Entity
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Hey guys,
Since I wanted to get this up as soon as possible I've put up the MP4/Flash versions, but the WMV isn't done producing yet. You can download the MP4 version and watch it using VLC or GOMPlayer if you want, so everyone should have access to shit now. 
Rob
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DubsterVR6
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nemesiz
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Hey Gman, In the end of the video you shoved KJ on ATxT board, this is a spot where I have struggeled a lot to find a good reasoning. Can you please elaborate on why you choosed to shove, instead of calling when you think ure ahead, at least I felt that u reasoned that way.
PS. please dont min RR in more videos, I feel like some secrets are best untold.
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shawshank
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32:43 Jay 3bets preflop & you min raise on flop w/ TP (A7o vs 64dd on AJ9dd flop). both of you are 200bb deep.
Even w/ the rules & exploiting Jay's leaks, isn't a min-raise this deep pretty gross? There are so many draws on this board so aren't you giving Jay a great price to call & see a turn w/ great odds (+ even better implied odds given his insanely wide 3betting range)?
The min raise makes more sense 100bb deep or on a board that is less drawy (or if you are trying to induce a shove from a draw).
In short, can you give more detail on your thought process w/ the min raise in this specific situation?
Great series, gman!! s/s.
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Nakkimunakas
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smizmiatch
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Great video. I like the improvements.
Can you please post in comments exactly what the restrictions were? I know a lot of 3-betting was required, and it seems like there was a ton of double barreling. Anything else?
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insyder19
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Gman,
why do you keep using the word "retarded"?
As for the video. Good content but I would much rather prefer Jay playing however he wants to play. Figured out way too fast that he's acting like a maniac.
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Gman
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Hey Gman, In the end of the video you shoved KJ on ATxT board, this is a spot where I have struggeled a lot to find a good reasoning. Can you please elaborate on why you choosed to shove, instead of calling when you think ure ahead, at least I felt that u reasoned that way.
PS. please dont min RR in more videos, I feel like some secrets are best untold.
Stack sizes were such that made calling awkward. By this I specifically mean that because I would be getting such a good price on a river call, Jay was extremely unlikely to bluff the river. And given the fact that I only have K high, he always will have at least 6 free outs to catch up on the river.
As for shoving vs folding, I felt like his double barreling frequency in 3 bet pots was pretty high and he was only repping a very narrow range when he bets the turn (Tx and maybe some big Ax hands, but that's a big maybe). What made the decision close was that Jay knows all of that, so it seemed like a really bad spot for him to fire the turn.
As it turns out, I was right as one of the rules ended up being that he had to double barrel the turn >50% of the time in 3 bet pots.
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Gman
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32:43 Jay 3bets preflop & you min raise on flop w/ TP (A7o vs 64dd on AJ9dd flop). both of you are 200bb deep.
Even w/ the rules & exploiting Jay's leaks, isn't a min-raise this deep pretty gross? There are so many draws on this board so aren't you giving Jay a great price to call & see a turn w/ great odds (+ even better implied odds given his insanely wide 3betting range)?
The min raise makes more sense 100bb deep or on a board that is less drawy (or if you are trying to induce a shove from a draw).
In short, can you give more detail on your thought process w/ the min raise in this specific situation?
There isn't too much more I can add to this aside from everything I mentioned in the video. But typically a min-raise this deep is actually gross because your hand isn't strong enough to stack off 200bb deep (and sometimes even 100bb deep). But given how crazy he had been 3 betting and his 100% c-bet in 3 bet pots, and my constant min-raising (esp. on A high boards) I thought it was good for all the reasons I mentioned in the video.
Part of the reason I min-raised there was clearly for balance reasons as a bigger raise there looks a lot scarier. Yes we are giving him a great price to just flat the min-raise but if we just call his bet which would be standard we are giving him a chance to see the turn for free. And as I mentioned, I thought it was pretty likely that Jay would 3 bet the flop and just try to get it in w/ any type of decent draw believing that it was very likely I had air in that spot as this was the 3rd A high 3 bet pot that I had min-raised his cbet on already; furthermore, on another hand I just flatted w/ a FD on an AKxhh board texture so he likely discounted the likelyhood of me having a good draw and shoving over a 3 bet as a semibluff.
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Gman
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Cool vid, maybe slightly showy, but at least entertainment value is huge. Definitely better not knowing the rules and restrictions, but what were they exactly in the end?
Appreciate all of the positive feedback from this video. I think we have finally have a winner now for future episodes. Look forward to me playing Vanessa, Emil, and Aaron in the last 5 episodes.
The rules were:
a) must 3 bet >75%
b) must cbet in every 3 bet pot
c) Must double barrel in >50% of 3 bet pots
d) Must 5 bet shove every other 4 bet (which I think he cheated on a little bit, but nevertheless he ended up doing a lot of 5 bet shoving.) Unfortunately for me he did it w/ 3-4 strong/standard hands to 5 bet shove w/ so it threw off my reads a bit.
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Gman
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Gman,
why do you keep using the word "retarded"?
As for the video. Good content but I would much rather prefer Jay playing however he wants to play. Figured out way too fast that he's acting like a maniac.
Sorry if that offends or annoys you. I am actually a pretty big human rights activist so I def. am not trying to demean anyone who is mentally challenged.
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toby
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Maybe go through the restrictions at the end of the vid? Kind of like u did earlier, but this time the discussion being weighted to how u reacted and adjusted to his "leaks" rather than the now obsolete discussion concerning how to exploit said "leaks".
thx for a great series!
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UKFAN1687
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UKFAN1687
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big improvement but it would be better if
1- you didn't know you was playing Krantz or X player before the session.
2- we got krantz side of the video with audio live during play.
3- your commentary should be live but add the hole cards after the session
to confirm your reads.
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KRANTZ
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d) Must 5 bet shove every other 4 bet (which I think he cheated on a little bit, but nevertheless he ended up doing a lot of 5 bet shoving.)
def didn't cheat, the rule was 50% and not every other so if i had QQ after 5-bet shoving 47o I shoved it but then folded the next two, etc.
v good audio discussion IMO
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Gman
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def didn't cheat, the rule was 50% and not every other so if i had QQ after 5-bet shoving 47o I shoved it but then folded the next two, etc.
v good audio discussion IMO
Ah ok, I misunderstood the rule then.
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Bambu
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There isn't too much more I can add to this aside from everything I mentioned in the video. But typically a min-raise this deep is actually gross because your hand isn't strong enough to stack off 200bb deep (and sometimes even 100bb deep). But given how crazy he had been 3 betting and his 100% c-bet in 3 bet pots, and my constant min-raising (esp. on A high boards) I thought it was good for all the reasons I mentioned in the video.
Part of the reason I min-raised there was clearly for balance reasons as a bigger raise there looks a lot scarier. Yes we are giving him a great price to just flat the min-raise but if we just call his bet which would be standard we are giving him a chance to see the turn for free. And as I mentioned, I thought it was pretty likely that Jay would 3 bet the flop and just try to get it in w/ any type of decent draw believing that it was very likely I had air in that spot as this was the 3rd A high 3 bet pot that I had min-raised his cbet on already; furthermore, on another hand I just flatted w/ a FD on an AKxhh board texture so he likely discounted the likelyhood of me having a good draw and shoving over a 3 bet as a semibluff.
I think I understand your reasoning for raising the flop in this spot, but would it not be better to raise a little larger and create a situation in which we induce a shove from our opponent with his wide range of semi-bluffs?
I realize you had been min-raising (when raising) against continuation bets in 3bet pots until this hand, but you had also been doing so when you weren't deep. Personally, it doesn't seem like the strength of your hand would be reflective of your raise sizing at this point considering it was the first 3bet pot with deeper stacks.
I’m probably making several wrong assumptions here, but anyway, great video!
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