Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by PygmyHero (Micro/Small Stakes)

Learning! Yay!

and your voice was a bit garbled. Jess' what dress?

Pygmy has more of a Canadian accent than me!

Great vid, PygmyHero & AR.


44 at 16:00, Q35rb flop.

imo, We should be betting out with ATC we called with pf here. 1:3 on a bluff on this super dry board, as AR mentioned (woot woot!). Balance for when we have a hand too. 44 wants folds from anything and everything, not allowing them a free card to spike a pair. Also, A-high has wheel draws, so we can v-bet when the board demands (like if the board pairs, I’m probably betting for value the whole way).
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Miley Cirus floating the flop multiway at 35:00. Awesome. I think JanAce played her trips great, aside from probably needing to raise the river because she has the A kicker.
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Iso-raise 1 limper on BTN with K9o at 39:00. Nice!!

SB donks, limper calls, Hero…? Holy, moly. I totally posted on this exact situation this week. Attraction is awesome. PH suggests mucking the flop (which I do not disagree with) but we are now the ones folding equity.
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ATs at 48:00. Awesome discussion, PH. Phenomenal points. Kudos.
(lol at BB w JJ. call/call/call/call/call/call is the nuts.)
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KJ at 53:00. 48Q, Q
I reeeally want to c/r this Turn. I think we can get folds from low PP. A-high is probably calling down on this paired board if we bet out, but may bet for a FSD and muck if we c/r, putting us on the “obvious Q.” I’d probably play a Q this way too. We don’t really mind a free card on this board since betting out isn’t folding better and worse is rarely calling the turn. Junk under the Q should have mucked the flop (we don't need to protect our hand for a lot of reasons). Air may bet after we check and fold when we raise.

After thinking about it, I probably wouldn't fire the river UI if we are called on the Turn. I think everything that called is showing down. I would bet any improvement though.

As played, there are virtually no draws that got to the river, so I c/f. A-high never folds if we bet but will v-bet on a triple paired board after we check = we don’t have a pair.
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gg

ciao

First hand:
FWIW this is NEVER a situation to go for a CR on the river.

You mentioned bluffs and that's good, but you didn't mention A-high and small-mid PP's. That river is perfect for getting paid off by those hands, so by betting out we are getting 1bet from:
Jx,7x's,mid PP's,6x, small pp's and Ax's-sometimes

By checking we are getting 2bets from
Jx,7x-sometimes, and bluffs-sometimes.

I think Ax/small pp ranges are the crux of the issue when deciding to CR a board pairing river

The ideal spot when trying to CR a strong hand is when you are CERTAIN your opponent is strong as well (eliminating Ax, small pps from his hand), but you have shown enough strenghth to lull him into calldown mode. So for instance say you had KJ on this particular flop and the action had went B/C on the flop and then you CR on the Turn. THEN the K river hits.A weaker TAG opponent might just call a bet with many of his weaker Kx hands, but he is usually never going to check them back. An even better situation and a no brainer river CR would be if you held JJ and vs this same action.

Lets say you had KJ on this board vs our same weak tight opponent and he had just called your flop/turn bets. This again is NEVER a CR with a K, but if a J falls on the river it's somewhat close.

So, cliff's notes: The decision to Sexy rivers is based on hand reading and your notes on how opponents play, not on the overwhelming strength of your hand.

2nd hand: Someone needs to talk to Rockstar Games to option Excel Hero.

Hand 4: Pyg I like what you are saying about "creating" relative position by not capping the flop but I think it's important to emphasize in this situation that it's mainly in an effort to keep Kookaya in the hand since our hand is relatively weak vs wugyuan's range, but still showdownable. There are other situations we would play a flop the same vs a 3bet behind us when WE have the stronger hand in an effort to trap a player in Kookaya's position.

Also, flop 3-bet from wugyuan is MOST USUALLY 8 or 2 pair. Most players in his situation wait until the turn/river with a set.

Turn I like the call.

Hand 6: I dunno, what IF he has the king of SPADES???

Hand 7: You need a stronger hand to overcall than you would need to just call in the same position.

Also, you need a stronger hand to call a raise than you would need to to raise in the same position.

Hand 9: River bet on 84QQssQ board is never really a bluff bet. I don't expect him to fold A-high or a pair, so it's really only for value vs worse K-highs. I would need a very good read to C/C vs a PF raiser in these games. If he limped pre-flop and I iso'd him I check-snap call with that pot size or slightly less.

Hand 10: I would check and fold unless it was tbella bet and buffalobuzzy folded.

Good Episode. Well done Jess, pyg.

Example of a river CR spot with quads:

we have KK

K22KA

Learning! Yay!

and your voice was a bit garbled. Jess' what dress?

I suggested Jess go put on her freekum' dress.

I suggested Jess go put on her freekum' dress.

oh you kooky kids with your crazy pop culture...

Someone needs to talk to Rockstar Games to option Excel Hero.

I suggested Jess go put on her freekum' dress.

OHHHHHH now it's even funnier!

I suggested Jess go put on her freekum' dress.

BEAT!! Video not available in the UK....I've never been so sad to be British

Serious beat. I've been singing this all day (for better or worse).

44 at 16:00, Q35rb flop.

44 wants folds from anything and everything, not allowing them a free card to spike a pair.

I mean, from a strictly mathematical point of view this is not correct. The pot is small so if someone calls with 6 overcard outs getting 4:1 we profit. That said, there of course may be playability concerns that make us more amenable to getting folds, and if that's what you're saying then I understand and agree to some extent.

I'm basically with you on everything else. Well done.

Forgot - I said I'd post the HH for this one:

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

UTG posts a big blind (1 SB)

Pre Flop: (2.5 SB) Hero is SB with J K
UTG checks, 1 fold, CO raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, CO calls

Flop: (10 SB) 4 8 Q (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, CO calls

Turn: (6.5 BB) Q (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, CO calls

River: (8.5 BB) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero folds

Nfinity, good stuff on the river c/r.

And yes please on Excel Hero.

Hand 4: Pyg I like what you are saying about "creating" relative position by not capping the flop but I think it's important to emphasize in this situation that it's mainly in an effort to keep Kookaya in the hand since our hand is relatively weak vs wugyuan's range, but still showdownable. There are other situations we would play a flop the same vs a 3bet behind us when WE have the stronger hand in an effort to trap a player in Kookaya's position.

Also, flop 3-bet from wugyuan is MOST USUALLY 8 or 2 pair. Most players in his situation wait until the turn/river with a set.

I'm going to agree with you for the most part but say that some people intend to wait for the turn with a set but then take the gloves off when they see people are willing to go off on the flop.

Hand 6: I dunno, what IF he has the king of SPADES???

Yes, I obviously meant King of diamonds / blue here. Thanks!

Hand 9: River bet on 84QQssQ board is never really a bluff bet. I don't expect him to fold A-high or a pair, so it's really only for value vs worse K-highs. I would need a very good read to C/C vs a PF raiser in these games. If he limped pre-flop and I iso'd him I check-snap call with that pot size or slightly less.

Yes, as I reflect more I think I favor just giving up on the river here. We just can't represent anything or get better to fold.

Hand 10: I would check and fold unless it was tbella bet and buffalobuzzy folded.

I'm going to stick with folding to any action. I don't think players at this limit will vbet well on the river, especially in multiway pots. I mean, he did check back AK, so results oriented thinking ftw!!

OHHHHHH now it's even funnier!

Oh wow, I really thought you understood it at the time we made this video. Anyway, you know what I'm saying, right?

Boomer - just google it. It's a Beyoncé song. I mean, everyone who read my well knows I dig her. And BG - lol at you singing this all day.

Oh wow, I really thought you understood it at the time we made this video.

I was thinking along the same lines but I had no idea it was a song hehe

I mean, from a strictly mathematical point of view this is not correct. The pot is small so if someone calls with 6 overcard outs getting 4:1 we profit. That said, there of course may be playability concerns that make us more amenable to getting folds, and if that's what you're saying then I understand and agree to some extent.

Playability wise, yes.

So let me ask your POV on this. I don't remember our exact position, but if we are called here, we don't know by what hand. We also don't know if they hit on the Turn. We MAY be dead to 2 outs without knowing it, so how do you take this into consideration in regards to the math of the hand?

Another way of looking at this is if we are villain holding ATC. We may not be getting immediate odds but we also don't know our opponent's holding. It could be air, 44, or TP. We don't want to be folding equity too often.

thanks

So let me ask your POV on this. I don't remember our exact position, but if we are called here, we don't know by what hand. We also don't know if they hit on the Turn. We MAY be dead to 2 outs without knowing it, so how do you take this into consideration in regards to the math of the hand?

Another way of looking at this is if we are villain holding ATC. We may not be getting immediate odds but we also don't know our opponent's holding. It could be air, 44, or TP. We don't want to be folding equity too often.

We have 44 in the SB against a BB and a HJ open limper IIRC.

I'm not sure I totally understand what you're saying/asking. If we bet, it's true that we don't know what we get called by. But I'm not sure exactly what point you're trying to make here since we don't know what we're up against if we c/c either. I will say that I feel the range we're up against when we lead out is weaker than when we call a bet. That and the likelihood we have the best hand inform my decision.

Sry, let me clarify my question. This is a little off-topic but interesting, I think.

You had mentioned that we want our opponents to be calling with overs = we make money because of the pot odds. I'm just thinking that we never really want anyone to call when we bet out with 44 because the big streets will be difficult to play perfectly, realize our equity, and not fold the best hand. (= this is why we love poker, right? )

For instance, let's say we are BB in this scenario and hold K9o. When the SB leads, we don't know what they hold. They could hold the Q/3/5/draw/air. Immediate odds will not justify a call, and we have a player behind us to worry about. However, our hand only looks bleak if SB holds a Q. The open-limper has a wide range.

What about a raise in this scenario? If SB holds 44 (or similar), they may muck immediately. We would be facing the open-limper with 2, so they have a tough decision with a lot of their range. We can draw to our 'live' pair outs, fire again depending on the turn or take a free card. Against an unpaired SB holding, raising would charge draws and probably fold air.

Ultimately, my question is, when might you make the decision to raise as the BB in this scenario? The board is a consideration. Is the pot just too small to worry about and not worth the "risk?"

Okay, I think I get what you're saying a bit better now. I mean, what you're saying are basically that our hand suffers from some playability concerns. As I said, I don't disagree with that. I'd definitely bet again HU if a brick fell, and beyond that you're right - we have to play some poker.

As for your hypothetical BB scenario - I think the predominant factor is that the pot is small and not worth fighting over when we have no hand. Also, when SB leads into us they are showing strength - I think you're assigning them too weak of a range (air, other unpaired hands).

When the SB checks I'm not opposed to taking a shot at the pot. It's the same conceptually as why I'd rather lead with the fours than c/c (we're facing a weaker range).

BG: Whoa!! Your avatar is 'Stasis', that was such a sick awesome card to play and screw with everyone.

BG: Whoa!! Your avatar is 'Stasis', that was such a sick awesome card to play and screw with everyone.

I loved this card. I made like 4 different variants of Stasis decks and pwned. Add in cards that 'bounce' permanents (or just disenchant it at end of opponent's turn and lay another one after I untap) = villains cry.

--insert love of cards, winning, and fooking with people.

Hero calls in SB w 44 after HJ open-limper, BB checks. Q35rb flop.

PH,
After reading around about this situation and contemplating, would you please speak about the merits of a c/r here?

thanks.

I loved this card. I made like 4 different variants of Stasis decks and pwned. Add in cards that 'bounce' permanents (or just disenchant it at end of opponent's turn and lay another one after I untap) = villains cry.

--insert love of cards, winning, and fooking with people.

Did you ever get a turn 1 Stasis Lock though....saw a mate of mine do that....funny

Then again I played Vintage at times and then kinda figured out exactly what unfair was....I think it was about the time a Standard plyaer challenged me with a Psychatog deck and I Balanced/Orb'd him out of sight and then Flawless Victoried him. (i.e. no permanents, no hand, 20+ life)

man magic can turn people into douches

I'm surprised DD played Stasis though, he seems more the Aggro-Control / Combo type

PH,
After reading around about this situation and contemplating, would you please speak about the merits of a c/r here?

thanks.

I don't like it since we'll often be check/raising into a better hand. One player limped PF - that generally means he'll be passive. So when he's checked to on this flop I have trouble realistically believing he'll bet worse than a pair of fours.

The situation would be totally different if we defended 44 in the BB against a late position raiser. In that case since we expect them to cbet a Q54r board with 100% of their range, fours can easily be the best hand.

The key difference in my mind is that I expect the latter player to bet with worse hands, but I don't expect the former (the actual situation in the video) to do so. That makes c/r-ing pretty unappealing in my mind. I think I mentioned this somewhere in the video/thread, but we can expect to be up against a weaker range when we bet out and get called than we can be if we check and are facing a bet. This is absolutely critical in my mind.

Better late than never IMO...

I really liked the way you explained the Big cards want's short action - Draw combos multiway action.

Nice job with picking some lead out hands in limped pots

K8 ~27 min, I think you forgot that they only got 4-5BB's left after the flop 3bet. They are short and might just look to get all in (might, we don't have the read). However with 2 players being this short it get tricky and there's no reason to let them get all in. The river is really ugly and agree that folding is really best now.

AcTc great discussion IMO. What the **** did lildog due there, pretty Epic hand all the way, only one played it good was def. Adri...

KsJs from SB when Adri 3bet preflop and b f+t on 4s8dQhQs and check a Qc river. I really hate those spots myself... Thing is that he just doesn't call much we beat and fold better hands. But does he bet Ax it's close IMO? The only combos I can see betting here that we beat is JT,J9 and T9s, so like 12-28 combos (if he at all is opening this from the CO). But then again would he get to the river with worse, then there would be more value to a xc.

However, I agree with BG on the turn check-raise as a valid play here. We don't hate a freecard and we very well could get lower pp's to fold. He might also bluff with air which would have folded in stead. With this line i would check/fold this exact river aswell, I really doubt that he dares to bluff again after our turn xr.

Now I'm "only" 1 ep behind

Hi Isac, thanks for the feedback!

Good comments here - I am warming up the the turn c/r line more and more on the KJs hand.