Poker Video: Misc/Other by Messiah (Micro/Small Stakes)

This is precisely what I needed thanks alot guys

Excellent explanation about the cold call % so to know when and who to 3-bet

I hope in next video some spots where you double-barrel on the turn, I know you talked about but no situation really happened.

Good for beginner (so micro-small stakes players)

Will also suggest if you can quickly talk about table selection if we dont have/usea software like the one you showed.

Greetings!

I have a question about cold call percentage. In the video you state that less than 1.0 indicates a wide 3 bet range and greater than 1.5 indicates a narrow 3 bet range. I am sure you know more about this than I do, but it seems to me the opposite would be true.

If I understand correctly, this stat shows the percentage of times a person cold calls a raise. I am going to use a very EXTREME example so you will understand my thinking and be able to help me understand correctly.

If player "A" had a cold call percentage of 100%, I would think he cold called a raise every time he had an opportunity to cold call. This would lead me to believe that he had a very wide cold calling range. If player "B" had a cold calling range of 50%, I would think he cold called a raise half the time he had an opportunity to do so. I would think he had a wide range, but I would think his range is smaller than player "A". If player "C" had a cold calling range of 10%, I would think he only cold called raises 10% of the time he had an opportunity to do so. This would lead me to believe that he had the narrowest cold calling range of the three.

This is very important to me because I do use this stat and if I understood you correctly, I have been interpreting the stat backwards. If I have been interpreting this backwards, it would help me understand why I don't get results I desire. It also makes me wonder what other stats I have been butching.

Looking forward to you reply with great anticipation.

Paul
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Greetings!
Disregard, I see where I misunderstood you. Since they have a wide cold calling range, then that leaves a small range for them to 3 bet with. When they have a small cold calling range that leaves a wide range for them to 3 bet with.

I think I got it now!

Paul
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This is very important to me because I do use this stat and if I understood you correctly, I have been interpreting the stat backwards. If I have been interpreting this backwards, it would help me understand why I don't get results I desire. It also makes me wonder what other stats I have been butching.

Looking forward to you reply with great anticipation.

Yes, you are (were) interpreting it backwards. (You are correct in your second post) -> The small range they cold call when they have a chance to, means they are 3-betting with a wider range (3-betting lighter).

You will often find an incompetent "drooler" with say 40/8/1.5 stats and a 2.9% Cold Call % and when they do end up 3-betting you can pretty much polarize their range to something almost as narrow as JJ+ AK.

On the other hand you will see some regulars playing 22/18/3 with a .55 Cold Call % they are 3-betting an insanely wide range (sometimes any two cards in the right situations).

Anyway, I will elaborate more on cold call % and more in-depth on other statistics I use during decision making/sessions, but in the meantime if you have question about your interpretation of this, or other stats, please feel free to ask here.

Messiah

Just started watching your video and noticed that you seem to be making a mistake when rating players by stacksize. Unless the program ignores the 2nd number if it's below the 1st, you're doing the opposite of what you want. You have it set to 50 to 0 and 60 to 0 instead of 50/60 to 100, which makes it a maximum of 50/60 BBs instead of a minimum.

Just started watching your video and noticed that you seem to be making a mistake when rating players by stacksize. Unless the program ignores the 2nd number if it's below the 1st, you're doing the opposite of what you want. You have it set to 50 to 0 and 60 to 0 instead of 50/60 to 100, which makes it a maximum of 50/60 BBs instead of a minimum.

If you set the minimum to X and leave maximum at "0" it is treated as infinity. So the range would be between X and infinity.

I would not set it to 100, b/c lets say there is a player we want to know about in our parameters with a 450bb stack, he would be left out, therefore leaving it to infinity is superior IMO.

Hope this makes it clearer.

Yeah, once I saw the stats of your opponents at the tables you chose, I figured that was probably the case. Thanks for clarifying.

My eye sight is poor and it is very difficult for me to read the numbers on the video screen. It would help me a lot, and probably others, if you would post a brief summary of key numbers. For example, the numbers that you use as a filter, CC percentages 1.0, 1.5, and .55 and what they mean to you. Bet river percentages and what they mean to you, and so on. Even a single page crib sheet would be immensely valuable to me. Thanks.

I also use Spadeeye. I have it set to do two things.
1) Find all tables at desired level with at least two players whose VP$IP is at least 35 and they have at least 80BB in their stacks.
2)Find all tables at desired level with at least one player whose VP$IP is at least 40 and they have at least 80BB in their stack.

My goal was to find tables with loose-passive players to play against.

After watching this vid a few times maybe I should loosen up my stack size requirement, especially when I can't find more than three tables that meet my requirements lol.

This is very important to me because I do use this stat and if I understood you correctly, I have been interpreting the stat backwards. If I have been interpreting this backwards, it would help me understand why I don't get results I desire. It also makes me wonder what other stats I have been butching.

Looking forward to you reply with great anticipation.



Yes, you are (were) interpreting it backwards. (You are correct in your second post) -> The small range they cold call when they have a chance to, means they are 3-betting with a wider range (3-betting lighter).

You will often find an incompetent "drooler" with say 40/8/1.5 stats and a 2.9% Cold Call % and when they do end up 3-betting you can pretty much polarize their range to something almost as narrow as JJ+ AK.

On the other hand you will see some regulars playing 22/18/3 with a .55 Cold Call % they are 3-betting an insanely wide range (sometimes any two cards in the right situations).

Anyway, I will elaborate more on cold call % and more in-depth on other statistics I use during decision making/sessions, but in the meantime if you have question about your interpretation of this, or other stats, please feel free to ask here.

Messiah

I have problems with interpreting how CC relates to 3betting range.
Cold calling means calling bet and raise.

from http://www.playwinningpoker.com/poker/terms/cold-call.html

Cold Call
Calling (but not raising) when faced with more than one bet in a single action.
If one opponent bets, and another raises, and you call, you have cold called.

So 1% CC would roughly mean cold calling with JJ/QQ (JJ - 0.45%, QQ - 0.45%)
Difference between 1% CC and 3% CC (TAG and fish) means that fish is calling raise and reraise with 3% of their range
this could be 88-JJ,AQ,AJ, and TAG is calling only w JJ/QQ or TT/JJ

Could you explain how this translates to reraising ranges?

Thanks

great video with lots of usefull information. thank you.

but what i'd like would be a video were the information is more dense. like you explain a pahud stat and then show 4 or 5 specific hand example how to use it in the decision making process. i think this would be a good way to teach the use of the stats more quickly.

great video with lots of usefull information. thank you.

but what i'd like would be a video were the information is more dense. like you explain a pahud stat and then show 4 or 5 specific hand example how to use it in the decision making process. i think this would be a good way to teach the use of the stats more quickly.

I actually echo these thoughts, as there is a ton of useful information that we can take from statistics in the state of todays games. The thing is it is fairly difficult to cover in standalone videos. If we have discussion, analysis, and example on one stat that would take almost an entire alloted ~45 minutes in a video. On the other hand, I am not sure there would be enough interest in a whole series on Using Statistics in an upcoming season.

This is obviously open for discussion..

yeah. i am pretty sure it is not an easy thing to construct such a video. and this style is certainly not suited for all pahud stats. i am not sure either if there is enough demand, but the more i am getting into pahud (besides 70/30/2/952 stuff), the more i realize that using it's informations right is like an art. and it is certainly an art i haven't mastered yet. so i'd be interested in one or two more videos covering it with a little more depth.

yeah. i am pretty sure it is not an easy thing to construct such a video. and this style is certainly not suited for all pahud stats. i am not sure either if there is enough demand, but the more i am getting into pahud (besides 70/30/2/952 stuff), the more i realize that using it's informations right is like an art. and it is certainly an art i haven't mastered yet. so i'd be interested in one or two more videos covering it with a little more depth.

Part II which also covers CBET % , FCBET % , Bet river %, and Cold Call % is finished and should be up on the site within a few days.

I just want to say that I am definitely interested in a series that covers these stats. If you use the format that is used in Unconventional Wisdom I think you could cover quite a bit of ground in an eight week series. You could use Two weeks for each of the following: Pre-flop stats, Flop Stats, Turn stats, River stats.

You could break it down as stats to consider against Losse-Aggressive, Loose Passives, Tight-Aggressive, or Tight-Passive opponent.

You could just pick the stats you think are the most helpful and explain them until you run out of time.

Remember, these ideals of mine are just suggestions. If I knew what really needed to be done I would have my own site or be an Executive Producer here lol.

Paul
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Once you 4bet villain w/ AQo to 42 in the squeeze situation; are you calling a shove? It seems you are getting 200:60, so you'd need 30% equity to break even. I guess that means you will fold, b/c villain folds 90% of the time to your 4bet.

Is that correct?

you say that CC under 1 means he is 3beting light. i think this makes no scence. yes it is true that CC bigger means he is 3betting less but how you come to a number of 1?!

very nice video could you upload your pokerace hud layout and put a link on here?

very nice video could you upload your pokerace hud layout and put a link on here?

Glad you liked the video - I will get the layout uploaded by this weekend

Glad you liked the video - I will get the layout uploaded by this weekend

Thanks, im still fairly new to play poker for real money and these vids help alot

Nice video. Two question.....1) what size does your database have to be to make Spadeye (or similar) a worthwhile investment? 2) Is there any shortcut way of increasing your database size or is it just a case of playing lots of games ?

Sorry if these are noob questions, but Im a noob!

Nice video. Two question.....1) what size does your database have to be to make Spadeye (or similar) a worthwhile investment? 2) Is there any shortcut way of increasing your database size or is it just a case of playing lots of games ?

Sorry if these are noob questions, but Im a noob!

Teecee90,

As always, never be afraid to ask questions as all of the coaches and other members are here to help each other - to build a better community.

Many people 'datamine' which could mean different things depending on which site(s) you play on - basically you get hand history data on multiple tables even while not playing. In fact, spadeeye itself has the datamine feature which works on most sites.

While you can get a general idea of how someone plays after a few orbits, some stats like cold call and bet river take hundreds if not 1,000 or more hands to converge.

Hope this helps and feel free to ask any other questions you may have.

Very nice video Messiah.

Wanted to ask 3 quick questions about your 4b of the TAG's squeeze (at 22 minutes).

1. Is this 4b/call or 4b/fold to push? After you 4 bet, effective stacks are $60, pot is $63. I'm just thinking that we probably don't have the 30%+ equity we need against his shoving range, which must be pretty narrow: {TT+,AK} or whatever. At the same time, folding seems nasty given the amount we've put in the middle, so I'm never really sure about this spot.

2. And would you ever make this 4b with a hand like say 67s or 88, on the basis that we should trust our read that most of villain's squeezing range can't stand a 4b, so we should make that 4b irresective of our hand?

3. Generally, do you favour erring on the small side with the sizing of your 4b's - partly to cut the price of our 4b bluffs, and partly to induce light shoves or light calls when we have the goods?

Thanks!

where's the download link for this video?

And what about HEM?

In their forums it's explained that CC in PTv2 is the same as "Call open" in HEM. However, many have noticed that these two are not exactly the same (different calc. formula) so what was 1.5% in pahud now becomes like 12% or <insert something random>.

And what about HEM?

In their forums it's explained that CC in PTv2 is the same as "Call open" in HEM. However, many have noticed that these two are not exactly the same (different calc. formula) so what was 1.5% in pahud now becomes like 12% or <insert something random>.

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Bump.

I'd also like to know this answer since I'm using HEM instead of PT.