Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by Grindcore (Mid Stakes)

very nice vid, ty

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What do you think about the villains c/r all in on the top left table? For me it seems that there are not many worse hands you can call here. QQ is probably the only hand he can hope you have and call. AA, KK, AK, KJ, JJ all beat his hand and it's very unlikely that you have and call with KT. So QQ is the only hand in your calling range that he beats?

What do you think about the villains c/r all in on the top left table? For me it seems that there are not many worse hands you can call here. QQ is probably the only hand he can hope you have and call. AA, KK, AK, KJ, JJ all beat his hand and it's very unlikely that you have and call with KT. So QQ is the only hand in your calling range that he beats?

Yeah I think it's bad and he should c/c. If he CRAIs KQ there he's also doing it with AJ as they're essentially the same hand, QQ in my range being the only difference, but AJ blocks AA and AK. He's just not a very good player. A bit unusual and spewy, which is why I cbet QQ to begin with, and why I have no 4b bluffing range there either. His player type is more common on iPoker.

Time Link to 00:10:05

Shouldnt you shove, even if he is strong? So much money already in the pot. Two overs and an open ender + some FE.

Shouldnt you shove, even if he is strong? So much money already in the pot. Two overs and an open ender + some FE.

I doubt we have any FE at all. c/mr usually has TPTK beat, so my overs won't be live very often. He's kind enough to make it cheap for me to draw by only c/mr, so I rather take advantage of that.

Time Link to 00:37:43

Why do you call the 3bet with 99 OOP vs a very tight player. Its not really strong vs his 3bet range, almost always overcards, youre pretty much forced to play fit or fold when he cbets...

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T4o - iso raise - could you explain why you do this

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So you consider 3-betting QJo...Dont see any value, hands that you dominate are going to fold (most of them at least) and he's gonna call with AQ, KQ... Im saying I think there's no need to have QJ in the 3b range, or what do u think?

Why do you call the 3bet with 99 OOP vs a very tight player. Its not really strong vs his 3bet range, almost always overcards, youre pretty much forced to play fit or fold when he cbets...

Tight players often flat with hands like AJ KQ in BvB. They 3b polarized, using hands like A5o to bluff. 99 dominates his 3b bluffs. If he was 3betting depolarized, 99 would be the same as 22, but this simply isn't the case here.

Time Link to 00:38:06

Do you think are there any merits to showing this bluff to a fish? What in general is your approach to showing bluffs to the fish? What about strong hands when they fold? I often tend to show my bluffs to a fish which I think might be prone to tilting and willing to play back in a bluffy way. Do you take any other factors into consideration?

T4o - iso raise - could you explain why you do this

I kinda auto raised just because he limped, as most limpers play fit/fold to cbets. Immediately after the raise I mention this spot probably not being so good because of him possibly being tight/passive instead of loose-passive, and thus possibly not folding much to cbets as a result.

So you consider 3-betting QJo...Dont see any value, hands that you dominate are going to fold (most of them at least) and he's gonna call with AQ, KQ... Im saying I think there's no need to have QJ in the 3b range, or what do u think?

But I do immediately profit from the folds I get. Also, playing QJo sure sounds good because he has hands that I dominate in his range etc, but in practice you get yourself in a lot of bad spots postflop. The larger your postflop edge is over him the more inclined you should be to call. The smaller your edge the more inclined you should be to 3b. Against a good MSNL reg I'd probably 3b the majority of the time.

Time Link to 00:56:38

Last hand. On which cards would you barrel third barrel?

Last hand. On which cards would you barrel third barrel?

Probably 100% of rivers, he c/c'd flop really fast, so he's very unlikely to be slowplaying as he'd have taken some time to consider whether he should slowplay or fastplay on the wet board.

Time Link to 00:41:53

consider 3beting K3s table 2?

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u get in 55 vs shorter?

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He seems to be a reg and you noted that he folded to the 3 dollar bet. Do you think he is more likely to call the next time you do it? I guess some regs are and some are not. How do we identify which one that will "adjust"?

consider 3beting K3s table 2?

Yeah, but he's quite splashy. You can take money from straight forward players. You can receive money from splashy players. K3s is a taking hand, not a receiving one.

He seems to be a reg and you noted that he folded to the 3 dollar bet. Do you think he is more likely to call the next time you do it? I guess some regs are and some are not. How do we identify which one that will "adjust"?

Gut feeling. As rule of thumb assume that if they did it once, they'll do it again.

u get in 55 vs shorter?

Sorry I have no idea what you're talking about. Please timestamp more accurate and/or mention the table and my holding.

Sorry I have no idea what you're talking about. Please timestamp more accurate and/or mention the table and my holding.

I couldn't find it but I believe you 3bet 55 in one of the blinds v a ~25bb short stack open

EDIT: Just before his timestamp: 0:52:42

I couldn't find it but I believe you 3bet 55 in one of the blinds v a ~25bb short stack open

EDIT: Just before his timestamp: 0:52:42

Ah.

u get in 55 vs shorter?

As in jamming pre instead of 3betting small? I'm getting it in here vs villain if he shoves if that's what you mean. If they're <20bbs I'll just push/fold or flat pre.

You can take money from straight forward players. You can receive money from splashy players

Fantastic quote.

His player type is more common on iPoker.

Could you briefly explain what the big differences are between players on iPoker as compared to the american sites?

Fantastic quote.

+1

Could you briefly explain what the big differences are between players on iPoker as compared to the american sites?

The average player is a bit more paranoid and/or has a larger ego.

Time Link to 00:11:31

Hi GC...

table 3 with KJ, dont you think vilain can have a lot of Ax, that he limp calls and vbet or block bet this river?

I think i would fold this hand on river, would like to understand why should i call...

tks

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table with A9 on 3bet pot, would you call when vilain c/R the river for 35?

Hi GC...

table 3 with KJ, dont you think vilain can have a lot of Ax, that he limp calls and vbet or block bet this river?

I think i would fold this hand on river, would like to understand why should i call...

tks

I get good pot-odds and calling has a pretty good chance of giving a valuable read.

table with A9 on 3bet pot, would you call when vilain c/R the river for 35?

Snap. It's extremely unlikely that I'm beat when he checks river. Hands strong enough to c/r river will very likely bet larger on the turn or check turn. Hands like AQ just double barrel, probably another underbet for the same reasons he thought it was good on the turn. When he bets so small on the turn he usually has SD value so he doesn't have to bluff river, so I'm not sure exactly what I beat when he checkraises, but I'll leave that up to him.

very good thoughts and explanation as per usual from you, thank you for the series so far

thx for the video GC - good job as always!


around min 17. You raise T7s on 79Ttt OTB. Reg in CO calls. turn is the 8 which completes the flush.

I really dislike your turn bet. This card hit your range so hard, its almost impossible for you to not have a set,straight or flush. How can you bet there - hoping he'll come over the top with an overpair? IMO this is a very clear check behind - decide (probably fold) river.

Time Link to 00:31:18

Why are you betting the turn that big with 97s if he is, like u say, not folding an ace? So you are planning to barrel the river him off an ace? Do you think this is profitable vs an unknown?

great video, also thanks for your contribute on improving my redline tremendously

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I think that betting in this spot is thought provoking and good for the reasons you stated but I don't think he'd check shove aa or kk. I think if he shoves we're behind most of the time and when we're not he has pretty good equity with aa or kk qq with a diamond (even for a split). I mean I know the reason you're saying we should bet is b/c he likely wont ship a value hand that we beat that would rather/should call so we should bet. Thus we should then call if he's not shipping the btm end of his premium value range.

I know it's hard to make a flush but I think the pockets make up a smaller portion of his co open+cb+call rr range than a flush or combo draw. Which fds can we try to discount here when he bet/calls instead of getting it in on the flop? maybe he's not the type to open suited conns or gappers with a 40bb short stacker in the bb?

thx for the video GC - good job as always!


around min 17. You raise T7s on 79Ttt OTB. Reg in CO calls. turn is the 8 which completes the flush.

I really dislike your turn bet. This card hit your range so hard, its almost impossible for you to not have a set,straight or flush. How can you bet there - hoping he'll come over the top with an overpair? IMO this is a very clear check behind - decide (probably fold) river.

I talk about this at the end of the video. Maybe I should fold to a c/r and bet/call would be a mistake, but I'll rarely get c/r'd here.

Why are you betting the turn that big with 97s if he is, like u say, not folding an ace? So you are planning to barrel the river him off an ace? Do you think this is profitable vs an unknown?

I think you're mixing up hands. I had a 55 hand on 234A, where I'm betting large for value. I also played 97s at the same time where I bet ~half pot on Axxx with a FD when the pfr cbets and checks turn.

I think that betting in this spot is thought provoking and good for the reasons you stated but I don't think he'd check shove aa or kk. I think if he shoves we're behind most of the time and when we're not he has pretty good equity with aa or kk qq with a diamond (even for a split). I mean I know the reason you're saying we should bet is b/c he likely wont ship a value hand that we beat that would rather/should call so we should bet. Thus we should then call if he's not shipping the btm end of his premium value range.

I know it's hard to make a flush but I think the pockets make up a smaller portion of his co open+cb+call rr range than a flush or combo draw. Which fds can we try to discount here when he bet/calls instead of getting it in on the flop? maybe he's not the type to open suited conns or gappers with a 40bb short stacker in the bb?

Yeah maybe calling off a shove is a mistake. Still, I'll rarely get shoved on there, so even if I'd make the incorrect play vs the shove, the EV of the bet/call line is probably still better than for checking. I think I talk about his FD range at the end of the video. Correct me if I'm wrong, then I'll comment on it here.

Yeah maybe calling off a shove is a mistake. Still, I'll rarely get shoved on there, so even if I'd make the incorrect play vs the shove, the EV of the bet/call line is probably still better than for checking. I think I talk about his FD range at the end of the video. Correct me if I'm wrong, then I'll comment on it here.

Yeah I posted this before I saw the very end, it was well explained. I liked the bet I just thought calling the shove would be a mistake. Great series so far, looking forward to the last two. I particularly enjoy the hand reviews in the beginning and at the end.

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Why not check back flop with the openended?

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http://deep-stack-poker.blogspot.com/2011/02/you-should-optimize-your-play-for.html

Why not check back flop with the openended?

Assuming you mean the QJ hand... Yeah checking back is good too. I mostly want him to fold his ace highs when I bet there, which are a huge part of fishes preflop ranges. If the board (and my draw) was lower betting is better as there are more overcards you can barrel if you bet. If he's deeper you should also bet as you want to build the pot in case you hit. Larger potsizes amplify mistakes, so if it's close, usually go for the bet to get more value out of your edge.

Time Link to 00:41:09

Is your standard play to 3bet baby pairs BB vs SB, or you did it for some reason in particular? ty

Is your standard play to 3bet baby pairs BB vs SB, or you did it for some reason in particular? ty

Yes it's my default play. You rarely flop a set and they're very weak low equity bluff catchers when you miss. Most people don't get stacks in super light without history so the value of a set also ain't that good. I rather play back at them a couple of times before I start flatting small pairs. They can also 5b shove, which is good because I'm 3betting light so I get 4b bluffed at a decent frequency.

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Whats the reason for raising 33 on table 2? Why do i find just checking it much better vs UTG shortstack limping?

Whats the reason for raising 33 on table 2? Why do i find just checking it much better vs UTG shortstack limping?

The SB limper is a reg. He'd have raised if he had something decent so I get him to fold often. The fish might also fold to the raise, while the hands that he folds are actually flipping against me, which is a big immediate equity gain. I also get the initiative that I can use to win the dead money I create by raising postflop.

Time Link to 00:45:18

Great video Grindcore I love all of them.

A couple of questions:
Which part of your calling range do you fold on this flop?
Why not raise the CB instead of calling without reads on his turn tendencies?
What do you do if he barrels this turn?

Thank you!

Time Link to 00:50:23

Would you usually make you raises smaller when stealing vs. people with polarized CBetting ranges, and a bit bigger vs. people with more depolarized ranges? Since there is more value in bloating the pot and taking it down later?

Basically I would like to know your adjustment once you figure out how he constructs his CB range?

Would you usually make you raises smaller when stealing vs. people with polarized CBetting ranges, and a bit bigger vs. people with more depolarized ranges? Since there is more value in bloating the pot and taking it down later?

Basically I would like to know your adjustment once you figure out how he constructs his CB range?

If he's polarized, floating becomes a better option, as he'll have less hands that c/c the turn. If he's depolarized, raising becomes a better option to punish him for cbetting with medium hands. You can't cbet 100%, that's easily exploited. So you have to check at some frequency. If the EV of cbetting with mid strenght hands is comperable to checking, you should check them for balance, so your air checks aren't as exploitable. If he cbets depolarized I can win the pot more often when he doesn't cbet, and also punish him for cbetting 2nd pair by raising (either as a bluff or wider for value depending on how I think he'll respond). And it also depends on the board texture, my image, my perceived preflop range, etc.

Great video Grindcore I love all of them.

A couple of questions:
Which part of your calling range do you fold on this flop?
Why not raise the CB instead of calling without reads on his turn tendencies?
What do you do if he barrels this turn?

Thank you!

I'll probably raise if he barrels this turn as there's a good chance he's fireing at it with air, and I look quite strong. Raising flop is also an option, but by calling I get better reads. Like here, he c/f'd a scarecard. That's good to know, as I can give him credit when he barrels next time. If I raise flop and fold out his air I wouldn't have known.

hey grindcore

the last hand T7hh

you call a shove if he shoves on the flop?
I gave villain this range 3betting the flop/getting it in: {TT-99,77,AdKd,AdQd,AdJd,KdQd,KdJd,QdJd,T9s,9d8d}
against this batch we got only 33%
though we have to pay 150$ in 250$, though we need 37,5 %

what does x/x mean?

is there a big difference between ftp100nl6m and ftp200nl6m?

hey grindcore

the last hand T7hh

you call a shove if he shoves on the flop?
I gave villain this range 3betting the flop/getting it in: {TT-99,77,AdKd,AdQd,AdJd,KdQd,KdJd,QdJd,T9s,9d8d}
against this batch we got only 33%
though we have to pay 150$ in 250$, though we need 37,5 %

what does x/x mean?

is there a big difference between ftp100nl6m and ftp200nl6m?

Yeah I'd call, because as you see against a range that strong I'm already almost there. He can be shoving all NFDs, he might have 97s or J9dd too, and maybe he shoves overpairs etc. For example, including AA, J9dd 97s and all NFDs:

Board: Td 7d 9s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.659% 50.57% 01.09% 13518 290.50 { Th7h }
Hand 1: 48.341% 47.25% 01.09% 12631 290.50 { AA, TT-99, 77, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d, KdQd, KdJd, QdJd, Jd9d, 9d8d, 97s }

That range might be a bit optimistic, but in practice I think we're probably priced in when he shoves.

x = check, c = call. This is a much clearer way to write it down and should be the standard (imo) just like winrates should be in bb/100 as standard and not ptbb/100 or BB/100 as it just creates a lot of confusion. If you use c for both call and check, you'll write down check check as c/c, which is generally used for check/call. HEM uses the x for check too.

The jump from NL100 to NL200 was the biggest jump I've made skillwise up till that point when I was moving up. NL100 plays a lot more like microstakes, even though it's called small stakes. NL200 is kind of the real small stakes, as I feel it actually plays different and requires more thinking. All big sites play roughly the same in terms of skill level.

awesome vid like always, when i grow up i wanna be like you

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you check back A9o, table 2 on flop, because you want him to bluf. I also take this line always. Let's say you have J8dd, it's the weakest Jx suited that you don't want to flat preflop, but still good potential in 3bet spots. this flop will also come. You check behind, to give him oppertunity to bluf. The turn is 5c, he bets, you call, that's the plan. now the river comes an other blank lets say a 7 non heart. He bets again at least half pot. When somebody bets 50%,60%,70% or 100%. I don't really think it matters, because they can bluf more or less depending on betsize and he will have more/less blufs and its expensiver/cheaper. without any tell I cant really get much information out of that. So you will always call this river? Because you check back the flop to induce bluffs on later streets and you dont have much information.

This kind of spots are even tougher if you was SB with J9dd same board as I just descriped. Now you have 3 streets with this problem instead of 2. You cant really valuebet flop, but when you check call. On turn you don't have really good idea, so c/f here is a good plan I suppose? But when you get information from the player and he from you, he can start betting two times with air, because he know you will c/f turn. Because you will bet your strong hands/air always by yourself. So you will start checking AA some times on the flop, and look what he will do to get information? If he will bet two times with air, now you can c/c flop, c/c turn, donkbet river with a bluf? c/c c/c c/r with a made hand? And 3barrel bluf al your air. But you don't get a lot of times in this kind of spots. So I think I will maybe level myself in this spots in bad things dunno.

The main point is that I never know what the best thing to do is, because you need a lot of 3bet spots to get good information. So I think checking your nuts hands sometimes is very useful to get informaton and to make your future plays a lot better against regs?

you check back A9o, table 2 on flop, because you want him to bluf. I also take this line always. Let's say you have J8dd, it's the weakest Jx suited that you don't want to flat preflop, but still good potential in 3bet spots. this flop will also come. You check behind, to give him oppertunity to bluf. The turn is 5c, he bets, you call, that's the plan. now the river comes an other blank lets say a 7 non heart. He bets again at least half pot. When somebody bets 50%,60%,70% or 100%. I don't really think it matters, because they can bluf more or less depending on betsize and he will have more/less blufs and its expensiver/cheaper. without any tell I cant really get much information out of that. So you will always call this river? Because you check back the flop to induce bluffs on later streets and you dont have much information.

This kind of spots are even tougher if you was SB with J9dd same board as I just descriped. Now you have 3 streets with this problem instead of 2. You cant really valuebet flop, but when you check call. On turn you don't have really good idea, so c/f here is a good plan I suppose? But when you get information from the player and he from you, he can start betting two times with air, because he know you will c/f turn. Because you will bet your strong hands/air always by yourself. So you will start checking AA some times on the flop, and look what he will do to get information? If he will bet two times with air, now you can c/c flop, c/c turn, donkbet river with a bluf? c/c c/c c/r with a made hand? And 3barrel bluf al your air. But you don't get a lot of times in this kind of spots. So I think I will maybe level myself in this spots in bad things dunno.

The main point is that I never know what the best thing to do is, because you need a lot of 3bet spots to get good information. So I think checking your nuts hands sometimes is very useful to get informaton and to make your future plays a lot better against regs?

J8s ain't a good 3betting hand there. I 3b the ace as it has blocker value. J8s has no blocker value and faces similar domination issues while hardly flopping better from being semi-connected and suited. 56s or so is a much better hand to 3b than J8s imo. Just because it's the top of your folding range in terms of flatting, doesn't mean it's therefore the best hand to 3b bluff from your folding range as 3b and flatting values of hands aren't equal.

Postflop there's also a big difference between Ax and Jx on AJx, as Ax again has the card removal effect where you block villains better aces, which isn't the case for Jx. Wether you should call multiple streets or not really depends on your opponent.