Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by DeathDonkey (High Stakes)

Time Link to 00:28:13

lol, what a silly hand. iirc at the time of the session i was doing a little bit of experimenting with colcalling preflop in spots like this, and i have to say i don't hate my preflop play here. sure, cheezyface doesnt have a lot of money left, but he still has enough to put in one bad bet on every street (as he almost did), and his range is wide and erratic. vucats' range should be huge, too. i'd be sursprised if QTs were at the bottom of his range. that said, folding might still be better.

Time Link to 00:37:45

no idea why i donked the flop. maybe i was trying to induce something spazzy from 87 or w/e, maybe i just donked before i looked at the board agree with you that it's an insta c/c 3 streets situation.

Time Link to 00:12:27

Fantastic video as always guys

The Hand where DD Identifies Cheezeball's River betting range made the whole video worth watching imo. I feel this is something that players playing mass tables are going to miss and it's going to make playing vs this guy on the river far easier and more profitable.

The fact we than get to see multiple hands where this comes to fruition such as:

KT-high Calldown

99 really??

BPTK vs Polarized Range

Make this stand out as such an important concept

Great stuff

Also YAY Cheezeface!!

Sorry Fnupple but it did make me lol....I'm pretyt sure you don't mind THAT much now you're playing 100/200HUHU . Congrats on that btw

Now let's see if this link thing works.....Hey would you look at that. Alright I cacked it up a bit but this is so cool

Time Link to 00:47:06

good discussion imo. the only thing tilting me about it having to stare at my holecards all the way through it

Sorry Fnupple but it did make me lol....I'm pretyt sure you don't mind THAT much now you're playing 100/200HUHU .

Yeah, I lol'ed too nh cheezy, i wouldn't be where i'm now without players like you.

Congrats on that btw

tyty!

video bookmarks are so awesome

Time Link to 00:34:14

Audio starts de-syniching a tad around here, not too bad but a little annoying

Doesn't detract that much from the content though....or the quads

~42 minutes in, on the hand with JTo on the BTN when the fishy BB donks the 972 flop:

I completely agree with DeathDonkey that a call is the way to go. Putting in more bets now while behind in the hopes on getting a free card is not a good enough reason to raise. We are practically guaranteed to have the BB bet his entire range on the turn and the river. I much prefer waiting to raise after we improve than building a bigger pot now when we are an underdog to his random hand.

I think DD has programmed my brain, because I agree with u like 95% ! Have watched too many videos I guess and have a very similar, "small ball" (limit version) game plan.

Take a hand like J9s in the BB when Cheezlaw limps in the CO. I really hate raising tbh. First off I don't understand what Mike means with "raise for value". I mean I can't see us having an equity edge. CL is also spazzy and SD-bound so in hands when we both miss he will have higher equity (winning chance). I much prefer checking and see a flop vs this opponent type.

The idea of really noticing how thinly ur opponent v-bets and using that in call down spots is something I remember DD teaching me earlier in some vid. It's a super useful concept, so everyone should pay close attention !

KQ vs K7 @ about 20 mins.

The river discussion makes me feel like a turn bet by KQ is in order. Too often I'm checking that board pairing 6 turn and getting bet into 100% of the time on the river. Of course in the hand fnupple rivers a Q and its easy to play but the times its like a 2 or J or something K7s wins. I prefer a turn bet to make all those silly 6 outers fold to save myself some river agony. Thoughts?

Hi DonkeyOnTilt,

Well as I think we have tried to describe, its fine to go ahead and bet the hand to charge players that are fairly predictable and won't really punish you, but as soon as you start getting CRed with any regularity on the turn you'll find a new form of agony, so pick your poison

Overall you gotta check with something, and I certainly second barrel my worst hands a lot, as well as value bet my good hands, so something like KQ high is the type of hand I usually find to just say "well I'm going to check some part of my range here even though the river decision is going to be pretty crappy sometimes".

~42 minutes in, on the hand with JTo on the BTN when the fishy BB donks the 972 flop

How often is BB donking 65 (worse hand) here and betting the whole way regardless?
How often is he donking Q8 (better hand) here and won't be willing to SD UI to action?

These are always my concerns verse donkers.

Kudos on another awesome vid.

ciao

PS. "I'm too short for this ride." lmao

13:45 fnupple completes in the SB with J7o, limped pot.

Flop comes 8T2rb.

Is there any merit to a c/r here? Do we think the fish will bet ATC here?

Chris&Mike nice video as always and thank you for helping us out. I actually think the polarized river betting frequence of the fish and the first hand were quite intersting.

First hand is kind of a tough spot because we didn't know how wretched of a fish he was yet but as Mike L said I just can't imagine a fish not putting in at least a bet if he had any sort of a made hand. When the fish doesn't cbet the flop or turn as the PFR on a T7572 and raises the river I just think it applies to the concept of all or nothing. When I saw that hand I felt he was polarized to the nuts range, air, or random missed Khi/overs/Ahi types that decided to play the hand that way. With that said I would fold PF but in this case it was most likely correct because this guy is just one of the worst.

The explanation of the river betting frequency was very helpful as I definetly don't abuse this enough.

Couple nitty questions on the hands in the video. When Lela Dax 3bet A6s on the BTN is that standard even though cheezaface has ran the 3cold any 2 cards frequnetly in the session already? Considering its suited and it plays fine multiway maybe its fine but my range for 3betting Ax in general might be a bit too tight so wanted to check up.

Another question was with the KQ hand on the Tx66x board, are you advocating a quick call or quit call when villans aren't value betting AJ when you check the turn? Sorry just couldn't hear the audio afer I rewinded multiple times... I'm assuming its a quick call because if they aren't value betting AJ the hand range is too polarized to bluffs but just wanted to make sure.

Btw I think checking the turn there with KQ is standard against this specific villan. Often times the bet we put in will be a value bet we are putting in for the LAGTAG since he is rarely going to chk/f Ax on that board as DD has stated and the big thing is that only better hands are calling and no worse hands are rarely calling.

My problem seems to be I seem to not balance between betting and checking in these spots with the KQ types and learn closer to 100% for either checking or betting which I know can't be right. I know its not a clear cut answer as to what percentage you should be checking or betting as the PF 3bet on the BTN against the CO PFR on a Tx66 board but would you say like bet 20%, check 80%?

Hey maka, good questions...

I 3 bet any suited ace vs a LAGgy CO opener, and yeah I don't think I worry much about the blinds because with a suited ace if they come along fine by me.

Yes quick / snap call vs someone who isn't value betting his ace highs with the KQ, as you assumed.

Hmm to your sort of general question its definitely not 80/20 check/bet, 50/50 or maybe even more bets than checks I think. I am betting my pairs, betting AK/AQ, betting suited connectors that can't win a showdown, probably the only hands I am checking are marginal Axs hands sometimes and king highs if I had to guess.

Hi DonkeyOnTilt,

Well as I think we have tried to describe, its fine to go ahead and bet the hand to charge players that are fairly predictable and won't really punish you, but as soon as you start getting CRed with any regularity on the turn you'll find a new form of agony, so pick your poison

Overall you gotta check with something, and I certainly second barrel my worst hands a lot, as well as value bet my good hands, so something like KQ high is the type of hand I usually find to just say "well I'm going to check some part of my range here even though the river decision is going to be pretty crappy sometimes".

Clearly this is correct. Although I think I still prefer a bet against those guys who never ever check raise but will always call with any two. Thanks for the response.

Thank you DD, yea these are both major leaks on my part so I'm glad you were able to clear that up.

I think I misapplied the concept of checking the turn with the KQ types by checking the turn too often so good to know that I was wrong as I'll try to find a better optimal balance in the future.

Yea I'm definetly too tight when 3 betting suited Ax vs LAGy CO/BTN openers due to overanalysis on bad RIO we might have to face.

With that said are you really 3betting out of BTN or SB against a LAGy opener with A2s-A4s (assuming BB or SB is awful like cheezface)? I can see myself going down to A5s but for some reason the RIO involved with A2s-A4s and how bad it plays postflop makes me afraid of 3 betting...

I just wanted to make sure since even with some of the flopped pairs of 2-4's I have a tough time playing against most LAGs on certain boards due to how aggressive they can be especially on turn/river spots when an overcard hits.

This might be a mute argument considering your advice was from the BTN against the CO and not the SB. Then again, I'm guessing 3 betting most suited Ax can't be unprofitable out of the SB in a 3 handed game against a LAG BTN if your 3 betting all Ax suited against a LAG CO PFR on the BTN. Especially with the money you already have invested and how much wider the BTN PFR's range will be although it might be necessarry for the BB to be tight so we're not forced to play a shitty Ax suited 3 ways OOP.

However, overall this might just be a leak on my part as I'm not accustomed to 3betting these hands and I'm sure the pairs play fine postflop as long as HERO is playing them properly based on the opponent which I generally don't seem to on certain boards with the weak pairs.

I don't really have the sample size to say for sure how I'm doing with them but yeah I 3 bet those hands. I wouldn't be surprised if they are super marginal but I do think its important to fight with a wide range in those spots so even if its wrong I don't think its *that* wrong and its good for metagame right?

Yea thanks DD just wanted to clear it up because this is just a incompetence my part that I don't 3bet a wide enough range against LAGs and wanted to make sure with the hand ranges before I start experimenting.

As you say it can't be that marginal to do this where it would outweigh the future metahand advantages you'll have as well as the reasons you mentioned of how important it is to fight these spots.

Thanks for all the help DD and look forward to more videos as I these series so far