Time Link to 00:03:31
having played a ton of 1/2TD in the past and against some of these players i would flat and draw 3 again here. i agree w/ delcrossb that you arent going to get jammed very often and you are getting a great price.
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Time Link to 00:03:31
having played a ton of 1/2TD in the past and against some of these players i would flat and draw 3 again here. i agree w/ delcrossb that you arent going to get jammed very often and you are getting a great price.
This was easily the most flustered I've ever been playing poker, sorry if I acted strangely during this vid. I had no idea what it was like to be coached (despite having coached plenty of students myself) and was struggling to listen, observe, and play. It was fun though ![]()
fun vid guys. ty
re: 8543x near the end. i would 3bet vs most at 1/2, they just wont put much pressure on you or snow enough so you can play pretty well vs them. they generally call too much otr aswell, so we get value even when we make 87543 straight away. also, its fun to play more pots vs bad players ![]()
Will be checking this one out soon!
Time Link to 00:26:00
I think when the BB reraises our lead and draws 1 after 1st goes 2:2 he has a wheel draw a lot of the time. Given that, I think when we make #5 after 2nd and lead, if we are reraised, its more of a crying call down then a 3-bet for value.
Time Link to 00:27:53
The BB went from 3 to Pat when he C/R'ed after the 1st draw. UTG with his 86543 seems like an easy 3-bet for value/force button out of the pot after getting faced with the C/R.
Folding at any point against BB seems ridiculous to me.
Time Link to 00:35:35
Whats the worse hand we should be 3-betting for value here? I feel like with a lot of 86s, we gain more from just taking a passive and having villain pat some breakable 87s and bet our hand for us. This is of course assuming we expect villain to be pat here the majority of the time when he reraises us after we lead.
really betting a 96542 in 1:1 on the turn is thin DD?
Sure I mean taking 96 up against a 1 card draw with 2 cracks at it we are like a little better than even money, I'd call that thin. Not to say there is another way to play the hand really.
I think when the BB reraises our lead and draws 1 after 1st goes 2:2 he has a wheel draw a lot of the time. Given that, I think when we make #5 after 2nd and lead, if we are reraised, its more of a crying call down then a 3-bet for value.
Yeah agree, good point
The BB went from 3 to Pat when he C/R'ed after the 1st draw. UTG with his 86543 seems like an easy 3-bet for value/force button out of the pot after getting faced with the C/R.
Folding at any point against BB seems ridiculous to me.
Shrug most of these guys are just super passive so his CR bet bet despite being 3 to pat just seemed strong. I agree he should normally 3 bet on the flop but after that I don't mind his play, lose a little less when beat and don't let the guy break.
Whats the worse hand we should be 3-betting for value here? I feel like with a lot of 86s, we gain more from just taking a passive and having villain pat some breakable 87s and bet our hand for us. This is of course assuming we expect villain to be pat here the majority of the time when he reraises us after we lead.
Agreed, probably num 6 or num 7 is a fine cut off point
Time Link to 00:32:31
At lowstakes this openfold river vs pat is fairly standard at some players. So if we assume we have the read, that he's openfolding a lot in these situations, is checking back our snow weak here, or we just make a crying bet hoping he forgot to openfold?
Very nice video, some really epic moments, thanks!
Sure I mean taking 96 up against a 1 card draw with 2 cracks at it we are like a little better than even money, I'd call that thin. Not to say there is another way to play the hand really.
sigh i thought it was on the turn. i agree its thin on the flop, but still correct.
It is ott, but since we're OOP we're effectively against him drawing twice still.
Time Link to 00:03:38
I thought the raise on the flop would be fine with DonBess in the hand drawing 2, so he wouldn't get odds to continue drawing? Should we only be raising flop if we've improved to pat, or what situations are fine to be semi-bluffing in a MW pot and trying to push people out?
Time Link to 00:21:12
On the CO vs an UTG limper we iso-raise with 248xx, what's the worst 2cd we're iso-raising with, and do we have a limp-along range here? My guess is 3cds are too weak to limp behind since we're not on the BTN and as 3cds get worse we really don't want to get stuck in a MW pot with a rough draw, so perhaps our range should be mostly raise or fold?
Time Link to 00:48:12
Hey, enjoyed the video. Been playing some 2/4-5/10 27TD and was wondering how to adjust to some of the regs in blind battles.
If the BB were on the laggy 3bet happy side should we start limp-calling these sorts of hands (and/or which others), or just tighten our starting requirements and keep raising of folding? What's your play from SB with a hand like 367xx or 458xx vs a tough opponent?
How wide do you defend the BB against a player that's also opening SB with 2wxxx type hands and are you 3betting some/all/none of your 2cds?
I thought the raise on the flop would be fine with DonBess in the hand drawing 2, so he wouldn't get odds to continue drawing? Should we only be raising flop if we've improved to pat, or what situations are fine to be semi-bluffing in a MW pot and trying to push people out?
Not very many, I suppose if the guy who leads out is a poor player and the last guy is a good player, trying to get heads up is worth more, but generally we open up a can of worms raising often here since we will very often have a hand that has improved, but is simply too weak to be jamming with (maybe we had 268 and catch a 7 for a nearly worst-case example).
On the CO vs an UTG limper we iso-raise with 248xx, what's the worst 2cd we're iso-raising with, and do we have a limp-along range here? My guess is 3cds are too weak to limp behind since we're not on the BTN and as 3cds get worse we really don't want to get stuck in a MW pot with a rough draw, so perhaps our range should be mostly raise or fold?
Kinda depends on the looseness of players left to act, but something like 358 might not be terrible if the limper is bad and players behind are fairly tight. I'd overlimp something like 242KK
Hey, enjoyed the video. Been playing some 2/4-5/10 27TD and was wondering how to adjust to some of the regs in blind battles.
If the BB were on the laggy 3bet happy side should we start limp-calling these sorts of hands (and/or which others), or just tighten our starting requirements and keep raising of folding? What's your play from SB with a hand like 367xx or 458xx vs a tough opponent?
How wide do you defend the BB against a player that's also opening SB with 2wxxx type hands and are you 3betting some/all/none of your 2cds?
I open both those hands even vs tough players. I do limp/call some 2 card hands but just open raising those is fine too.
I defend super wide, any 2 low cards (including like 76) if they open wide. If I 3 bet then I 3 bet all my 2 cds, depends how light I perceive them opening / how well they play post. It's good to bloat pot vs bad straightforward players who open wide and don't fight for pots / ever snow. The opposite true too of course
Time Link to 00:37:47
Once opponent discards here (right table) what sorts of Jxxxx hands should we stand pat with? I've been discussing this with some other players, the consensus seems to be to break it OOP much more often than IP, since we don't know if opponent is pat yet. I guess this is an easy break as our draw is probably smoother than our opponents and he seems to be pretty bad on the river (he bet-called 987xx).
On 39:26 we're in a similar spot where we're IP in a 1-2 spot and we catch a J8652. Shouldn't we sometimes raise here and stand pat if he discards or draw to our 86 if he pats himself? I wouldn't seem to think our draw is better than his that often (in the actual hand he was drawing to 2467x).
I guess my question is what are all the considerations we should take into account when deciding whether to break a J or not IP and OOP, and what hand (for example) would be a borderline decision between breaking or not in each of these two spots?
You should usually break unless its a bread and butter situation (say its 1:1 on 2nd draw and he checks to you and this guy never CRs, then you can bet some jacks and pat). All the other times even if the guy only like raises you and is pat 10% of the time, it swings it from an ok play to really bad quickly. That's the nature of pat jacks, they just aren't worth very much because presumably you are playing solid starting hands and are smooth.
The 2568J example would be a good borderline case if it was a bread and butter spot. Something like 3568J seems like an obvious pat if the situation presents itself.
Thanks for all your replies, appreciate it. Look forward to the next 27TD vid!
Not very many, I suppose if the guy who leads out is a poor player and the last guy is a good player, trying to get heads up is worth more, but generally we open up a can of worms raising often here since we will very often have a hand that has improved, but is simply too weak to be jamming with (maybe we had 268 and catch a 7 for a nearly worst-case example).
Would a flop raise be a better play if SB had drawn two cards instead of 1 card?
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