MickeyWins
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1)Ks3s....2s7cKh2c9s.....on this hand we called the flop and raised the turn.
Are we not losing value if/when opp. correctly folds to our turn raise?
Is calling the turn with the idea of raising the river to be considered?
2)Kd8d...Ts8h2cAc board. read of player 5 as loose passive.
It seems to me we have pot odds to call the turn if player 5 only has a Ace.(Ak.AQ,AJ.A9)
but the read on player 5, a big hand slowplayed or a gutshot, checking and then calling two cold on the flop.
are we narrowing player 5's range to at least two pair here when he raises the turn , therefore we can easily fold? I guess i am having trouble with reading the same player as bad enough to call two bets cold with a gutshot on the flop, but not bad enough/or is it good enough? to raise the turn with one pair of aces.
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Wolfram
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1)Ks3s....2s7cKh2c9s.....on this hand we called the flop and raised the turn.
Are we not losing value if/when opp. correctly folds to our turn raise?
Is calling the turn with the idea of raising the river to be considered?
If villain has a hand like he did he's too likely to check/call the river and then we lose value by not raising the turn.
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danzasmack
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1)Ks3s....2s7cKh2c9s.....on this hand we called the flop and raised the turn.
Are we not losing value if/when opp. correctly folds to our turn raise?
Is calling the turn with the idea of raising the river to be considered?
The play was made with the intention of slowing our opponent down in blind battles a lot more. Vs. a guy who checks a lot of turns I'm going to be jamming the flop obviously. But I had been peeling/folding the turn a good amount and this was a great spot to turn my flop peels into 2 card peels as opposed to 1 card peels. Your default should be to raise the turn but I find a lot of people don't struggle with that spot, so I wanted to show a bit of a different approach. It's a bit off track for what I've been doing week in and week out but I believe I mentioned that.
2)Kd8d...Ts8h2cAc board. read of player 5 as loose passive.
It seems to me we have pot odds to call the turn if player 5 only has a Ace.(Ak.AQ,AJ.A9)
but the read on player 5, a big hand slowplayed or a gutshot, checking and then calling two cold on the flop.
are we narrowing player 5's range to at least two pair here when he raises the turn , therefore we can easily fold? I guess i am having trouble with reading the same player as bad enough to call two bets cold with a gutshot on the flop, but not bad enough/or is it good enough? to raise the turn with one pair of aces.
It's a tight fold. If you run the stove numbers you see that we barely break-even on a call. But a lot of LP guys who call the flop drawing to an ace don't raise it when they actually hit it. Again, this was a tight fold but I really felt that when he did pop the turn I shouldn't have been in the hand.
You also have to put hands like 88 and 22 in his range here (that's the slowplay). You'll see that you're like a 9-1 dog vs. the whole range but I really don't think this guy would have popped the turn with A7o. People are going to call 2 vs. you if you are a a solid TAG who has been agrro up to this point because they may not be giving you as much credit.
Thanks for the feedback, if this doesn't clear it up I'll def. dig more into it.
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ThierryHenry
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i do not quite understand why you fold when you have pot odds to improve in this spot
He said he was getting 8-1 and he figured he was 9-1 against improving, so he wasn't quite getting the right price to call here.
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Cooin
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