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BigBadBabar brings in a ringer, PygmyHero. They talk the logistics on Limit 6max versus Full Ring as Babar plays 4 tables of $1/2 full ring.
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Hey guys, let us know what you thought - BBB and I are uniquely positioned to kick out a couple vids together if this is a hit, so if you liked it let us know!
I really liked this one, good content and I LOLed pretty hard a couple of times =)
Agreed. You guys might give FWF a run for his money on the LOLz. Great analysis, too.
sup guys, hope you like it
pyg and i think the word for this ep might be 'rollicking' imo
looks like the quality is better, ship the pygmyhero computer resolution!
On the A2cc hand on the 528hhh board, I'm pretty certain the best line is c/c c/c most turns and c/f most rivers. We just aren't doing well enough against his calldown range to c/r the flop at any level against almost any opponent imo. Also think about what c/r the flop with this hand does to your c/c range in this spot.
Time Link to 00:08:18
NO Peanuts for you on this one!! ![]()
Seriously though I can't remember the last time I've bet/called in a situation like this and been good (i.e. mass preflop action from non-aggro player followed by XPERT RIVER BOOM BOOM interspersed with Flop and Turn Pacifism more at home in the 60's!!!)
Jesus this slowplaying's killing me
Listening to Babs and Pygmy on playing live
I look at the board, it's ace ten eight six five
BBB asks Pyg on the board nuts will you opine
to which he replies of course its jack nine
and I jizz in my pants, yes I jizzed in my pants
that adult diaper didn't stand a chance
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This is gospel truth for the 1/2 level overall imo, even 6-max games.
The guys seem to have turn raise syndrome, because you're not xpert unless you're raising the turn. I love the line with AT in the previous hand due to this fact as well, great play imo.
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The KQs hand: I think a fold preflop should be considered. We see later that this guy doesn't raise KQs in EP, so his hand range consists of hands that dominate you and hands you flip with. I think KQo is an easy, easy fold and while I want to play KQs (two big cards, suited connector!), it's very borderline imo.
Once you get cold-called by a nit as well, I think checking back the flop should be considered. You basically have to barrel through the hand and hope they both don't have a hand that is auto showdowning. The thing is that many nits play very tight preflop but once they get in a hand, they just passively check/call their hands to showdown. I would not be shocked to see the nit check/call QQ all the way b/c he's afraid of AA and KK. I guess it's close because these players might well fold AK and AQ before seeing the river, which makes your bluff less expensive.
So giving up on the flop should be considered imo. (And I really don't agree with your plan of auto cbetting every flop 3handed. Even though it's generally fine most of the time, I think you can make exploitative check backs in the right situations.) As played, I agree with your retrospective analysis that the turn bet is bad.
On the A2cc hand on the 528hhh board, I'm pretty certain the best line is c/c c/c most turns and c/f most rivers. We just aren't doing well enough against his calldown range to c/r the flop at any level against almost any opponent imo. Also think about what c/r the flop with this hand does to your c/c range in this spot.
Agree with this, except I think the last sentence is irrelevant at these stakes (but worth pondering for players at these limits to prepare for moving on up).
River bet is an extreme fail. As played on flop and turn, river check/fold is probably best. (Would have saved you a bet given his actual hand.)
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JJ hand: I think a river check/call is terrible, but I think you should be at least considering a river check/fold. There is literally no worse hand that value bets you, and the range of hands that you beat has SD value, so he's going to check them back.
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ATo: I'd fold preflop because I'm in the SB and I hate playing a hand that is a dog to his range out of position. Different story if I have the button ...
Agree with this, except I think the last sentence is irrelevant at these stakes (but worth pondering for players at these limits to prepare for moving on up).
I think this kind of thing comes up a lot. Here's what I think about it. Yes, sometimes there is a part of decision that is somewhat irrelivent given the stakes/villains we are facing; however it's still a usefull thing to consider in general and you should consider it (the general thing, not necisarily this particular decision) while your playing.
After all, aren't we trying to learn to beat competent opponents? I know I still am.
For whatever reason I've seen a ton of TAGs posting behind at 2/4-5/10 6max lately... I keep thinking "sweet" then after 30 hands they're turning into lagtags. Generally though it's a good sign that they're a little weaker, and I love guys that post UTG.
Also regarding the KQs hand. I think you can fold this here PF, but playing it doesn't matter much. In a live setting if some sort of standard bad live tagfish raises I think coldcalling a hand like KQs is probably best, even first in. Then again, every time I see a decent player coldcall first in I put their range squarely on 88/KQs... but most live players are so terrible that I wouldn't worry about that. About the actual hand I agree with the poster above who said you can prolly check this flop. Your hand sucks when a tight guy coldcalls 2 from the blinds and you had a somewhat tight guy raising in the first place. If you bet the flop you certainly shouldn't try to barrel off with basically no showdown value in a spot where no one is folding better. But you guys covered that.
And one thing regarding chopping: I haven't really taken to chopping mainly because it does create a seemingly huge amount of animosity against a ton of players. If anything my preferred image would be winning/friendly, even though I'm usually playing ridiculously loose. So if I can keep people from spite 3betting me and getting angry by passing on a little bit of EV in a situation that doesn't happen a ton, then meh, whatever. Also, you'll sometimes have some softplaying BTN fold when he might have otherwise raised just so you can chop. I once saw some guy on the BTN fold KK face up so the blinds could chop. I do chop 5 handed or less and let people know that, but it's pretty marginal in a ton of spots anyways.
I really liked this one, good content and I LOLed pretty hard a couple of times =)
ty himmelsdyk, we love feedback!
Agreed. You guys might give FWF a run for his money on the LOLz. Great analysis, too.
ty sir; pyg is a badass
On the A2cc hand on the 528hhh board, I'm pretty certain the best line is c/c c/c most turns and c/f most rivers. We just aren't doing well enough against his calldown range to c/r the flop at any level against almost any opponent imo. Also think about what c/r the flop with this hand does to your c/c range in this spot.
agree that this was one of three or four early hands where i definitely spewed and hadn't adjusted my ranges well at all. i keep thinking i can go for sick value or that i need to balance or whatever when the fact of the matter is that at these stakes it's just not the right play.
NO Peanuts for you on this one!!
Seriously though I can't remember the last time I've bet/called in a situation like this and been good (i.e. mass preflop action from non-aggro player followed by XPERT RIVER BOOM BOOM interspersed with Flop and Turn Pacifism more at home in the 60's!!!)
Jesus this slowplaying's killing me
absolutely agree, i got tarped good a few times and then decided to call to punish myself and to let everyone watching the video know that these guys don't bluff ![]()
Listening to Babs and Pygmy on playing live
I look at the board, it's ace ten eight six five
BBB asks Pyg on the board nuts will you opine
to which he replies of course its jack nine
and I jizz in my pants, yes I jizzed in my pants
that adult diaper didn't stand a chance
there once was a poster named sweetjazz
whose poetry kicked lots of sweet azz
he'd drop a hot verse
with nary a curse
even if his content was a bit crass!
JJ hand: I think a river check/call is terrible, but I think you should be at least considering a river check/fold. There is literally no worse hand that value bets you, and the range of hands that you beat has SD value, so he's going to check them back.
absolutely agree, i think i say in the video that i definitely spewed mightily in a couple of these early hands
ATo: I'd fold preflop because I'm in the SB and I hate playing a hand that is a dog to his range out of position. Different story if I have the button ...
i think this one is pretty close; the guy has a raise button and is kinda loose, although certainly not laggy; i felt like i might have a small edge postflop and as is the case in these videos i'm definitely trying to get in there whenever i have a playable-ish scenario.
For whatever reason I've seen a ton of TAGs posting behind at 2/4-5/10 6max lately... I keep thinking "sweet" then after 30 hands they're turning into lagtags. Generally though it's a good sign that they're a little weaker, and I love guys that post UTG.
Also regarding the KQs hand. I think you can fold this here PF, but playing it doesn't matter much. In a live setting if some sort of standard bad live tagfish raises I think coldcalling a hand like KQs is probably best, even first in. Then again, every time I see a decent player coldcall first in I put their range squarely on 88/KQs... but most live players are so terrible that I wouldn't worry about that. About the actual hand I agree with the poster above who said you can prolly check this flop. Your hand sucks when a tight guy coldcalls 2 from the blinds and you had a somewhat tight guy raising in the first place. If you bet the flop you certainly shouldn't try to barrel off with basically no showdown value in a spot where no one is folding better. But you guys covered that.
And one thing regarding chopping: I haven't really taken to chopping mainly because it does create a seemingly huge amount of animosity against a ton of players. If anything my preferred image would be winning/friendly, even though I'm usually playing ridiculously loose. So if I can keep people from spite 3betting me and getting angry by passing on a little bit of EV in a situation that doesn't happen a ton, then meh, whatever. Also, you'll sometimes have some softplaying BTN fold when he might have otherwise raised just so you can chop. I once saw some guy on the BTN fold KK face up so the blinds could chop. I do chop 5 handed or less and let people know that, but it's pretty marginal in a ton of spots anyways.
sup nch, good to see you over here, and thanks for the feedback!
i agree about the kqs hand being spewy and i commented on it a bit elsewhere as well. i don't really like the idea of coldcalling it first in, online or live (or in any congruent situation) - would much rather 3bet it even live. you even say yourself that this really narrows and defines my range here and i think even though the average live player won't notice, i still don't like counting on the idea of assuming that my opponents aren't with it. did that make sense? i would rather play really well than play decently well with slight meh spots and then hope no one notices ![]()
as for your chopping thing, i both agree and disagree. if you can maintain a friendly chirpy table image then i think guys aren't gonna flip out vs you if you tell em you don't chop. if you roll in there with the FTP hoodie and say it all meanly and then crank up the ipod, sure, people might get peeved. and yea it is kind of marginal in general, but i see LHE as a game of tons of marginal spots and if there's a whole category of these spots where i think i play better than my opponents then i certainly don't want to be passing it up. i think in general your points about table image are spot on though, and i do anything i can to keep a table friendly and fun even if i am raising every hand.
Great fun. I check out every vid even if I dont play the game and I would never think about playing LHE FR but you guys made it really enjoyable and funny.
Definately continue with 2 coaches.
so if you liked it let us know!
Yep, really great video guys, hope you do some more of these.
Also want to add that I like BBBs method of explaining what he would do if different cards come on the next hand or if different players bet and what that would mean. By doing this kind of thing it's like seeing 4 or 5 different hands in just one hand (hope I explained that ok).
Great fun. I check out every vid even if I dont play the game and I would never think about playing LHE FR but you guys made it really enjoyable and funny.
Definately continue with 2 coaches.
ty for the feedback!
Yep, really great video guys, hope you do some more of these.
Also want to add that I like BBBs method of explaining what he would do if different cards come on the next hand or if different players bet and what that would mean. By doing this kind of thing it's like seeing 4 or 5 different hands in just one hand (hope I explained that ok).
yep xrosswind it definitely makes sense and that's always one of my goals, is trying to plan out what to do in lots of situations and not just in this specific hand. that's partially because lots of these situations are very closely related! ![]()
Great video, lots of fun
! But these games are even more bizzare than ur jokes.
Great video, lots of fun! But these games are even more bizzare than ur jokes.
ty sir
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Hey guys...GREAT video
One question so far.
Upper Left:
Why do you want to bet any broadway card here? Are you counting on them not having the seven or deuce?
Thanks! ![]()
Hey guys...GREAT videoOne question so far.
Upper Left:
Why do you want to bet any broadway card here? Are you counting on them not having the seven or deuce?
Thanks!
i mean it's unlikely he has a seven or a deuce. i have king high either way so i can easily fold at any point if he raises me. if i am betting a broadway turn card, it means either i hit a pair (king or jack) or i am betting the queen hoping he folds ace high, or i am betting the ace, representing it and maybe hoping he folds a small pair.
i mean it's unlikely he has a seven or a deuce. i have king high either way so i can easily fold at any point if he raises me. if i am betting a broadway turn card, it means either i hit a pair (king or jack) or i am betting the queen hoping he folds ace high, or i am betting the ace, representing it and maybe hoping he folds a small pair.
Thanks BBB, so much to learn!
BTW your vids are awesome.
ty - welcome to dc!
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