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The Situation: Episode Three

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The Situation: Episode Three by Joe Tall

Joe takes the concepts from the first two episodes and reviews high hands he has recently played in the replayer.

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Joe Tall beats up the best playing the gentleman’s stud game, Stud 8 or better.

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  • Game: mixed
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 32 minutes long
  • Posted 11 months ago

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SilentBob

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Half way through ... LOL @ 'The SilentBob' Grin
Good stuff so far Joe ... might have some comments/questions when I get done through the rest of it, but the early stuff look like good practical examples of the types of hands you were talking about in the first two episodes.

Posted over 1 year ago

SilentBob

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Another good video Joe!

Questions about two hands:
@25:30
(JJ)6 v 2d bring-in
Given that you are in a steal spot, the bring could have a wide-ish range of hands to play (though not so wide to play back). Yes, it seems like a mistake to re-raise (unless super-strong, but then you can just call for deception - eg: if wired aces). Anyway ... obviously your board becomes scary & he mustn't have started so strong, but if he started with say 3 low diamonds (A5)2 for example, he's continuing on 5th against your board & would have a pretty decent chance of picking up at least half the pot, if not scooping. If he continues to bet 4th, are you calling? Same for 5th if he bets again? Would you consider raising at all? If you don't catch so good (say 9c on 4th & 2s on 5th) are you betting if checked to, or just checking behind?

@27:30
(QJ)Q v 6 re-raiser
Regarding the betting out on 4th by the 6Q ... does than have anything to do with the fact that they caught your door card, so logically its less likely that you have split queens (although there is also a dead 6, making rolled up 6s much less likely as well)? You raise here. What do you do if you get three bet (presumably by the top-of-the-range KK+ or 666)? Is there also value with the low door card having a less-defined hand? Potentially it could be high, low or both, whereas your hand with a Q door is pretty much high only (except if you have something like Ad4d in the hole). You don't like your bet on 6th without 2 pair. Given that his board has become somewhat scary, what was the plan if he raised there? Does the fact that you have a high-only hand (meaning you may only be playing for half the pot) make you more inclined to fold to a raise here?

Posted over 1 year ago

Joe Tall

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Another good video Joe!

Questions about two hands:
@25:30
(JJ)6 v 2d bring-in
Given that you are in a steal spot, the bring could have a wide-ish range of hands to play (though not so wide to play back). Yes, it seems like a mistake to re-raise (unless super-strong, but then you can just call for deception - eg: if wired aces). Anyway ... obviously your board becomes scary & he mustn't have started so strong, but if he started with say 3 low diamonds (A5)2 for example, he's continuing on 5th against your board & would have a pretty decent chance of picking up at least half the pot, if not scooping. If he continues to bet 4th, are you calling? Same for 5th if he bets again? Would you consider raising at all? If you don't catch so good (say 9c on 4th & 2s on 5th) are you betting if checked to, or just checking behind?



TIME LINKS PLEASE!!
http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/9641-Episode-Three?seek=1534

If he bets 4th, yes I'm calling, looking for a scary board to get him off his likely high-only hand as usually only a high-only hand will bet a brick into scary board HU. Depends on what comes off, but when bricked hands bet into scary low-only boards, they do not plan to fold. However they might single barrel and then c/f the next street if a low board gets even more scary (which mine did here).


@27:30
(QJ)Q v 6 re-raiser
Regarding the betting out on 4th by the 6Q ... does than have anything to do with the fact that they caught your door card, so logically its less likely that you have split queens (although there is also a dead 6, making rolled up 6s much less likely as well)?



Sooo much easier w/time links!! http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/9641-Episode-Three?seek=1675

It probably does have to do with this "logic" but it's faulty logic, as if I do not have Q/Q, I still have a high-only hand, so what does that leave me with? A hand that has his hand beat for sure. (KK, AA, JJ, etc)


You raise here. What do you do if you get three bet (presumably by the top-of-the-range KK+ or 666)?



If these are the only hands he's 3-betting me with, then I should be folding.


Is there also value with the low door card having a less-defined hand? Potentially it could be high, low or both, whereas your hand with a Q door is pretty much high only (except if you have something like Ad4d in the hole). You don't like your bet on 6th without 2 pair. Given that his board has become somewhat scary, what was the plan if he raised there?



I would call and pray. I really dont like my bet.

Does the fact that you have a high-only hand (meaning you may only be playing for half the pot) make you more inclined to fold to a raise here?



No, most of his range is some semi-bluff, so there is a good portion where I'm actually folding the whole pot when he misses.

Posted over 1 year ago

DiggerTheDog

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Thanks for the vid.

Can you please rank these holdings with some reasons why?
Assume that with each we are as live as possible

Assume that the third card is the door:
(a)KHeartQHeartJHeart
(b)KHeartKSpade5Spade
(c)KHeartAHeartKSpade
(d)QHeartQSpadeAClub

Posted over 1 year ago

Joe Tall

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Thanks for the vid.

Can you please rank these holdings with some reasons why?
Assume that with each we are as live as possible

Assume that the third card is the door:
(a)KHeartQHeartJHeart
(b)KHeartKSpade5Spade
(c)KHeartAHeartKSpade .
(d)QHeartQSpadeAClub



They are all relatively close overall shoving equity I assume the KhAh||Ks will have the lead, then KhKs|5s followed closely by QhQs|Ac and for sure last KhQhJh.

So playability + natural hand equity, I'd rank the low card up first with QQ|A, KK|5, nearly tied and then, KAK, KQJsss

QQ|A will steal a lot more and garnish more folds HU when both players brick, KK|5 will get weaker highs playing against it too long, and thus they each have different types of playability-equity, so to speak.

KAK might be the hardest to play, KQJsss would be the easiest as you basically fit or fold it.

Posted over 1 year ago

777group

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Time Link to 00:16:01

two hearts are dead.. he prob doesnt have a 3flush I d c/f and save a few bucks here

Posted about 1 year ago

777group

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Joe Tall

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two hearts are dead.. he prob doesnt have a 3flush I d c/f and save a few bucks here



You are giving them wayyyyy too much credit. The fact that he called w/xxJ when we completed xxK should show you he's not playing that well from go.

Posted about 1 year ago

Joe Tall

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can we c/f? should we?



Not on the river after he just calls our badly advised bet on 6th.

Posted about 1 year ago



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