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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by Joe Tall (Micro/Small Stakes)

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2. bet $2ish 1
3. bet $6 2pts, bluff some rivers....A/K would be decent cards...3 barreling brick can be good here too - THROWN OUT
4. put him all in 1
5. don't fold , don't limp 1
6. check 1pts, bet 1,(assuming check)bet turn if checked too, call if he bets 1
7. check 1pts, bet 5 1 pt with intention of showing down unimproved if you bet....snapcalling river if you check, maybe value bet 1
8. Raise to $10/$12 2pts
9. 4bet to 15 1pt(obv call shove), flat call 1pt ( get allin on good flops) 1
10. call 2pts, fold 1pt, 3bet 1pt....3betting ok to isolate 37/7, folding not unreasonable given MP open and we're oop 2
11. Bet 10 with intention of betting turn alot - THROWN OUT
12. raise to 2.5ish 1
13. c/f 1
14. call 1pts, raise 1pt, if raise should bluff some rivers 1
15. raise to 8ish 2
16. 2.50 por favor, 1pt 1
17. 3.5ish 1pt 1
18. 2.5 or 1.5 1
19. raises to 2.5, 1
20. Bet $2 1
21. folds pot odds imo 2
22, get all in if he wants 1
23. call 2pts, a touch risky to 3bet without better reads 2
24. close spot, wish MP was deeper. 2pts for folding 1pt calling 2
25. check 1
26. make it $2 1
27. 6-7, value/protection, checking sucks 1

A9 hand

Do you think the tilted lag is call/folding a $4 bet (flop $8.75 and he has $2.55 left)?

What is the plan if one of the blinds shoves and the lag calls?

Results: http://www.surveymonkey.com/sr.aspx?sm=n9Qj38bk6spTpd4VLaxKqy1esb9frVKuypjmg85uUd4_3d

I'm off to Vegas for the weekend. I will have the Quiz scored and back up early next week. Right now I have to keep it locked, sorry.

7. check 1pts, bet 5 1 pt with intention of showing down unimproved if you bet....snapcalling river if you check, maybe value bet 1

There were couple of check options right? Which ones got points?

15. raise to 8ish 2

37:22. No points for shipping it in? jk3a said in the video it's real close. I personally think short stacks like that pretty much always call their stack off with any pair in spot like this, there is so much money on the table compared to their stack they just say fuck it and call. So his calling range probably doesn't change too much if we ship and we get more value.

8. Raise to $10/$12 2pts

17:28. This was kind of awkward. I would bet like $14-15. The bet $10 option seems to miss value, don't see him folding more if you bet little more. I like $18 more than $10 since it gets more value, there is very slight change that leaving so little to his stack might induce a shove from weird hand, but against this opponent it seems very unlikely. So I don't see anything wrong with bet $18 and fold to a shove, even if the odds are great.

A9 hand

Do you think the tilted lag is call/folding a $4 bet (flop $8.75 and he has $2.55 left)?

What is the plan if one of the blinds shoves and the lag calls?

this. why not make a normal raise which will have the exact same result and also save us $ if someone behind us wakes up with a hand?

this. why not make a normal raise which will have the exact same result and also save us $ if someone behind us wakes up with a hand?

it doesn't cost much more to make a bit bigger raise and it increases our chance of getting it hu.

sweet jk3a.. anxious to watch this one.

hand 17: K9 on 243r flop: i still don't see why we should cbet the flop? The only better hands which would fold to a cbet are KQ-KT.
Should we cbet just to take it down on the flop (don't let him draw to 6 outs?) and avoid getting bluffed on later streets?
What if he c/r semi-bluffs with a hand like 76, then we must fold the better hand?

As Medar for hand 15.

I to think that it is MUCH better to ship it in or raise some amount that covers him (maybe less scary)....very likely more +EV! I really think you should give some points to us who chose to ship it in...I mean, it can NEVER be wrong and likely more +EV!

For hand 17
If we cbet, no hand that we're already beating is going to fold, except perhaps KQ-KT, so if we cbet I think it should be for barreling later but we're not very interested in barreling a donk, right?
And is it really good enough to value bet?

37:22. No points for shipping it in? jk3a said in the video it's real close. I personally think short stacks like that pretty much always call their stack off with any pair in spot like this, there is so much money on the table compared to their stack they just say fuck it and call. So his calling range probably doesn't change too much if we ship and we get more value.

I agree. Why leave $4 behind, thats a cup of coffee as Joe likes to say.

17:28. This was kind of awkward. I would bet like $14-15. The bet $10 option seems to miss value, don't see him folding more if you bet little more. I like $18 more than $10 since it gets more value, there is very slight change that leaving so little to his stack might induce a shove from weird hand, but against this opponent it seems very unlikely. So I don't see anything wrong with bet $18 and fold to a shove, even if the odds are great.

Agree here as well, I mean if we're going to raise for value lets get some value.

On the QQ hand where we're in the CO and BTN 3bets us. His range should in theory be widest in this spot(maybe BvB might be wider) so very few of his hands are going to be able to continue. I think TAGs at the micros in general have very narrow/non-existant 4bet calling ranges and very tight 5betting ranges(QQ+/AK occasionally JJ), you'll never see a hand like AJ or TT if we 4bet. The only downside is that we're OOP but I think that is compensated for by our hand strength. I would want a read that this guy is going to continue with worse hands before I 4bet.

As Medar for hand 15.

I to think that it is MUCH better to ship it in or raise some amount that covers him (maybe less scary)....very likely more +EV! I really think you should give some points to us who chose to ship it in...I mean, it can NEVER be wrong and likely more +EV!

For hand 17
If we cbet, no hand that we're already beating is going to fold, except perhaps KQ-KT, so if we cbet I think it should be for barreling later but we're not very interested in barreling a donk, right?
And is it really good enough to value bet?

Like I said, shipping is not unreasonable. I would have no problems if Joe wanted to give a point for that.

The K9 hand, you guys saw that he limp/called T8o and you're trying to argue that cbetting is not profitable?

The K9 hand, you guys saw that he limp/called T8o and you're trying to argue that cbetting is not profitable?

I don't think cbet flop ist not profitable. I just think check behind is more profitable than betting.

I don't think cbet flop ist not profitable. I just think check behind is more profitable than betting.

With all due respect, how exactly is that possible?

I admit that I first saw the result of the hand after posting the question...was a bit quick there. The call w/T8o is kind of hard to argue against
Great with hand 15...kind of crazy not to give credit here

BTW...great series Joe Tall and great review jk3a!

Another 5 star vid great stuff and very helpful jk3a is very good at explaining the whys and why nots about the hands. Wish we had one of these everyday.

it doesn't cost much more to make a bit bigger raise and it increases our chance of getting it hu.

We have like 55-60% equity against the tilters range. About $2 profit if we get it hu vs him.

I don't remember if the quiz had reads on the blinds, but odd stacks are usually not good players. I wouldn't mind playing a (side)pot with A9s in position.

Hand #19 : KJo in SB vs a limper & a poster...

Doesn't a $2.5 raise make it a little bit awkward on the flop because of the limper stack size ?

If he calls, there will be $6 in the pot & he will have $8 in his stack. We're pretty much committed to any c-bet we make on the flop.

Isn't a complete or a bigger raise (with the intention of shoving any flop if the limper is the only caller) a better play in that particular spot ?

question4- the reason to raise to $4 as opposed to putting him allin would be so that if someone behind actually has a hand then we lose less when they 3bet. When you raise to 4 he's almost always shoving or folding and it's not like we're not getting it in on any flop if he does just call.

The episode should be called "How Would JT value own himself?" lol Thanks for sharing some fun spots JT!

I don't think cbet flop ist not profitable. I just think check behind is more profitable than betting.

>> With all due respect, how exactly is that possible?

Maybe my thought process is wrong, but if we bet $3.25 to win $5.25 we need
him to fold more than 38%. I assume he has enough air in his range to make the cbet EV+.
On the other hand if we check behind on the flop we win the $5.25 against
his air hands anyway if he doesn't hit one of his 6 outs.
Or we can catch small bluffs on the turn/river like Joe Tall did and get $4 more in with the better hand.
So i think it's close between cbet or c/b.

Just my two cents.

good episode, I assumed this was all the execs so a cool surprise to see jk3a.

I liked the concept on bluff catching rivers. We always hear that bluff catching is not going to make us any money at these stakes which obviously isn't entirely true (like most blanket statements) I see the c/c flop and lead river when turn checks through line all the time.

One thing I wasn't sure about was calling with AJo in the small blind. This hand seems really hard to play oop in a multi-way pot and I tend to think a squeeze here is better. Against certain opponents I'd almost prefer folding to calling.

Anyway, I'm off to go and double barrel every 3bet pot I end up in. If I don't report back it is because I am busto with no computer.

i agree w/ newdevil

The K9 hand, you guys saw that he limp/called T8o and you're trying to argue that cbetting is not profitable?

you do realise we beat T8o?
if we bet he calls w/ all pairs and A/high and folds every hand we beat anyway, so from that perspective a check-behind has a higher ev than a cbet (obv a cbet is still +ev, nobody was arguing it wasn't)

so the only viable argument for cbetting is to make him fold his 6 outers, which actually might tip the scales in favor of cbetting but you didnt even bring this one up when you said cbetting is better

i agree w/ newdevil



you do realise we beat T8o?
if we bet he calls w/ all pairs and A/high and folds every hand we beat anyway, so from that perspective a check-behind has a higher ev than a cbet (obv a cbet is still +ev, nobody was arguing it wasn't)

so the only viable argument for cbetting is to make him fold his 6 outers, which actually might tip the scales in favor of cbetting but you didnt even bring this one up when you said cbetting is better

Thank you for pointing out that we're ahead of Ten high. Sorry you didn't like my answer. Betting the flop is profitable as a stand alone bet. The EV calc involved in showing that checking is more profitable is quite complicated and beyond the scope of this venue. Betting to protect our hand from 6 outers and semibluff against the part of his range that calls is more than enough reason to bet.

Yeah that K9 hand was a little confusing for me. On one hand, as has been mentioned, we are never getting called by worse/folding out better. (edit: I suppose 5x hands will call) However I think there is much more to consider here. As mentioned in the video, we are doing this to protect our hand, and even if we get called, we still have the outs to the K or 9.

My question to jk3a is...if we do get called here, are there any cards that we are planning to barrel? I don't think an ace is great, king is a no brainer...is a Q/J/T scary enough for him to fold anything? (Including his Ax?)

Maybe my thought process is wrong, but if we bet $3.25 to win $5.25 we need
him to fold more than 38%. I assume he has enough air in his range to make the cbet EV+.
On the other hand if we check behind on the flop we win the $5.25 against
his air hands anyway if he doesn't hit one of his 6 outs.
Or we can catch small bluffs on the turn/river like Joe Tall did and get $4 more in with the better hand.

Dear sir, you do realize that to win $5.25 UI first we need to get to showdown and avoid a bluff/semibluff turn bet from him? And showdown is two freakin' cards away!!!

59:20 Not sure if I misunderstood, but what did you mean Joe when you said "get AJ/AT/QJs out of there behind you"?

Aren't these exactly the hands that ARE going to call behind us?

For the last hand with 55 on 322 flop, don't we think that between three of these guys, usually at least one is going to hold a PP(44 being the only one which we beat)? I know the result goes against what I'm saying, but I see this multi-way pot constantly at 25/50NL and with 4 guys in there, it is extremely rare that none of them have a PP.

I mean sure it is the best flop we can hope for aside from a 5, but 4 ways is it really that great of a flop? I actually thought this was a pretty easy C/F, as I'm also not very comfortable running a double barrel in a 4way pot. I can't see how betting $8 gets value from anything...at BEST we then have to double barrell against a range which could equally be overcards/pp's(one of which we are just value towning ourselves)...

edit: I guess my question is...how often do we have to get a fold out of all three players to make this a profitable c-bet? I just see other PP's flipped here sooooooooooooo often at these stakes.

Yeah that K9 hand was a little confusing for me. On one hand, as has been mentioned, we are never getting called by worse/folding out better. (edit: I suppose 5x hands will call) However I think there is much more to consider here. As mentioned in the video, we are doing this to protect our hand, and even if we get called, we still have the outs to the K or 9.

My question to jk3a is...if we do get called here, are there any cards that we are planning to barrel? I don't think an ace is great, king is a no brainer...is a Q/J/T scary enough for him to fold anything? (Including his Ax?)

QJT would def be decent cards to barrel.

59:20 Not sure if I misunderstood, but what did you mean Joe when you said "get AJ/AT/QJs out of there behind you"?

Aren't these exactly the hands that ARE going to call behind us?

those hands aren't the best examples of the types of hands that will fold often, but he's just saying that raising is good because we fold out some hands that have decent equity vs 55 and we can get better position or we can take it down pf

For the last hand with 55 on 322 flop, don't we think that between three of these guys, usually at least one is going to hold a PP(44 being the only one which we beat)? I know the result goes against what I'm saying, but I see this multi-way pot constantly at 25/50NL and with 4 guys in there, it is extremely rare that none of them have a PP.

I mean sure it is the best flop we can hope for aside from a 5, but 4 ways is it really that great of a flop? I actually thought this was a pretty easy C/F, as I'm also not very comfortable running a double barrel in a 4way pot. I can't see how betting $8 gets value from anything...at BEST we then have to double barrell against a range which could equally be overcards/pp's(one of which we are just value towning ourselves)...

edit: I guess my question is...how often do we have to get a fold out of all three players to make this a profitable c-bet? I just see other PP's flipped here sooooooooooooo often at these stakes.

cbetting the flop is def good here. It's not as likely as you might think that someone of the 3 holds a greater pair. you're prolly just running bad if you are constantly seeing better pairs here or playing in games with players that are tighter than what I'm seeing in these games.

For the last hand with 55 on 322 flop, don't we think that between three of these guys, usually at least one is going to hold a PP(44 being the only one which we beat)? I know the result goes against what I'm saying, but I see this multi-way pot constantly at 25/50NL and with 4 guys in there, it is extremely rare that none of them have a PP.

I mean sure it is the best flop we can hope for aside from a 5, but 4 ways is it really that great of a flop? I actually thought this was a pretty easy C/F, as I'm also not very comfortable running a double barrel in a 4way pot. I can't see how betting $8 gets value from anything...at BEST we then have to double barrell against a range which could equally be overcards/pp's(one of which we are just value towning ourselves)...

edit: I guess my question is...how often do we have to get a fold out of all three players to make this a profitable c-bet? I just see other PP's flipped here sooooooooooooo often at these stakes.

cbetting the flop is def good here. It's not as likely as you might think that someone of the 3 holds a greater pair. you're prolly just running bad if you are constantly seeing better pairs here or playing in games with players that are tighter than what I'm seeing in these games.

great vid jared and joe.

Dear sir, you do realize that to win $5.25 UI first we need to get to showdown and avoid a bluff/semibluff turn bet from him? And showdown is two freakin' cards away!!!

Yes ("Should we cbet just to take it down on the flop (don't let him draw to 6 outs?) and avoid getting bluffed on later streets? ") :-)

I see that it isn't easy to know when to call a bet on the turn and/or river without knowing his bluff frequency or any betsize tells...

Q 4 (A9s hand) is a total fail. i mean obviously raise to 4 is a lot better play than raise to 6-7 there just because if we get raised by blinds we have to fold and we just put extra money in pot when not needed....

Sorry so late guys, week from hell!


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