Episode Five

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Episode Five

Episode Five: More Big Bluffs. Watch and learn how Dan and Vanessa spot weakness and use a variety of types of plays to dominate games. Structured discussion of metagame, implied threat, and, as always, the importance of hand-reading. Not for the faint of heart.FIX ME

tags: dj sensei vanessa selbst fslexcduck unconventional wisdom hand reading big bluffs overbet ipod friendly

This Series: Unconventional Wisdom

Join DJ Sensei and Vanessa Selbst as they think outside the box. Hand after hand of unorthodox, tricky and engaging play for the small stakes No-Limit player. Bid goodbye to ABC poker but be careful not to spew!

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Comments for Episode Five

thac
Pair of Deuces
153 posts
Joined 01/08

Ugh, if episode 4 didn't make me spew enough, there are MORE bluffs?!

Great episode, can you make ep 6 about how to actually hit semi-bluffs? :D

Posted Jan 28, 2008 12:40pm

Riddim
Deuce High
90 posts
Joined 01/08

The graphics used when going through the overbet math was great. It looked better and was easier on my eyes. As a result the information also got through better.

Posted Jan 28, 2008 2:47pm

MickeyWins
Quad Deuces
1522 posts
Joined 07/07

1)As I watch more and more No Limit videos. I am starting to understand that its a art form.
the only constant is...you can move all your chips in ..any damn time you like.
the player in front of you bets $6, legally you can move in for $500.
I think this concept(amount of pressure available) is a basic for playing no limit, am I correct?
I mean I think the player who is willing to move in more, has a bigger advantage?

2) reads reads reads.....it seems to me that some of the decisions made not only in this video but most/all NL video's are based on reads. its not a card game....its a READ GAME. He who makes the best reads ..gets all the chips.
the two cards we hold are only important the few times our reads are wrong, and the opponent unexpectedly calls.
I, personally have discovered playing limit that I play the cards ok, but my reading ability is horrendous.
perhaps I can use NL to improve my reads, which in turn will improve my limit game, thoughts??

Posted Jan 29, 2008 1:00am

CrazyAl
Deuce High
8 posts
Joined 12/07

In hand 3 Vanessa what are your lines if an offsuit Q or T comes off and what about the Js?

Posted Jan 29, 2008 6:19am

DJ Sensei
Exec Producer
Quad Deuces
1104 posts
Joined 10/07

1)As I watch more and more No Limit videos. I am starting to understand that its a art form.
the only constant is...you can move all your chips in ..any damn time you like.
the player in front of you bets $6, legally you can move in for $500.
I think this concept(amount of pressure available) is a basic for playing no limit, am I correct?
I mean I think the player who is willing to move in more, has a bigger advantage?

2) reads reads reads.....it seems to me that some of the decisions made not only in this video but most/all NL video's are based on reads. its not a card game....its a READ GAME. He who makes the best reads ..gets all the chips.
the two cards we hold are only important the few times our reads are wrong, and the opponent unexpectedly calls.
I, personally have discovered playing limit that I play the cards ok, but my reading ability is horrendous.
perhaps I can use NL to improve my reads, which in turn will improve my limit game, thoughts??



With regards to #1, I think that you should be cautious about such thinking, as it tends to get pretty expensive when you're moving your stack in too often :). I guess the best way I can concisely explain it is that you have to be willing to put your stack in during any hand, but you should only put the whole thing in there when you're very confident that doing so is a positive EV proposition. Fearless with deadly precision, like Rambo.

With regards to #2, yes, the single most important skill for an aspiring no-limit player is handreading. Second to that is anticipating how your opponent will respond to your actions. After that comes math and equities and things like that, but those are a little simpler to understand most of the time.

And yes, every poker game you learn will make you better at other poker games, because they each emphasize different skills and ways of thinking about the game. Playing NL will teach you that the future value of your hand is usually more important than the current value (but not always!). Playing limit will teach you that you always need to have the right price. Razz or seven-card stud will hone your handreading and memory centers, etc.

Posted Jan 29, 2008 8:57am

fslexcduck
Exec Producer
Pair of Deuces
175 posts
Joined 10/07

In hand 3 Vanessa what are your lines if an offsuit Q or T comes off and what about the Js?



most of those i'm betting. most of them probably about half pot or so. the Js i can fold to a raise with a half pot bet, the Jo i can try to get paid off by one pair/raised by 2 pair maybe, and the T just hoping he makes a crying call, maybe even bet a bit smaller. you'll find people won't raise your blocking bets too much in these spots, even good players, because this much action in a limped pot just looks too strong from the get go.

with the Q i might check call and hope he has 7T, 67, or turns a random pair of 8's or 9's into a bluff.

Posted Jan 29, 2008 8:20pm

mike l.
Deuce High
45 posts
Joined 02/07

i watched this last night on my ipod and loved it. im learning baby nl online and this is helpful. i think the 86s bluff vanessa makes is great and the thinking is spot on. i cant wait to go back and watch all the rest. so far ive found this to be the most useful video in teaching me small online nl.

Posted Feb 7, 2008 7:16pm

Wes
Deuce High
3 posts
Joined 10/07

Awesome episode as usual

Posted Mar 6, 2008 10:20pm

shawn
Pair of Deuces
130 posts
Joined 03/08

Yo no comprendo.

I'm on the first hand and it is eerily familiar to my spewy tendencies. The villain smoove calls the flop, he has top pair about 95% of the time and he is never, ever, ever folding to our check-raise on the turn so we end up putting in $85 to win $125 with 30% equity. To say this guy is floating us on the flop and that he's now bluffing the ace on the turn is just crazy imo. When we shove over his $25 turn bet he now has to call $60 to win $150. What can he fold for that price? Without a specific read that this guy floats to steal and will fold a weak ace there or that he is so weak-tight that he will fold his top pair of jacks when the ace comes on the turn (and if that's the case, why is he betting the turn?) then this line is burning money.

The thing about your hand there is that 5 of your 14 outs are very well concealed so 11% of the time you are going to make the best hand and easily get his remaining $60 and the other 20% you can get a $25 value bet paid off.

With $63 in the pot you are almost getting the correct direct odds to call $25 and with your implied odds its certainly +EV, whereas pushing with no fold equity you lose $45. I don't need help making bad bluffs against stations, I have that part of my game very well developed.

If there is something I'm missing or you feel like I'm being results-oriented or too narrow in my hand range, please say so, but include a reasonable hand range or PT stats on the player to justify that play.

One Love,

Shawn

Posted Mar 23, 2008 2:23am

DonkHero
Deuce High
49 posts
Joined 07/08

Im changing my avatar to a baby pic asap. lol

Posted Aug 20, 2008 12:02am