Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by Joe Tall (Micro/Small Stakes)

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http://www.surveymonkey.com/sr.aspx?sm=Pz2p2DEo9IokJLwo9GH9fjwctIzRkOfP8yOSemzJ74M_3d

I'll get the score sheet up in a bit.

33 Hand - monotone Flop:
I don't like the check/raise, because I don't see Villain betting often enough. With One-Card-Flushdraws, he will mostly take a freecard and will not bet the flop himself.
Second, we have to protect against a 4. club on the Turn and we have to bet for Value against a FD.
sorry for my poor english

Adios WWJTD. Its been real.

Adios WWJTD. Its been real.

Huh?

I'm a little unsure about how we can 3bet KT for value in Q.23 vs the 40/9 villian who is probably not positionally aware ie his 9% raise is fairly static regardless of position. If I 3bet here, in my mind it would be as a bluff (a bad one probably) to collect dead money and take it down postflop when he misses.

I mean there are barely any hands in his opening range that we're ahead of never mind hands he can call a 3bet with that we dominate. I doubt hes open raising QT,JT,K9,A5 etc and probably not even small-mid pairs.

stoked to watch this one!

I'm a little unsure about how we can 3bet KT for value in Q.23 vs the 40/9 villian who is probably not positionally aware ie his 9% raise is fairly static regardless of position. If I 3bet here, in my mind it would be as a bluff (a bad one probably) to collect dead money and take it down postflop when he misses.

I mean there are barely any hands in his opening range that we're ahead of never mind hands he can call a 3bet with that we dominate. I doubt hes open raising QT,JT,K9,A5 etc and probably not even small-mid pairs.

This is where that 9% PFR is misleading.

1. We have a small sample size.
2. It's the overall PFR number.
3. The button raise will be much higher.
4. The steal % number can be thrown out, as the sample size is too small.

Therefore, the range is just wide enough that we should 3-bet KTo.

On the hand where you have A8cc, don't you think his hand looks a lot like K9, 910, A9 ? The bet on the flop looks like I've got something good but I dont really like this board? Then he bets a little less on the turn because he's scared of the queen but doesn't want to give up ? I think I would have played it the same.
Once we compare it to the next hand where he bets weakly what is most likely some 8 or 7 or naked 6 or J.

Here is the scoring. Total of 30.

High % answers (standard hands) where thrown out to make the total score 30pts. http://www.surveymonkey.com/sr.aspx?sm=Pz2p2DEo9IokJLwo9GH9fjwctIzRkOfP8yOSemzJ74M_3d

2. Call 1pt
3. Bet 2pt
4. Bet 2pt
5. Raise Out
6. Call 1pt
7. C/R 1pt
8. Bet 1pt
9. Out
10. Out
11. Out
12. Out
13. Bet 5/Bet2 2pt/1pt
14. Out
15. Raise 2pt
16. Out
17. Out
18. Raise 2pt
19. Out
20. Out
21. Raise $3 2pt
22. Out
23. Raise 2pt
24. C/R 1pt
25. C/R 1pt
26. Folds 1pt
27. Ship + Call both 1pt
28. Raise Out
29. Out
30. Out
31. Out
32. Out
33. Call 1pt
34. Call 1pt
35. Call 1pt
36. Out
37. Call 2pt
38. Raise-4.5 1pt
39. Bet-2.5 2pt
40. Out

Man, I have to disagree with Baluga on that A8 hand, I think the turn is a fold from my somewhat limited experience @25NL. We are just crushed by his value range and I realize that sometimes we are up against bluffs but I still think its a dump.

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1.25 is more than enough to get him to fold air.

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The 33 hand where we limp first and then call the BB raise.
I really don't think we can call after the BB raises because of 2 reasons. We are out of position and its Heads-up.
In a multiway pot it would be ok to call, the chances are higher we can stack someone if we flop a set.
And if its heads-up, we should at least have position so we can attack good boards and extract the most if we hit a set.

As played: 80% of the time we will flop absolut nothing, see just random overcards on the flop and the aggressive villain is going to contibet always. We have to check/fold or playing the guessing game and attack the pot when we think he didn't have something. The biggest problem is that we are out of position....
And if we really hit a set once in a while, I doubt we stack BB as often as we should or think we can. Most of the time he doesn't flop a good hand at all (as Joe Tall always says in his videos: It's no limit hold'em, nobody ever has anything). Plus, its hard to extract the maximum out of position.

So I'm really confident we should fold preflop.
Of course we will never be again in this situation because next time we raise and don't limp

33 Hand - monotone Flop:
I don't like the check/raise, because I don't see Villain betting often enough. With One-Card-Flushdraws, he will mostly take a freecard and will not bet the flop himself.
Second, we have to protect against a 4. club on the Turn and we have to bet for Value against a FD.
sorry for my poor english

And I also agree with this!
BalugaWhale says villain contibets 100% of the time and I really can't see that.

I think the reason is not the fact that he could have A9 or A8,
its more a matter of equity.

If he donk bets that is pretty much a sign of a aggro bad player.
A bad aggro player will also have a lot of air in his range here, and also a lot of high cards.
Bad aggro players like to push people of while making lines that doesn't make sense

And the 33 hand is an easy call once we limped. If you think a player will stack off with an overpair you can call no matter if you are OOP

I dont know if i am wrong here, but I rather be HU with a small pocket pair then multi-way because there is more change that somebody has a higher set?

+ Joe Tall made a pretty big mistake by limping in. It was more an "as played" situation

Maybe I am wrong, but always good to have a discussion haha

And the 33 hand is an easy call once we limped. If you think a player will stack off with an overpair you can call no matter if you are OOP

But how often does he really have an overpair when we hit our set?
He's aggro, he has a lot of junk and we win something like 20BB with our set.

Maybe, but to win 25$ with a .75c call, I think it's just a pretty easy spot

Even if you miss 10 times, thats: -10$,
hit once and stack off: +25$

and then I don't even mention the times you get a call for 2 streets where you win more then 20 bb

With the 33, we're rarely going to get all $25, or we'll get it in with 65% equity like we did here, in which case we're not winning all $25 really, but we'll win a Cbet pretty much always, a turn bet maybe half the time, and stack him sometimes. That's enough

TBH, I doubt we're making a huge amount of money playing 33 OOP to a raise, but it's much closer to a clear call than a clear fold.

(When I play small PPs oop to a raise, I am usually looking to do more than just setmine, FWIW, unless villain is super tight/obvious).

(and obviously if we raised rather than limped then we're in a much much better spot)

I really found the KT hand (55mins) interesting.

Usually I would do exactly what 'Whale says not to - call the flop and fold to a turn bet, on the grounds that Villain is quite likely to bluff his air on the flop but not follow through with a big turn bluff, so it was surprising for me to see a recommendation of fold flop or call down. I guess you can't argue with results though (sample size 1).

Huh?

Translation: 'Goodbye 'What would Joe Tall do' its been a great series and I have learnt shit loads from it. (roughly- give or take a few words )

Edit- this was a reply to what: 'Adios WWJTD, its been real' meant....

A8, 986r, he donks pot.
baluga says donk bet means nothing, means hes bluffing.

i agree if he minbets or bets really small or, as a 50/20, he donks bet pot.

i found out that many beginers, online and live, doesnt have this "i have to check and see what the preflop raiser bets thing" ... no.. they hit top pair and they donk bet pot, bet turn and maybe check some rivers...

and in this case the guy was a 30/10 which i find not so aggresive at all pre, so when he bets 2 streets i start to belive him

Where i can find the quiz of next week?

Where i can find the quiz of next week?

This is the last quiz in the series.

Quiz 8 is open for entertainment purposes:
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=KCrzfcbtod8JobSiOn3jMA_3d_3d

On the 33 hand you fade the flush but it isnt a 2 outer on the turn, its a 4 outer.....DUCY?

Don't we have a double gutter in the KJ hand on the 9T7 flop?

Don't we have a double gutter in the KJ hand on the 9T7 flop?

Could you leave a time-stamp? Better yet, watch this: http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/866-Using-the-Flash-Video-Player and leave a time link, much easier for me to find the hand and answer your questions, thanks.

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This is the hand I was referring to.

This is the hand I was referring to.

Yes we do have a double gutter and it's obv that Andrew and I missed it.

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Is it bad to ck raise here with the intention to have some fold equity against his range and capatalize on the dead money? And even if he does call we still have outs against his top pair made hands. So why is it better to call than to raise and expect to take down the pot a lot of the time on the turn.

Is it bad to ck raise here with the intention to have some fold equity against his range and capatalize on the dead money? And even if he does call we still have outs against his top pair made hands. So why is it better to call than to raise and expect to take down the pot a lot of the time on the turn.

The board is really dry, so the turn-better will be quite polarized into having air or strong hand. If he has a strong hand and we make out hand (since we are calling with correct odds), we will stack him on the river. If he has a hand like AJ, and whiffs the river, he'll check and we can bluff him off the pot there.