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Ghost: Jongreenway (#4) - 100NL and 200NL

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Ghost: Jongreenway (#4) - 100NL and 200NL by jongreenway

In this Ghost episode JonGreenway dabbles in 200nl along with 100nl and discusses the differences between the two levels.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 67 minutes long
  • Posted over 2 years ago

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Comments for Ghost: Jongreenway (#4) - 100NL and 200NL

corsakh

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noidea555

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Been waiting for this for a while now. Thanks a lotSmile

Posted almost 3 years ago

PacoNicky

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You did fold J9s in SB vs CO raise. You were hesitating with a 3bet but don't you think that calling is a better option ?
I consider J9s as a great hand to call even oop, you can flop monsters, decent pairs, and big draws. Those are great things to balance your c/c and c/r ranges imo.

Posted almost 3 years ago

mrjusticerowlatt

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60mins JsTs on Th6s4s

We have a pair+fd but we also have the best hand often (and by raising don't we usually only get called by better whilst folding out worse? - with AsTs on this board or 6s7s on Ts6h4s it would be different). I guess what I'm trying to say is: why are we raising, and under what assumptions?

Raising and getting it in is obviously +EV (also, being aggressive probably makes the hand easier to play on later streets) and by calling we let dead hands like KQ and AJ see the turn, but there must be situations/conditions where calling has higher EV... Any thoughts?

Posted almost 3 years ago

Joe Tall

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You did fold J9s in SB vs CO raise. You were hesitating with a 3bet but don't you think that calling is a better option ?
I consider J9s as a great hand to call even oop, you can flop monsters, decent pairs, and big draws. Those are great things to balance your c/c and c/r ranges imo.



Could you leave a time-stamp for the coaches please? Better yet, watch this short video: http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/866-Using-the-Flash-Video-Player and leave a time link, much easier for them to find the hand and answer your questions, thanks.

Posted almost 3 years ago

PacoNicky

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Could you leave a time-stamp for the coaches please? Better yet, watch this short video: http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/866-Using-the-Flash-Video-Player and leave a time link, much easier for them to find the hand and answer your questions, thanks.



I am sorry I am relatively new to the site. I didn't manage to edit my message so it was at 7 mins on the bottom left table. I'll use the specific player next time.

Posted almost 3 years ago

sluggger5x

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Time Link to 00:18:36

Unless the 3 villains are complete nits here, I don't see you getting folds enough on the donkbet bluff. I see a lot of draws looking you up here.

Posted almost 3 years ago

vbmkay

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I don't understand why you 4bet the 78o on the bottom left vs the 19/14 guy and not the KJ hand earlier against the 24/21 guy on the bottom right.

Posted almost 3 years ago

noface

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Hell yeah, I want my pockets green like Jongreenway too =]

Posted almost 3 years ago

RoyalBluffz

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so why have you played so many hands at NL200? any particular reason?

Posted almost 3 years ago

Jewlian

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Your ability to run into aces with every single hand surpasses even my recent run.

Posted almost 3 years ago

jongreenway

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You did fold J9s in SB vs CO raise. You were hesitating with a 3bet but don't you think that calling is a better option ?
I consider J9s as a great hand to call even oop, you can flop monsters, decent pairs, and big draws. Those are great things to balance your c/c and c/r ranges imo.



Definitely. I'm cool with that for sure and I don't fold J9s there all the time at all. Could of gone either way Smile

Posted almost 3 years ago

jongreenway

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60mins JsTs on Th6s4s

We have a pair+fd but we also have the best hand often (and by raising don't we usually only get called by better whilst folding out worse? - with AsTs on this board or 6s7s on Ts6h4s it would be different). I guess what I'm trying to say is: why are we raising, and under what assumptions?

Raising and getting it in is obviously +EV (also, being aggressive probably makes the hand easier to play on later streets) and by calling we let dead hands like KQ and AJ see the turn, but there must be situations/conditions where calling has higher EV... Any thoughts?



He isn't the type of villain to double barrell very often (32% of the time) and I feel like he's never going to bluff the turn so I feel like since we have so much equity vs anything that we have to raise the flop (other option is calling and leading turn). Also, since we are repping a lot of draws and so few combos of sets that we can get action from worse hands often as well (although he is pretty nitty and folds to c bet raises a lot too).

Meh. Not sure if I explained that well.

Posted almost 3 years ago

jongreenway

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Unless the 3 villains are complete nits here, I don't see you getting folds enough on the donkbet bluff. I see a lot of draws looking you up here.



Yeah but I'm planning on betting tons of rivers and draws won't hit nearly enough to be able to call me.

Posted almost 3 years ago

jongreenway

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I don't understand why you 4bet the 78o on the bottom left vs the 19/14 guy and not the KJ hand earlier against the 24/21 guy on the bottom right.



Sorry, havn't seen this video in 3-4 weeks. Timestamp?

Posted almost 3 years ago

jongreenway

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so why have you played so many hands at NL200? any particular reason?



So I can be a well experienced coach for DC. It's been my life long dream Wink

Posted almost 3 years ago

DonkHero

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Jon - You comment that the villain needs a F3b > 67% for a 3b bluff to be profitable. Are you talking specifically when we are in the blinds, or from any position? If this is just from the blinds, what are you looking for when your IP?

Posted almost 3 years ago

Joe Tall

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I don't understand why you 4bet the 78o on the bottom left vs the 19/14 guy and not the KJ hand earlier against the 24/21 guy on the bottom right.




Could you leave a time-stamp for the coaches please? Better yet, watch this short video: http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/866-Using-the-Flash-Video-Player and leave a time link, much easier for them to find the hand and answer your questions, thanks

Posted almost 3 years ago

jongreenway

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Jon - You comment that the villain needs a F3b > 67% for a 3b bluff to be profitable. Are you talking specifically when we are in the blinds, or from any position? If this is just from the blinds, what are you looking for when your IP?



It's an overall average. It's an EV calculation for the money won/lost when they fold/don't fold. Keep in mind that the fold to 3 bet is an overall average and we don't have positional based fold to 3 bet stats. Someone's fold to 3 bet in the blinds will typically be a little lower so I would look for a bit higher of a fold to 3 bet in general when I'm bluff 3 betting in the blinds.

(It also assumes no post flop edge in 3 bet pots and that we are c/f and never doing anything post flop)

Posted almost 3 years ago

hurt

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i have to say you are a total hudbot. way too reliant on stats imo.

Posted almost 3 years ago

jongreenway

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i have to say you are a total hudbot. way too reliant on stats imo.



TY. Works well when 16 tabling.

Posted almost 3 years ago

ClicktyClick

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i have to say you are a total hudbot. way too reliant on stats imo.



I think he pretty much knows what he's doing being a top winner at 200nl Smile

Edit: Like the vid and sexy background

Posted almost 3 years ago

tubasteve

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I think he pretty much knows what he's doing being a top winner at 200nl Smile

Edit: Like the vid and sexy background




The problem is that almost no-one can make a good winrate playing 16-tables and relying almost solely on HUD. That's like the 1-way ticket to breakeven-ville for most players.

Now JG can obviously pull this off quite well, but I would caution against most players trying to emulate him unless they are already solidly beating the games and looking to just improve hourly, not skill level. I would also assume from his past vids that JG has a ridiculous number of hands on people so he won't have the sample size issues that a lot of players have.

Will be checking out the vid sometime this week after I'm done visiting the 'rents. <3

Posted almost 3 years ago

vbmkay

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Sorry, havn't seen this video in 3-4 weeks. Timestamp?



8:00 and 22:20

Posted almost 3 years ago

sluggger5x

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Donktard

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Time Link to 960 Seconds

What is your range for cold calling in this spot?



what table?

Posted almost 3 years ago

RainFall

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what table?


Bottom left obv where he folds 77.

I've called there with JJ before but alot of MSNL regs say 4bet>fold>call. or fold>4bet>call depending on player type.

I'd be interested to learn more though!

Posted almost 3 years ago

RainFall

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From my XP at 100NL when someone flats a 4bet OOP its like AA almost always.

Posted almost 3 years ago

RainFall

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Also the K3@16min mark on K22 can't your opponent can put you on a flush draw and vbet mid pairs against it?

Why wouldn't you lead this flop for value.

Posted almost 3 years ago

RainFall

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I also wanted to say your videos gave me an AHA moment betting 2nd pair where people will be continuing on a worse pair+OE & worse pair+gutters

Posted almost 3 years ago



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