Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by BigBadBabar (Micro/Small Stakes)

first+Eegah! reference one time! looking forward to 2/4 vid. It is a wonderful world of low variance and bad play...

Time Link to 00:08:48

Top right: Turn call is definitely close, depends how aggro villain is I guess. It's much more likely he has 75 than 72, so I'm much happier calling a turn 2 than turn 5

Edit: DOH!!!!!

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Top right again: 99 hand, if you can confidently fold to a raise I think b/f is much better than c/c. Whether you can(should?) c/f is a completely different question.

first+Eegah! reference one time! looking forward to 2/4 vid. It is a wonderful world of low variance and bad play...

it's not rocket science, kids.

Top right: Turn call is definitely close, depends how aggro villain is I guess. It's much more likely he has 75 than 72, so I'm much happier calling a turn 2 than turn 5

Edit: DOH!!!!!

yeah, pyg and i honestly talked about that for like 10 more min after we recorded the vid. do you agree that if turn is a 7 we're just folding right away right?

Top right again: 99 hand, if you can confidently fold to a raise I think b/f is much better than c/c. Whether you can(should?) c/f is a completely different question.

is this when LP guy called me down with AJ high on the K riv? yea i def agree that b/c would be horrible there - i wasn't spewing any more i don't think

c/f is definitely possible but i was certainly in 'i want to valuetown this guy' mode and i didn't think he was induceable but was certainly cally.

yeah, pyg and i honestly talked about that for like 10 more min after we recorded the vid. do you agree that if turn is a 7 we're just folding right away right?

Absolutely

Firstly, props for the series, BBB. Pimpin'. I really like the comments on live play and about varying limits. good times.

I actually wanted to post about my utter hatred of opening hands like KTo in early position at a full ring table. (typing this before I press play again and watch you flop a full house.) These hands are much worse than you seem to portray. We are dominated a ton when we get any action, including preflop. We don't know if we are v-betting, bluffing, c/f the best hand, etc, on the turn a ton, imo. We have dominated, weak broadway cards that are unsuited. Sure, balance with 9Ts, awesome, but opening this stuff is just asking for negative variance, imo.

Pressed play and now you are talking about all of our horrible options postflop because of these hands and position.

much love.

ciao

QJo in bottom right at about 1:16:00.

board A426

I'm thinking about this hand, our opponent's range, and our possible lines here. For a lot of the reasons you mentioned (what is really folding to our turn bet that called the flop on this board?), I don't think I like betting the turn and c/f the river a lot here. Are we c/f a non-club river?

What better hands are folding, what worse hands are calling? If we plan to c/f a non-club river, we aren't v-betting verse club draws on the turn, right?

What about c/c on the turn? Then probably c/f on the river UI. Our turn check would look defensive, imo, like "I have a weak pair, I'm showing down." When we check the river again, his bet is most likely for value, imo. In other words, I'm thinking that our money might be going in 'better' on this turn if we c/c.

Thoughts?

QJo in bottom right at about 1:16:00.

board A426

I'm thinking about this hand, our opponent's range, and our possible lines here. For a lot of the reasons you mentioned (what is really folding to our turn bet that called the flop on this board?), I don't think I like betting the turn and c/f the river a lot here. Are we c/f a non-club river?

What better hands are folding, what worse hands are calling? If we plan to c/f a non-club river, we aren't v-betting verse club draws on the turn, right?

What about c/c on the turn? Then probably c/f on the river UI. Our turn check would look defensive, imo, like "I have a weak pair, I'm showing down." When we check the river again, his bet is most likely for value, imo. In other words, I'm thinking that our money might be going in 'better' on this turn if we c/c. Maybe we need to have a super solid read on his river play. (not fully displaying all of my thoughts here, but you get the point.)

We also raised pf from the BB, so I'd be pretty scared when he calls the flop. (ie, he's never folding and he likes his hand.)

Thoughts?

Firstly, props for the series, BBB. Pimpin'. I really like the comments on live play and about varying limits. good times.

I actually wanted to post about my utter hatred of opening hands like KTo in early position at a full ring table. (typing this before I press play again and watch you flop a full house.) These hands are much worse than you seem to portray. We are dominated a ton when we get any action, including preflop. We don't know if we are v-betting, bluffing, c/f the best hand, etc, on the turn a ton, imo. We have dominated, weak broadway cards that are unsuited. Sure, balance with 9Ts, awesome, but opening this stuff is just asking for negative variance, imo.

Pressed play and now you are talking about all of our horrible options postflop because of these hands and position.

much love.

ciao

sup bg, thanks for the kind words. i agree with lots of your points absolutely. do you have a time for this specific hand so i can check it out? i definitely catch myself getting overfrisky sometimes either because of my 6m play, my desire to be laggy in these videos for the sake of the viewers, or because i spot some small edge or positive situation that i want to attack.

i will say in general that sure, when you open kto and get 3bet, you're usually in bad shape, and if you don't play well postflop, you can lose a big pot in a dominated type of situation. however, i don't believe that someone is going to have a bigger dominating hand so often that i shouldn't be opening these kinds of hands a lot of the time, combined with the fact that to be laggy i have to open lots of hands to begin with. and as you rightly point out, i can't always have good hands or good playability balance hands. but to me, the overall effect of sometimes opening overthinly like with kto in ep, is that it increases the profitability of the rest of my ranges. and i do also feel like i'm not gonna go nuts when i open kto, get 3bet, and flop t42. and i'm not opening k8o utg anyway so i do respect ranges and the idea of ranges, i just try to push the boundaries a bit.

i do hope there was something in this hand like a poster, a few guys sitting out, nitty blinds, or something, etc.

QJo in bottom right at about 1:16:00.

board A426

I'm thinking about this hand, our opponent's range, and our possible lines here. For a lot of the reasons you mentioned (what is really folding to our turn bet that called the flop on this board?), I don't think I like betting the turn and c/f the river a lot here. Are we c/f a non-club river?

What better hands are folding, what worse hands are calling? If we plan to c/f a non-club river, we aren't v-betting verse club draws on the turn, right?

What about c/c on the turn? Then probably c/f on the river UI. Our turn check would look defensive, imo, like "I have a weak pair, I'm showing down." When we check the river again, his bet is most likely for value, imo. In other words, I'm thinking that our money might be going in 'better' on this turn if we c/c. Maybe we need to have a super solid read on his river play. (not fully displaying all of my thoughts here, but you get the point.)

We also raised pf from the BB, so I'd be pretty scared when he calls the flop. (ie, he's never folding and he likes his hand.)

Thoughts?

i'm basically hopefully targeting king high on the turn as far as better hands, and rarely i'm valuebetting against some bs draw. it's that and a combination of that i probably 2-barrel almost always in this situation when i iso oop pf in this kind of spot. that's mostly for fold equity immediately or to generate it in future hands in this same situation.

vs the average unknown passiveish guy at these limits i would probably prefer c/f the turn to c/c it, since i don't know that i've seen them be that induceable, especially guys who are limping these spots pf to begin with. if i want one more bet to go in i want to put it in myself to counter my positional disadvantage and also for the reasons described above.

11:45 99. You bet the river and comment "When I bet this river I'm bluffing". How would you play it different? Against other opponents?

22:45 T9s. "If I spike a 9 or a T and he bets the river I am folding" thus you give him credit for an ace or queen and not a missed draw he decides to bluff (it's kind of a drawy board). Only because he's tight?

28:20 T5o. What is your plan when called on the turn?

1:19:24 A9o. You say a call is scarier to your opponent then a raise on the AA board. Up until recently I was thinking the same but now I noticed a couple of times that people shut down immediately when raised on paired boards. Trend?

11:45 99. You bet the river and comment "When I bet this river I'm bluffing". How would you play it different? Against other opponents?

22:45 T9s. "If I spike a 9 or a T and he bets the river I am folding" thus you give him credit for an ace or queen and not a missed draw he decides to bluff (it's kind of a drawy board). Only because he's tight?

28:20 T5o. What is your plan when called on the turn?

1:19:24 A9o. You say a call is scarier to your opponent then a raise on the AA board. Up until recently I was thinking the same but now I noticed a couple of times that people shut down immediately when raised on paired boards. Trend?

99 - i was joking/saying it facetiously, he can still call me with some worse pps, 8x, or ace high, it just is a pretty bad river card obviously

T9s - you make a good point, i could pick off some bluffs here if i river a pair. i think part of the problem is that the pot is small, and yea he's seemed kind of passive and bad. when i check back the ace i think he'll be able to valuebet a queen as well as an ace. and just in general i don't think there's a ton of value in trying to pick off bluffs from passive guys at lower stakes. if he was a known lag or spewbot or 60/30 after 50 hands, then yeah i'd call a rivered pair if he bet.

T5o - either betfold or checkfold a lot of rivers depending on the card. he's too passive to bluff imo and there is some value in a bet depending on what falls.

A9o - i don't know if it's a trend - in general guys at these stakes are fairly mubsy, passive, and miss lots of value, and are good at putting their opponents on big hands. when raised on a paired board they worry that the opp could have trips. i probably play it the same as him though with his hand - i mean when villain raises this flop he often has trips and he often has a bluff and just getting to showdown cheaply is best against both those ranges.

OK thanks again BBB.

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I'm with Pygmy here. Taking 8 cards that improve you to an open-ended straight draw and counting them even as "outs" is a little generous. Those 8 cards are improving you to a hand that has like 15-20% equity, and his discounting down all the way to 1.5 or 2 outs seems spot on to me.

gosh i forgot how long my videos used to be!

I'm with Pygmy here. Taking 8 cards that improve you to an open-ended straight draw and counting them even as "outs" is a little generous. Those 8 cards are improving you to a hand that has like 15-20% equity, and his discounting down all the way to 1.5 or 2 outs seems spot on to me.

i can't match this up - what are my hole cards and on which table?

QJo in bottom right at about 1:16:00.

board A426

I'm thinking about this hand, our opponent's range, and our possible lines here. For a lot of the reasons you mentioned (what is really folding to our turn bet that called the flop on this board?), I don't think I like betting the turn and c/f the river a lot here. Are we c/f a non-club river?

What better hands are folding, what worse hands are calling? If we plan to c/f a non-club river, we aren't v-betting verse club draws on the turn, right?

What about c/c on the turn? Then probably c/f on the river UI. Our turn check would look defensive, imo, like "I have a weak pair, I'm showing down." When we check the river again, his bet is most likely for value, imo. In other words, I'm thinking that our money might be going in 'better' on this turn if we c/c. Maybe we need to have a super solid read on his river play. (not fully displaying all of my thoughts here, but you get the point.)

We also raised pf from the BB, so I'd be pretty scared when he calls the flop. (ie, he's never folding and he likes his hand.)

Thoughts?

I had a conversation with BBB today. Here are his thoughts on the hand.

bellatrix: I find myself so lost in these situations
bellatrix: I mean, first the obvious things. If I'm betting and get raised, I fold.
bellatrix: but is betting here a bluff / barrel?
bellatrix: What are you trying to fold? A club draw? Khigh?
bellatrix: you can't fold out pairs.
bellatrix: but then, it's not like your hand has value to to value check and induce some bluff
bellatrix: and in these FR games, can't we just like say, "ok, I'm done with the hand". and just c/f? Is that too weak? yes! But I hate my hand! I'm can't seem to formulate a good argument either way
bellatrix: Is it really just: "Oh it's close, I bet!" kind of stuff?
BigBadBabar: my quick response is going to be
BigBadBabar: that i 2barrel here close to 100% of my range
BigBadBabar: because my range is going to be fairly strong and it makes sense for me to bet that strong range
BigBadBabar: with a hand like if i had t9s, or this hand qjo, etc, i'm betting as a bluff mainly
BigBadBabar: like sometimes i accidentally get value from a worse draw but mostly i hope he folds a better hand, or i have some fake outs like say a king on the river or any broadway card, i'd think about barreling again
BigBadBabar: and when i have pairs here i'm valuebetting them
BigBadBabar: so b asically i'm betting my whole range here - balanced
BigBadBabar: yea if riv is a brick i prob c/f river
BigBadBabar: with qjo kind of hand
bellatrix: ok, but you said, 3barreling against these opponents is bad
bellatrix: that you don't like to 3barrel in FR
BigBadBabar: yea i don't do it often, but there is a spot for it
BigBadBabar: sometimes
bellatrix: is the A a brick?
BigBadBabar: meh i'd bet again just because i don't like checkcall really and i hate checkfold for image/balance purposes
BigBadBabar: and i dont want to have a c/r range so i can balance and then c/f
bellatrix: image / balance at 1/2 FR?
BigBadBabar: well i am so used to playing that way that i always try to do it
BigBadBabar: i don't mean like these guys will exploit me
bellatrix: I mean, I can totally understand the hating c/f
bellatrix: I hate it too, but I'm not in love with b/f either
BigBadBabar: but like if i check and they bet a draw and i call cuz wahtever
BigBadBabar: then riv brick
BigBadBabar: i check and they bet again
BigBadBabar: its dumb
BigBadBabar: i think u can b/f 100% confidently
BigBadBabar: you raised limpers pre oop and fired 2 barrels on an ace high board
BigBadBabar: you are Strong
BigBadBabar: when they raise turn it's always value monster, never semibluff
BigBadBabar: at lower stakes
BigBadBabar: i'd b/f up to maybe KK here no problem
BigBadBabar: so i have no problem b/f qj hi
bellatrix: do you have a c/c range?
bellatrix: on that board
BigBadBabar: not at these stakes
bellatrix: so you're betting 100%
BigBadBabar: at higher stakes or vs tough opponents, yes definitely
BigBadBabar: and i have a c/r range too
BigBadBabar: at say 10/20
BigBadBabar: but 1/2 or .5/1 fr online, i just bet
bellatrix: oooh, I like that
bellatrix: c/r range
bellatrix: it;s kinda hard comparing this to a high stakes game just because he ol CO
bellatrix: I think a K on the river is very interesting in this spot
bellatrix: because you're targetting Khigh, but it's also like a fake out
bellatrix: and if he has Khigh, he's just gonna call (not raise).

Somwhere along this conversation I entered the thread and noticed BusinessGypsy had already addressed this hand, sorry BG, should've just read your post and BBB's response.

Edit: I misunderstood something.