it so it's unlikely.

Posted over 1 year ago



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