Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by Joe Tall (Micro/Small Stakes)

I apologize for the delay in this release. I hope you all enjoy the video.
-Rusty

I know we all appreciate the hard work you guys do. Don't sweat the delay man!

Oh snap, how did I forget to take this quiz for 3 whole weeks.

If only there was more delay...

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I think the AQs guy, by leading every street, he played his draw very good oop vs a thinking player. If we call or raise on turn we are in the top of our range otherwise he makes us fold better most of the time. If we are somehow (lol) calling instead of raising our top range on turn he values river most of the time when he hits.

I don't like the A9s call in the SB
we can't be too happy if the utg raiser gives action on a Axx board
and it's hard to play a flushdraw oop and to extract value with a flush oop

to the question "what are you guys waiting for?" I'd answer "to be in position"

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OK guys, I'll look into it. The .mp4 works fine, plus that's higher quality at a smaller file size, so I highly suggest DLing that instead.

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-Rusty

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I don't like the A9s call in the SB
we can't be too happy if the utg raiser gives action on a Axx board
and it's hard to play a flushdraw oop and to extract value with a flush oop

to the question "what are you guys waiting for?" I'd answer "to be in position"

There are going to be situations where you can get involved properly OOP too. This is one of them. A9s is the 'line' in my range here but ATs and especially AJs are sure to get involved. Now I did say in the video if the CO was the 1st in and the button floated there his no way you should fold such a hand like A9s there. In fact, I like the squeeze for sure in that situation.

Thanks, and yes the .mp4 works fine too.

Great video again.

I thought this was one of the best vids ive seen in a while i noticed some big gaps in my thinking about reasons to continue in the hand, instead of thinking ranges i would think something different i dunno its hard to explain but ill watch this many times. Was suprised that Sthief was in it was sure it would be Tuba you kind of forget the guys that are not making regular videos i say more 'real' poker stuff from Josh not the blackboard type things he does.

My 2c!

I thought this was one of the best vids ive seen in a while i noticed some big gaps in my thinking about reasons to continue in the hand, instead of thinking ranges i would think something different i dunno its hard to explain but ill watch this many times. Was suprised that Sthief was in it was sure it would be Tuba you kind of forget the guys that are not making regular videos i say more 'real' poker stuff from Josh not the blackboard type things he does.

My 2c!

I think so far it's just been the NLHE-playing EPs doing these. there aren't 8 of us so maybe he'll do one after. I'll make my triumphant return to real poker next season.

I don't like the A9s call in the SB
we can't be too happy if the utg raiser gives action on a Axx board
and it's hard to play a flushdraw oop and to extract value with a flush oop

to the question "what are you guys waiting for?" I'd answer "to be in position"

nut flush draws are a lot easier to play out of position than something like a naked flush draw with 76s. you're always going to have good equity, good implied odds and potentially some showdown value. position is great but it's possible to find profitable spots OOP too.

Great vid again!

I will start nicknaming you Joe "as soon as I hit the button I thought why did I do that??" Tall from now on. You say that 3 times every episode at least :-)

Great vid again!

I will start nicknaming you Joe "as soon as I hit the button I thought why did I do that??" Tall from now on. You say that 3 times every episode at least :-)

This is what I call 'learning convergence.'

Real quick:

See, you play a hand, post it or read something and then think, "ah, I get it."
Then you play a hand some later time and a few minutes after the hand you are like, "that seems familiar" so you post it and then you get it.
Then you play a hand and right after the hand you think, "dang it, I knew that, DOH."

Now I'm at the stage of near instant decisions. Where I nearly have the thought process in play before my action. (I pull the trigger on the action before I put the thought in play.)

Once that thought/decision gets before the action it has converged into my game.

This is how I learned all my poker.

This is what I call 'learning convergence.'

Now I'm at the stage of near instant decisions.

what is exactly ur background joe? is this different limit holdem? (cause i never played a single hand on limit)

This is what I call 'learning convergence.'

Real quick:

See, you play a hand, post it or read something and then think, "ah, I get it."
Then you play a hand some later time and a few minutes after the hand you are like, "that seems familiar" so you post it and then you get it.
Then you play a hand and right after the hand you think, "dang it, I knew that, DOH."

Now I'm at the stage of near instant decisions. Where I nearly have the thought process in play before my action. (I pull the trigger on the action before I put the thought in play.)

Once that thought/decision gets before the action it has converged into my game.

This is how I learned all my poker.

Don't you only 1 or 2 table? I don't think that being able to "instantly" know the "correct" decision is even valuable, especially if you make an incorrect decision. Why not take a couple extra seconds to think about the play, even if it's supposedly standard, just to ensure that you're making the correct decision?

#24.. I like betting flop because I don't put a lot of aces in his range after he open-limps the button, and we get value out of worse kings and draws.

#28.. Don't get the explanation. I answered check because we have nearly no FE and are betting our draw (not the 5 for value). Josh seemed to be saying this as well, but still wants to bet?

what is exactly ur background joe? is this different limit holdem? (cause i never played a single hand on limit)

My background is poker.

Its funny how you saying "this might be from playing limit" and such so often that you are beginning to be branded a limit player.

"from donk to stud" is still one of the best series out there for a NL guy who is looking for a bit of "other game" action. I see it is over 12 months old.

If your a micro NL player and do not really fancy the br swings of PLO but want to add something to your game check it out.

My background is poker.

i didnt ment to be rude or anything, im really sry if it appear like that, but i want to assure you that WWJTD is one of the best formats i ever encountered on a training site, good job, keep it up and i hope you'll make a part two of this series!
p.s. i really want to see baluga on an episode, is it possible?
tx.

first hand:

Sthief: if you raise 2.50 he's only gonna call you with slowplayed monsters

Sthief: raising 1.10 is gonna do the same as raising 2.50

EpErOn: then we cbet on a KJ9 board against a slowplayed monster?? the only 'monster' he will fold is QQ

Sthief: i think Q9 can be in his range

EpErOn: ???

in my experience people will check/call a wide range, but not against a big raise. So i still believe raising 2.50 would be better: If called you can play perfectly against his "slowplayed monster".


Im not saying the hand is played bad, just that the reasoning behind it is wrong imo.

first hand:

Sthief: if you raise 2.50 he's only gonna call you with slowplayed monsters

Sthief: raising 1.10 is gonna do the same as raising 2.50

EpErOn: then we cbet on a KJ9 board against a slowplayed monster?? the only 'monster' he will fold is QQ

Sthief: i think Q9 can be in his range

EpErOn: ???

in my experience people will check/call a wide range, but not against a big raise. So i still believe raising 2.50 would be better: If called you can play perfectly against his "slowplayed monster".


Im not saying the hand is played bad, just that the reasoning behind it is wrong imo.

the reasoning is not wrong, if I'm understanding. it's just that villains are obviously not literally calling the same range for 2.50 as they are for 1.10. the idea is that any raise 4bb+ will encourage a lot of folds from these weak ranges. the few extra folds you get from raising to $2.50 just doesn't justify the extra $1.40. if I said what you have my quoted as saying, without clarifying, then I misspoke. but logically it all makes sense under the assumption that they will sometimes make loose calls vs. our $1.10 raise.

the logic you gave for raising to 2.50 also applies raising to $8. if our opponent wants to make a mistake and call the $1.10 raise with 65s or K5o, then we should let him make that mistake. raising big for information and to avoid seeing a flop is +EV but it's sub-optimal and inefficient.

EpErOn: then we cbet on a KJ9 board against a slowplayed monster??

if we raised 10x preflop, I wouldn't advocate betting here. I think Q9 could be in his range because we only raised to $1.10.

Don't you only 1 or 2 table? I don't think that being able to "instantly" know the "correct" decision is even valuable, especially if you make an incorrect decision. Why not take a couple extra seconds to think about the play, even if it's supposedly standard, just to ensure that you're making the correct decision?

This is hard to explain I guess. Yes I only 1 or 2 table. So, its like, "OK bet, $xx here" and then I click it and as SOON as I click it, it triggers the right response as I see the consequence of the action.

'That was a total fail!' made me laugh a lot, unexpectly.

Good video imo.

Great video Joe and Josh, and sorry about the long post, but there was some great information about how to take different lines against different players. These are defintiely some lines that aren't mine and are a great opp to fix some leaks and expand my game. Thanks again.

Q7 hand- Josh mentions that since last hand he peeled really light we can go ahead and put in a little bet here on river. The last hand he folded to our turn bet, but this time he called so wouldn't that lend credence to him having something? It doesn't have to be hearts and can't we get more value from check/calling river? If we check and he has a light peel say a 6, 8 or something and we look weak with our river check doesn't that induce a bluff here too? I'm not sure calling a big bet is warranted here, but that would either be in line with a river bluff or a flush and like you said his range is definitely wider than hearts so we can call pretty big bets here too as a bluff catcher. yes/no?
QQ- wtf? I am pretty lost here. We check behind because we think he has a pocket pair and we only want one bet going in here. Why? player dependent because he is 16/10? Josh I think says that if he fires turn we can get away by the river. Flush aside this is the ultimate dry board. We don't vbet because we think he might not call with worse hands, but we get away if he shows aggression? Let's say he does have pocket tens and we check behind flop. He has to think he can bet a ton of turn and river cards here. He puts us on a range of pps, aj+, kq+ and he knows that we missed that flop alot and then he bets turn and river(in his mind for value) and we can get away? Why would we not bet for value on flop? If we have kq do we bet for value? Is this a classic case of theorem of poker as in all better hands call and all worse hands fold right now? If so, then how do we balance the fundamental flaw of beginning players in not vbetting enough? There is something I am missing here logic wise.
kjs- How can we not raise the turn there? This guy has shown nothing but weakness here, but Josh says that he could have an a here or spades. Why would we not want to take a shot at folding out a weak ace or charging spades. I don't play these wimpy little bets very similar at all. I raise them and pound on them if they want to call. I don't understand the disconnect between a limper getting pounded pf and this wimpy betting just getting called down post flop. We catch value by letting him hang himself $.2 at a time, but let him look at draws cheaply or have basically free showdowns. I like the pot control on the flop, but that was a 1/2 pot bet and has some merit.
KQo- Is this the stategy that I am seeing being advocated here. We raise pf limpers and pound on them for limping and then just give up with a piece on the flop and get to showdown cheaply and let them hang themselves? In the QQ hand that we raised and the tight player called we do kind of the same thing in a raised pot. We have position and a good enough hand, but kind of vulnerable hand so we just let them have the reins? Is this wimpy line balanced by strong cbetting if we miss the flop and if we hit it strong then. Hands that we desperately need fold equity and hands that we want to build a big pot with. These marginal spot we just pot control and try to get to showdown. I cbet alot of hands that I hit on flop after raising pf because I want the pot right there. Bad thinking?
q5o and 75s- These hands that Joe stresses just pound on these guys creates a dilemna for me at times. The good players that will usually fold pf usually don't limp so when we bloat the pot in position we are playing garbage hands against players that will likely not fold any pr that they might hit on the flop about 1/3 of the time. Since they aren't very good they might hold onto their a high until the turn even hoping to hit the ace cause aces are good right? So now we have these hands that we have and I use the last hand 75s as an example if Joe doesn't make a hero shove he loses 14bb in a spot that could easily be fit or fold post flop. If he gets checked to on the river and makes another bet for say 1.8 into a 2.8 pot trying to win it I presume. Are we going to give up in that spot unimproved? In which case he gets called and lose 32bb I'm guessing since the guy did only fold to the river shove. So now we have to make up 32bb and that takes alot of hands stealing $.10 at a time from limpers. Granted this is results oriented as we know how the last hand played out.

To comment on Joe's joke about being a 16/10 too tight player, this last hand is what I'm referring to. I was a losing player playing 22/18 but have now become a winning player at 16/12. These 75s situations were the ones where I had been told to raise raise raise and I did and I would spew spew spew just like that last hand played out whereas I wouldn't make the John Wayne shove to salvage my hand. I would get shown down a loser and poof there goes 3 hrs winrate. Why put ourselves in this position versus players that don't want to fold pf with terrible hands? Even the q5 hand that you make 3 bbs now you need 9 or 10 more of those to get your 75s hand back. I just can't find enough value here to make it profitable for me here, ... yet !

This is what I call 'learning convergence.'

I thought you were joking at first. Definitely +1 to whoever recommended just thinking about your actions first, this speeds up the whole process a lot and you actually come up with stuff yourself too.

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I don't understand why the best move isn't to just raise the flop. When he donks almost a pot size bet into us, he's telling us he has something. Usually that something is medium strength, say a JT, flush draw, pocket tens, etc. If we raise, he is still going to continue with a J and a high flush draw (maybe even any flush draw) but might lay down 88-TT. Still very possible he could call with them though. In general, I would say when someone donks out into you on a T, J, Q, or K xx board, two tone, it is almost standard now to fire a raise. Whether the player in position has a hand or not, that seems to be the standard counterplay against a donk bet since donk bets are so often weak. When we have a hand as good as KK and he donks almost pot, I just think it's a perfect situation to raise. In this particular hand, if you raise his donk bet, he likely shoves given all his outs and you call and end up losing on the river anyway. But at least you would've played it more ideal in my opinion. What do you guys think?