Fantam
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I really like your discussion about the merits of value checking this turn.
It is something which I have recently been thinking about in my own play, when I have found myself almost automatically 2-barrelling and being check raised with a hand that I would at least like to show down unimproved.
Value checking will in those instances allow me to show down less expensively and get a better read on my opponent.
As I saw this hand, I was thinking "what about a value check ?" and I appreciate Chris's observation that the turn decision between checking and betting can often be one of the most difficult decisions in holdem.
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ToneLoc777
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Not trying to troll, but what is the point of the preview? Isn't the idea of a preview to give a sample of the product to entice new customers? This is 2 minutes plus of banter, but no real substance. Maybe give the viewer the discussion of the first hand and then cut the video off. Just my two cents.
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DeathDonkey
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Not trying to troll, but what is the point of the preview? Isn't the idea of a preview to give a sample of the product to entice new customers? This is 2 minutes plus of banter, but no real substance. Maybe give the viewer the discussion of the first hand and then cut the video off. Just my two cents.
I suppose I agree, the 2 minute previews aren't something I assume tons of people actually watch for content. I guess I think the preview is there for someone to get an idea of what format the video is in (is it a replayer, a live sweat, a powerpoint presentation, etc) and maybe get a general overview as often a video maker will give a general rundown of what the video/series will be about in the first few min.
We do have a number of videos that we make free in their entirety to basic users that you can filter for on the Videos page.
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TazUltimate
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Not trying to troll, but what is the point of the preview? Isn't the idea of a preview to give a sample of the product to entice new customers? This is 2 minutes plus of banter, but no real substance. Maybe give the viewer the discussion of the first hand and then cut the video off. Just my two cents.
Yeah the previews of the episode 1(s) in general are way better than the later episodes in a series. During episode 1 you get a general idea how the episode and often the series will be laid out. In later episodes the preview often is just for format features like DeathDonkey described.
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DiggerTheDog
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BigBadBabar
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BBB or DD
Can you comment on BigBlinds Coldcall PF with K4o - vs a TAG regular isolating from BTN a loose passive?
Is that standard?
How would you incorporate that micro-read into evaluating his overall game/player type?
Small nitpick - I wouldn't call it a coldcall since it's just one more bet presumably closing the action after the limper calls.
I think it's slightly on the loose side but not a big deal. I bet DD and other guys who are more comfy at higher stakes - with looser ranges - say it's totally standard. That player in the BB seems to be slightly on the laggy side of lagtaggy, and realizes that I'm isolating the loose guy with a pretty wide range. He's getting a good price and really wants to play the pot.
I see a lot of people defend the same hands in that spot that they would defend in a HU situation, which I don't think is quite right but at the same time I don't think is a big deal. I probably wouldn't draw any special inference from seeing this one hand since it's so close to the standard ranges. If he showed up with 72o or T3o then I think it'd be a little more noteworthy.
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DeathDonkey
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BigBadBabar
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Would you also bet the turn with just air here?
Great video!
I think leading air on the scarecard ace is reasonable. Good players might not believe you since you'd probably raise an ace preflop, or bet a pair, draw, or air on the flop some of the time. But against bad players who probably aren't thinking about those things and will just think "scary ace, he bets, I fold" it should work well. Glad you liked the video!
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bellatrix
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You made a lot of comments between c/r and c/c this river. Any merits on a river donk, since you suspect him to be so polarized, just play WA/WB or would be rather that he frustratingly gives up on his air, rather than we get that thin value from a smaller pair (either pocket pair that failed to 3b pre of something like a 5)?
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BigBadBabar
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You made a lot of comments between c/r and c/c this river. Any merits on a river donk, since you suspect him to be so polarized, just play WA/WB or would be rather that he frustratingly gives up on his air, rather than we get that thin value from a smaller pair (either pocket pair that failed to 3b pre of something like a 5)?
If I think he has a lot of air in his range then I'm not sure a donk achieves a lot -- although we're not sure if he would have fired the 3rd barrel or not. If he wouldn't have fired it, though, then he doesn't call the river bet, and if he would have fired it then my donk prevents him from doing so
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bellatrix
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If I think he has a lot of air in his range then I'm not sure a donk achieves a lot -- although we're not sure if he would have fired the 3rd barrel or not. If he wouldn't have fired it, though, then he doesn't call the river bet, and if he would have fired it then my donk prevents him from doing so
but then he value checks all the hands he was doing it for value with?
I mean, the discussion was pretty interesting, because you guys immediately put him on a 3 or air on the river, while I though the whole time he was doing it with a 5 or something like 66 or 44 or even a baby ace that has a gutter (A4,A2) and was doing it sort of as a semi-bluff/value. Most of those hands we beat on the river (with exception of what he ended up having - K5, which sucks for my point).
But yeah, you're right, if he does that a lot with total air, then a donk is not that good.
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BigBadBabar
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I'd expect 66 and 44 to 3bet pf almost always in that game
i think if he's value betting whatever pair that the king shouldn't really slow him down and he should go ahead and bet through it - i think an ace would be a much scarier card
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