Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by BigBadBabar (Micro/Small Stakes)

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To get the ball rolling on discussion, what are your thoughts on a river sexy here BBB?

Villain seems too tight and passive for it to be worthwhile and I'm probably being results oriented, but against a more aggressive villain could we pull this off?

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Now after seeing him take this line with KK, in the same spot in the future would you be more inclined to c/c c/c c/f? or even just c/c c/f? I find myself getting into similar spots in low stakes game (1/2-2/4)
Also when he does check behind on the turn and the J rolls off are you b/f if he does decide to raise?

5 Stars, very solid stuff.

tell me the cards i have please guys, i can't get the timestamp to work

To get the ball rolling on discussion, what are your thoughts on a river sexy here BBB?

Villain seems too tight and passive for it to be worthwhile and I'm probably being results oriented, but against a more aggressive villain could we pull this off?

ah the QQ hand? i don't hate the idea vs two guys, but i really don't give the average villain at these stakes enough aggro-valuetowny-credit to assume he will bet a pair when checked to here. i prefer to just guarantee getting the one bet in by putting it in myself. plus the board was drawy and not dry so i can't be guaranteed they one or both have bettable made hands.

so i guess i'm saying i just prefer betting

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confirm.

Now after seeing him take this line with KK, in the same spot in the future would you be more inclined to c/c c/c c/f? or even just c/c c/f? I find myself getting into similar spots in low stakes game (1/2-2/4)
Also when he does check behind on the turn and the J rolls off are you b/f if he does decide to raise?

well in future i'd probably still be hard pressed not to show down an ace here by checkcalling all 3 streets. they can still be goofybluffing kqs or something or betting a worse pp for who knows why.

if i bet the riv and he raised that'd be kinda gross and i would tend to fold against an average lp villain, yes

5 Stars, very solid stuff.

ty sir, much appreciated

You said this was your last 1/2 video, are you planing to stay at tilt? I think most of the time it will be hard to find 4 2/4 tables there and it would really be interesting to see how the 20 tabeling nits at Stars would react to your laggy style, if they will adapt and fight back or let you run over them =)

You said this was your last 1/2 video, are you planing to stay at tilt? I think most of the time it will be hard to find 4 2/4 tables there and it would really be interesting to see how the 20 tabeling nits at Stars would react to your laggy style, if they will adapt and fight back or let you run over them =)

yeah, i'm planning to do the rest of this series at tilt, not sure about the next one because there aren't a lot of higher games on ftp compared to stars. but i can find 4 2/4 tables for sure, since the last 3 eps of this series are all going to be at 2/4.

and no, i don't think the nits would respond very well

Awesome vid again!

9:45 J8s coldcalled by the small blind, he donks. Do you in any way take the last hand in consideration that you played against him? i.e. that he maybe likes to play back at you for taking the same 'line' against him in the pot right before this one.

13:10 You start discussing the merits of raising hands lik QJs out of the big blind with a couple of limpers and that you dont have to cbet the flop. When you do observant opponents will know you have nothing. Therefore I was wondering if you would balance this by checking with the intention of c/r flopped sets and other monsters? Seems a bit off but I'm asking anyway. Also, what's you cutoff? QJs? QTs? JTs?

54:30 AA. Probably done the same thing on the turn. He might think you are making a play on a paired board or with a big draw which you can easily have on this board imo. On the other side as I commented in the last episode I've noticed a couple of times now that when people get raised on a paired board and they do have an overpair, they shut down and call down. Difficult, but I would have done the same on this board.

56:10 TT. I don't hate it, the hands you are up against will be easily defined with your action. Tricky it would be when the CO folds, BTN calls, you lead the turn and he raises.

Awesome vid again!

9:45 J8s coldcalled by the small blind, he donks. Do you in any way take the last hand in consideration that you played against him? i.e. that he maybe likes to play back at you for taking the same 'line' against him in the pot right before this one.

13:10 You start discussing the merits of raising hands lik QJs out of the big blind with a couple of limpers and that you dont have to cbet the flop. When you do observant opponents will know you have nothing. Therefore I was wondering if you would balance this by checking with the intention of c/r flopped sets and other monsters? Seems a bit off but I'm asking anyway. Also, what's you cutoff? QJs? QTs? JTs?

54:30 AA. Probably done the same thing on the turn. He might think you are making a play on a paired board or with a big draw which you can easily have on this board imo. On the other side as I commented in the last episode I've noticed a couple of times now that when people get raised on a paired board and they do have an overpair, they shut down and call down. Difficult, but I would have done the same on this board.

56:10 TT. I don't hate it, the hands you are up against will be easily defined with your action. Tricky it would be when the CO folds, BTN calls, you lead the turn and he raises.

J8s - no, i don't think they're usually aware of that kind of thing - they are just playing their own cards

13:10 re: raising value hands out of the bb then checking if i miss - i'm not too worried about balancing or having people figure out what i'm up to in this spot - and also if they are constantly limping i'm not really sure they're going to be aware of playing exploitative poker but the value i get more than outweighs any chance that they outplay me later on imo. and no i'd never check a monster if i flopped it. it would depend how many limpers - with 4 limpers i'd raise all those hands you listed. it's fun to pokerstove around there

AA - yea sick spot, maybe i overleveled myself here possibly

TT - i'm gonna post this hand actually in the forums now

BBB, Is there any way you can get some live play in before the series ends. The end of pass the torch was great from AC. But it wasn't especially bent toward live play. If not maybe we could get an episode 9 as a retrospective of your experience.

BBB, Is there any way you can get some live play in before the series ends. The end of pass the torch was great from AC. But it wasn't especially bent toward live play. If not maybe we could get an episode 9 as a retrospective of your experience.

sup fatsally, not sure what you mean exactly

i play live pretty regularly (well at least once a month, i was kinda tired of it after two weeks in AC)

this series is more about the online games and how they play, and i'm definitely trying to equate it to live games as much as possible. but i can't really bring a cameraphone to the casino and film a session but i do try to compare these games to live games, talk about different trends and styles in each, what mistakes and good things players do, and so on. i had a brief comparison in episode 1 of this series in the intro.

i am doing a followup series to this one where i'll be at 3/6+ fr lhe on the internet and i'll be continuing to try and keep the parallels up to the live games, although those games start to get harder than anything in a casino.

i feel like maybe i'm not addressing your post very well - please respond more specicifically!

thanks
bbb

At the 27:19 mark on table 4 u got a2s and say you need to be getting 10 or 11 to 1 to chase a gut shot. I thought we only needed 7.5 to 1 due to implied odds if we hit our gutter? This is what I herd on a 6 max vid and has been my default play maybe I am throwing away money in these spots?

What I mean is, this series is billed as prep for cash play at the WSOP. With series fresh in mind, play there and correlate. Where did you play, what limit, profile some of your opponents and what strategy mindset did you have.(Your doing alot of that very well in general BTW.) It would just be cool to have an on location episode or two like pygmyhero's Atlantic City episodes(maybe even with guest stars & such).

34:00 KJ

board comes 488 A

interesting hand.

I have considered this situation before and am not sure betting is really great here. Most of your comments do not favor betting.

Question: how much of our range are we b/f'ing here? how much of our range are we b/calling down here? We have the 2nd nut no-pair on this paired board, so we have the best hand a lot.

This is low stakes, so I don't expect to be bluffed here a ton, but the board is paired and an Ace fell = please take a shot at me cause I could be slowplaying trip 8's too.

Just a couple of thoughts... checking allows air to bluff. Also, random unpaired hands have only 4 outs against us in this smallish pot, so if they check behind, we can bet when we hit a K/J/flush and sometimes get called by super weird stuff on this paired board, including rivered pairs and Q-high.

Any PP is calling down on this board regardless, so we really are only paying 1 bet whether we bet or c/call, but in this rare instance, I think checking outweighs betting.

If a middling card comes on the turn, we may want to bet to get a fold from random A-rag (within pf cc range). But honestly, on this board, a ton of A-high are getting to SB, barring the board flushing out, which sucks for us. Because of the specific flop and our specific hand, I'm thinking check may be pretty good here too.

I have played around with checking Ax here to, going for the c/r, and like the results verse specific opposition. This still allows air to bluff and low PP to stick in an extra big bet (cause they are b/calling down a lot). I really don't mind giving out a free card since the board is paired and mostly uncoordinated (1 FD doesn't = drawy, imo). No one ever seems to fold if I c/r bluff here, so doing it for value sometimes can't be that bad.

Yes, I will bet the Turn with my bluffs, but again, most villains are mostly unknown, so playing unexploitably goes out the window. And they have no idea that I'm willing to check here with a hand like K-high to induce, slash, balance for Ax funkiness, slash, max value sometimes.

Are we donking a rivered flush if we are raised on the Turn?

(sorry for the long post, but I think this spot is pretty cool)

ciao

I just wanted to make a very generic comment on 3betting pf from the BB... I like it. It seems as though people are balancing this by always calling HU. I balance this similarly to how I balance opening from early position in FR.

It's a pretty sick play verse known TAGs and regs. I love getting folds with 78o-high and shit.

35:45, 55 top left on 82Q flop.

I don't peel a c/r here w/o a . BTN is super unlikely to have a 2 in his hand and be c/r, so I throw that out the window. This leaves pairs that are crushing us and draws that have 10-14+ outs. The real kicker is that this flop contains both tons of straight draws and a FD as well, really crushing our ability to dodge scary cards. If only a straight draw OR FD were present, I could see continuing without a spade if we had a great handle on villain, but as is I think we need to let it go.

PP under the 8 don't make up a huge part of our range here, so I think we can let it go for big RIO issues, imo. We may only have 1 out as is.

just me

KJo at 43:00. vnh postflop

If those reading don't understand BBB's board analysis here, you should look at it again, fo sheezy.

AA hand, yeah, I would never 3-ball this turn. Air folds and Jx pwns. Combo draws are going to charge themselves by firing the river.

TT - I like flop and fold turn. His strength is huge and board not coordinated.

Nice fold with AJo in UTG+2 verse 20/4 guy's open UTG+1.

Great vid.

At the 27:19 mark on table 4 u got a2s and say you need to be getting 10 or 11 to 1 to chase a gut shot. I thought we only needed 7.5 to 1 due to implied odds if we hit our gutter? This is what I herd on a 6 max vid and has been my default play maybe I am throwing away money in these spots?

i've always gone with about 10 or 11:1 on the safe side and then made it more favorable for me based on the board texture, action, and so on. for example i think if i open 98s, get 3bet by a huge nit, and the flop is A75 rainbow, my gut is both more disguised and more powerful vs his range than A2 on a KQJ. so i'd be more inclined to peel getting like 7 or 8 to 1 in the first example than in the second. it's a function of several things like is it disguised, will the dude still go bonkers with his hand, etc. i would think autocalling all guts at 7.5 to 1 is too thin. plus i mean you have to consider backdoor things, are pair outs possibly good, and so on.

What I mean is, this series is billed as prep for cash play at the WSOP. With series fresh in mind, play there and correlate. Where did you play, what limit, profile some of your opponents and what strategy mindset did you have.(Your doing alot of that very well in general BTW.) It would just be cool to have an on location episode or two like pygmyhero's Atlantic City episodes(maybe even with guest stars & such).

ah okay i see what you're saying. this is planned for one of the last two eps of the season!

34:00 KJ

board comes 488 A

interesting hand.

I have considered this situation before and am not sure betting is really great here. Most of your comments do not favor betting.

Question: how much of our range are we b/f'ing here? how much of our range are we b/calling down here? We have the 2nd nut no-pair on this paired board, so we have the best hand a lot.

This is low stakes, so I don't expect to be bluffed here a ton, but the board is paired and an Ace fell = please take a shot at me cause I could be slowplaying trip 8's too.

Just a couple of thoughts... checking allows air to bluff. Also, random unpaired hands have only 4 outs against us in this smallish pot, so if they check behind, we can bet when we hit a K/J/flush and sometimes get called by super weird stuff on this paired board, including rivered pairs and Q-high.

Any PP is calling down on this board regardless, so we really are only paying 1 bet whether we bet or c/call, but in this rare instance, I think checking outweighs betting.

If a middling card comes on the turn, we may want to bet to get a fold from random A-rag (within pf cc range). But honestly, on this board, a ton of A-high are getting to SB, barring the board flushing out, which sucks for us. Because of the specific flop and our specific hand, I'm thinking check may be pretty good here too.

I have played around with checking Ax here to, going for the c/r, and like the results verse specific opposition. This still allows air to bluff and low PP to stick in an extra big bet (cause they are b/calling down a lot). I really don't mind giving out a free card since the board is paired and mostly uncoordinated (1 FD doesn't = drawy, imo). No one ever seems to fold if I c/r bluff here, so doing it for value sometimes can't be that bad.

Yes, I will bet the Turn with my bluffs, but again, most villains are mostly unknown, so playing unexploitably goes out the window. And they have no idea that I'm willing to check here with a hand like K-high to induce, slash, balance for Ax funkiness, slash, max value sometimes.

Are we donking a rivered flush if we are raised on the Turn?

(sorry for the long post, but I think this spot is pretty cool)

ciao

yea it's an interesting spot and i kind of dance around it in my comments. i think i don't mind a bet for a couple of reasons:

-it's a good bluff card that hits my range and i think some smaller pps (ie better hands than mine) can fold now

-lots of times i will be b/f this (a good part of my range) with air, underpairs, and so on.

-combining some fold equity with my flushdraw equity and so on brings me into a situation where i'm not getting crushed overall imo.

that being said, i think your plan of checking in this situation is also a good one:

i agree with you that i'm not worried about giving a free card, i mean i have the only real draw and i have the best one so that's fine

i'd say the standard opponent at these stakes more than 98% of the time is not bluffraising this turn vs another standard opponent. and i'd be pretty surprised if a ton of guys got to the river with a non 8, non ace, non draw kind of hand. i think i could see myself betting a huge part of my range on this turn card, as we do in lots of spots with turned aces. it's funny, i could definitely check an ace here, so i'm trying to decide what i'd balance that turn check with and i haven't decided yet. i don't really want to check air because i want to bluff it to win the pot vs his better air or weak made hand. i think checking good draws or good king highs is also fine here.

in general in these game textures though i don't see a lot of value in checking to induce (except on certain board textures or with specific opponent reads) so you have to be careful imo. in general these guys are looking to fold a lot of the time

if raised on the turn and i river my flush, i'm definitely going for checkraise: i think his turn raising range is really heavy toward trip 8s and good aces and both of those ranges will bet the river pretty often (imo putting me on worse aces or w/e)

I just wanted to make a very generic comment on 3betting pf from the BB... I like it. It seems as though people are balancing this by always calling HU. I balance this similarly to how I balance opening from early position in FR.

It's a pretty sick play verse known TAGs and regs. I love getting folds with 78o-high and shit.

yeah i mean as always, being aware of game conditions and mixing up your play is good. the cool thing about lhe is there are almost always exceptions to every rule

35:45, 55 top left on 82Q flop.

I don't peel a c/r here w/o a . BTN is super unlikely to have a 2 in his hand and be c/r, so I throw that out the window. This leaves pairs that are crushing us and draws that have 10-14+ outs. The real kicker is that this flop contains both tons of straight draws and a FD as well, really crushing our ability to dodge scary cards. If only a straight draw OR FD were present, I could see continuing without a spade if we had a great handle on villain, but as is I think we need to let it go.

PP under the 8 don't make up a huge part of our range here, so I think we can let it go for big RIO issues, imo. We may only have 1 out as is.

just me

yea agree it was pretty sick spot; i've gotten IMs from a couple people about it and i'm pretty sure just folding is also plenty fine. for whatever reason i had some kind of read/handle on this guy as being a little weird somehow and that made me decide to call down barring unsafe cardz. vs a normal reg or a nitty guy or whatev i definitely agree with b/f immediately, and even b/f against everybody can't be a big mistake if one at all

yea with the AA hand i agree i overplayed it a bit; i think i outleveled myself into thinking i was playing vs like a good 15/30 6m opponent who has a wider value range here than Jx. i think it's hopefully instructive for you guys to see how and when and why i spew!

BBB, thanks for the great follow up.

ciao

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The A5s hand. As played, fine i think it was pretty standard . But since you are quite a creative player with such an agressive aura i'd love reraising the flop for several reasons.

A) he 's not going to fold big pairs on most turns ( KK QQ) , and i'm pretty confident he would cap AK , AQ ( seems reasonable right?)
B) you'll get more bets in the pot , though maybe just something like err half a BB but i think this is a good spot his range will be pretty face up. don't think he would fold vs 2 donkbets on turn and river either with KK , QQ , maybe even TT.

In short i think he would only put out a third bet on the flop with better hands than you on the flop 99% of the time and he'll still pay off the turn and river cuz people can't ever fold QQ KK on dry boards with an overcard because they are like : WTF the dealer puts out an overcard , screw that i call.
It's actually pretty awsome to be OOP here because you can C/R his flopbet and still control the pot by maximally investing 3 bets on the flop since u can just flat if he wants to CA¨P your check raise. I'm to lazy to do the maths but i think this will win you more money overall versus his entire range cuz u can so easily potcontrol turns and valuebet rivers if he checks back turns.Now even if he has better hands on flop after flop CAP .occasionally people will be erratic and put you on a 7 ( for trips) and maybe give u a free turn or river card anyways. So if you are not planning to ever fold this play will at worst cost you like 1.BB more. that's only if the ALWAYS caps flop with AK AQ and bet turn and river. not to mention you can always fold the river ( which is gross)

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in my previoues post , i'm not saying it's optimal to be OOP obviously but knowing people would never fold KK or QQ here i'd love to get an extre bet in on flop and even consider donking turns and rivers. i'm pretty confident he wouldn't have folded KK here if that was the case. worst case scenatio they have AK or AQ and just call turn and river, boohoo. best case the got KK QQ and you pawn them hard. you could eeven C/C the river after leading the turn , i'm just saying their's a world of options and i don't really like the passive line with TP in a 3 bet pot vs bad players on dry boards and i don't feel like being OOP is a good excuse .

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btw awsome videoseries i'm a fan keep it coming

The A5s hand. As played, fine i think it was pretty standard . But since you are quite a creative player with such an agressive aura i'd love reraising the flop for several reasons.

A) he 's not going to fold big pairs on most turns ( KK QQ) , and i'm pretty confident he would cap AK , AQ ( seems reasonable right?)
B) you'll get more bets in the pot , though maybe just something like err half a BB but i think this is a good spot his range will be pretty face up. don't think he would fold vs 2 donkbets on turn and river either with KK , QQ , maybe even TT.

In short i think he would only put out a third bet on the flop with better hands than you on the flop 99% of the time and he'll still pay off the turn and river cuz people can't ever fold QQ KK on dry boards with an overcard because they are like : WTF the dealer puts out an overcard , screw that i call.
It's actually pretty awsome to be OOP here because you can C/R his flopbet and still control the pot by maximally investing 3 bets on the flop since u can just flat if he wants to CA¨P your check raise. I'm to lazy to do the maths but i think this will win you more money overall versus his entire range cuz u can so easily potcontrol turns and valuebet rivers if he checks back turns.Now even if he has better hands on flop after flop CAP .occasionally people will be erratic and put you on a 7 ( for trips) and maybe give u a free turn or river card anyways. So if you are not planning to ever fold this play will at worst cost you like 1.BB more. that's only if the ALWAYS caps flop with AK AQ and bet turn and river. not to mention you can always fold the river ( which is gross)

Yeah I think c/r flop and b/f turn vs tight straightforward players is an ok play. In general though I try to be wary of lines where I create a big pot and then fold. I also (by c/r flop) deny him the chance to fire two barrels with hands drawing almost dead against me (KQ, pocket pairs, etc). Also, if I always c/r this flop with strong hands, then my c/c range becomes super weak, which might be something someone can take advantage of.

Another potential pitfall is if I c/r the flop and he 3bets, it could be with a hand I'm chopping with or have outs to chop vs by the river. Folding in that spot would be yuck. Also if he ever 3bets a worse hand for some reason and I fold it's a disaster. So there are some other outcomes I need to be wary of.

glad you're enjoying the series!