Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by DeathDonkey (High Stakes)

Time Link to 00:21:54

he could def be c/r Kx here i call turn river all day.

Time Link to 00:12:48

What about a peel on the Flop with the backdoorstraightdraw and the A?

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I dont like the c/c c/r that much when the T pairs on the Turn, because most oppenents will call down lighter imo because you wouldn't c/c c/r with a 9 or a 7 and he might think that you would c/r a T and therefore in his view your range is pretty narrowed...

I would like it if a 9 or 7 hits tho.
What do u guys think about that?

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he could def be c/r Kx here i call turn river all day.

Is this an individual player read? Cuz I think in general its super spewy to be doing that with Kx on that board texture and wouldn't expect most winning players to do so by default

What about a peel on the Flop with the backdoorstraightdraw and the A?

Yeah looking at it now I like a peel too, but we do have some reverse implied odds to consider, so I think its probably pretty close

I dont like the c/c c/r that much when the T pairs on the Turn, because most oppenents will call down lighter imo because you wouldn't c/c c/r with a 9 or a 7 and he might think that you would c/r a T and therefore in his view your range is pretty narrowed...

I would like it if a 9 or 7 hits tho.
What do u guys think about that?

Well maybe the play sucked because most villains think we can't have 9x or 7x, but of course I play 9x and 7x that way pretty much as a standard on that board so they would be completely wrong. But I guess if you are right that people think that way then the play is bad and I'm gonna get rich c/c CRing 3rd pair on boards like this

What about a peel on the Flop with the backdoorstraightdraw and the A?

I don't hate it - given that I had a green note on him (meaning when I took the note I don't think he plays well) I tend to assume that when he does 3bet preflop he's more likely to 2nd barrel which means my thin peels won't be as fruitful since I won't get a free card as often. There's also a big chance my ace is dominated, and the king on board means I could be drawing to three outs. It does look like his stats are shaping up to be laggy, though, which probably means I should re-examine my green note - usually those are more for very loosepassive guys. I also see that he's very showdown bound which means I'd be less likely to semibluff him on the turn. So I feel a little better about a fold than a peel but I need to figure out more about this player. To be honest I could even fold it preflop without it being a big deal.

he could def be c/r Kx here i call turn river all day.

I see Kx pretty rarely here, but have seen it sometimes. If I'm ahead it's more often vs something like JT/QJ I think.

I dont like the c/c c/r that much when the T pairs on the Turn, because most oppenents will call down lighter imo because you wouldn't c/c c/r with a 9 or a 7 and he might think that you would c/r a T and therefore in his view your range is pretty narrowed...

I would like it if a 9 or 7 hits tho.
What do u guys think about that?

The biggest factor for me was that the guy always fires 2 barrels, so I feel like I'd always go for c/c c/r with my value range on that board, so I should do so with my semibluffs also. In a 6m game I probably would c/c c/r with 9x or 7x there but I think you're right that in a FR game with the tighter ranges those hands might not be worth a value c/r. And yes, a lot of players will c/r Tx on this kind of flop, or Jx on a jack high flop, because they reason their hand is vulnerable to a lot of turn cards and if their opponent has overs the turn might get checked back anyway. So when I don't checkraise the flop he doesn't put me on Tx as much when I c/r the turn. I like your thinking here.

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Time Link to 00:23:58

What's your Cut-off for Calling on the right?
I would have instafolded K6o here even knowing that the Isoraiser will isoraise light, but the hand itself is pretty hand and also has probably negative or at best neutral IOs.
But you will probs call all suited hands with these bad players in that spot even though ur oop.

What Hands would you 3bet approximately?
Not sure about how to play smaller PPs in that Spot.because it's fine getting the pot HU with Dead-money but creating a multiwaypot with 2 bad Players is nice aswell.

Time Link to 01:05:46

I found it a bit surprising that you never even questioned the raise on the turn 9... maybe it's just how I run lately. It hits a fair part of villains resteal range and lots of the hands that the "wait till turn" raise targeted for value now end up owning hero. Am I thinking too weak here? FWIW, I'd have no hesitation about raising a paired 6 on the turn as it hits hero's range a lot better than villain's and can still occasionally prevent a 3! from overpairs.

Time Link to 00:24:18

Again a question about your CCing and 3betting range on the left hand table with 98s.
Do you coldcall 3 with PPs, if so with any? I guess T9s is close aswell.
How do you balance it? With which Hands would you coldcap? 99+AKo+ maybe AQs aswell? Do you sometimes coldcall with AA or KK to mix it up or do you think the value you loose is more than the deception you create 4way?

about the Flopplay: you probably bet out with Sets on that Board aswell to balance your play I guess, Do you c/r at all on that kind of flop?

Time Link to 00:36:32

Betting out with a Boat doesn't make sense at all imo
Hero will most likely have a Fkush here;Maybe an light raise with Ax and therefore will call a bet with Ax but b/ca with a flush...
In his shoes I think a c/r would be the better play with a FH, He's kind of really repping a Q that wants to avoid a check behind of an Ax; though donking the flop wouldn't make sense ( but you gae some explanations for that)...

I found it a bit surprising that you never even questioned the raise on the turn 9... maybe it's just how I run lately. It hits a fair part of villains resteal range and lots of the hands that the "wait till turn" raise targeted for value now end up owning hero. Am I thinking too weak here? FWIW, I'd have no hesitation about raising a paired 6 on the turn as it hits hero's range a lot better than villain's and can still occasionally prevent a 3! from overpairs.

Very weak imo, its just an auto raise, I think its maybe only slightly debatable if turn is a king

What's your Cut-off for Calling on the right?
I would have instafolded K6o here even knowing that the Isoraiser will isoraise light, but the hand itself is pretty hand and also has probably negative or at best neutral IOs.
But you will probs call all suited hands with these bad players in that spot even though ur oop.

What Hands would you 3bet approximately?
Not sure about how to play smaller PPs in that Spot.because it's fine getting the pot HU with Dead-money but creating a multiwaypot with 2 bad Players is nice aswell.

In the past I would've called (4handed pot right?) any ace here, any 2 cards above 8, any pair, any 2 suited, and tons of connected cards. DeathDonkey is having me open up more in these spots as you've seen in the series.

There are two limps and then a raise so the pot is going to be 4handed almost always, whether I 3bet or not. So I don't like 3betting super widely here, given that I'm OOP. I already have good relative position to the PFR and can donk (for value) or checkraise (for protection) a lot of favorable flops. Normally I 3bet just the normal big stuff here: maybe 88+, AJs+, AQo+, KQs. It's a pretty common spot and similar to the common 3handed spot where it goes limp, iso, you're in BB. It's a good Stove exercise.

I found it a bit surprising that you never even questioned the raise on the turn 9... maybe it's just how I run lately. It hits a fair part of villains resteal range and lots of the hands that the "wait till turn" raise targeted for value now end up owning hero. Am I thinking too weak here? FWIW, I'd have no hesitation about raising a paired 6 on the turn as it hits hero's range a lot better than villain's and can still occasionally prevent a 3! from overpairs.

I normally raise it more than I call it. I was a bit surprised that DeathDonkey thinks it's such a slam dunk, but this is the kind of thing he's helping me to improve on. I think in this particular instance I called either through distraction from talking, or because I was a bit shell-shocked from running poorly, or perhaps some combination of the two.

Again a question about your CCing and 3betting range on the left hand table with 98s.
Do you coldcall 3 with PPs, if so with any? I guess T9s is close aswell.
How do you balance it? With which Hands would you coldcap? 99+AKo+ maybe AQs aswell? Do you sometimes coldcall with AA or KK to mix it up or do you think the value you loose is more than the deception you create 4way?

about the Flopplay: you probably bet out with Sets on that Board aswell to balance your play I guess, Do you c/r at all on that kind of flop?

Up until a few months ago I've never had a call-2 range here - preferring to cap or fold anything I want to play (and this goes moreso for when the ranges are wider in a BTN/SB steal resteal or a CO/BTN steal resteal. Fnupple had a nice post about it which got me thinking, and also just there are some spots when the action comes from earlier position, or there's a bad player in the pot (or multiple ones) where not getting to the flop just seems wrong somehow. As I slowly move up, people are also more aggressive preflop, wider ranges, and more aware of stealing and restealing, so I think my preflop play needs to become more fluid as well, to match that.

So I'd say it's a spot I'm currently working on in my game - incorporating a call-2 range here. I do like OTR's recommendation in a FR game of when the raise comes from early position to cc the SB with hands you'd normally 3bet with. In the last few months I've been sometimes calling 2 here, probably with a pretty unbalanced range of stuff like QJs, JTs, smaller pocket pairs types of hands.

If I were going to coldcap I'd do it with the range you listed; maybe tweaking it a little based on who the pfr and pf3b are. If they're both super laggy then I'm opening up my range obviously.

I think eventually I will shift to calling 2 here with a lot more stuff, and possibly balancing it by including my big hands in that range as well, to balance and protect my range - stuff like AA, AKs balances stuff like 55, JTs. It's still in flux for me though.

Flop action - this is assuming I call 2 pf, right, and not that I capped? I would donk out strong value hands multiway 4handed, sure, especially on a board texture where it might not always get cbet. That would be with hands where I want/welcome heavy multiway action, like sets, big draws, maybe nut overpairs. I'd look to checkraise more with reasonable/medium value hands that benefit from protection and maybe folding some other players out - top pair, medium pocket pairs, etc. I'd be checking my misses too, obviously, like overcards.

Betting out with a Boat doesn't make sense at all imo
Hero will most likely have a Fkush here;Maybe an light raise with Ax and therefore will call a bet with Ax but b/ca with a flush...
In his shoes I think a c/r would be the better play with a FH, He's kind of really repping a Q that wants to avoid a check behind of an Ax; though donking the flop wouldn't make sense ( but you gae some explanations for that)...

Yeah, I agree that he should checkraise a full house. That was probably the main reason I ended up raising, as I talked about in the vid.

I normally raise it more than I call it. I was a bit surprised that DeathDonkey thinks it's such a slam dunk, but this is the kind of thing he's helping me to improve on. I think in this particular instance I called either through distraction from talking, or because I was a bit shell-shocked from running poorly, or perhaps some combination of the two.

If I just randomly posted the hand and stopped the action after he bets turn I think the replies in our LHE forums would be some combo of "why didn't you raise the flop" and "of course raise the turn as played". I also think the river was a pretty clear fold that we missed / I didn't emphasize strongly enough how bad the river card was for us.

If I just randomly posted the hand and stopped the action after he bets turn I think the replies in our LHE forums would be some combo of "why didn't you raise the flop" and "of course raise the turn as played". I also think the river was a pretty clear fold that we missed / I didn't emphasize strongly enough how bad the river card was for us.

wait I thought he was talking about the Q9 hand on the right table where we turn second pair

That's what my previous commentary was referring to. I think the AQ on Q979 hand was pretty straightforward until I got 3bet on the turn.

Very weak imo, its just an auto raise, I think its maybe only slightly debatable if turn is a king

Ok played around a bit, 9 isn't one of the worst cards, but the times villain actually has it is costly. Probably had MUB from playing PLO. Not that I worried about the 9 as such, but hero's raise making villain fold hands that would give one more bet on the river. Again, not such a big issue in FL as I had in my head.

I still can't see raising a turn K based on equity or especially EV. You never abandon the plan of raising turn (for value) depending on the actual turn card (K is the worst one obv)?

All of this depends on parameters like villains range, folding range on turn, bluff/calling range on river.

BTW I was first thinking of this in a vacuum, but raising obv gets better if you can also throw in enough semibluffs in this spot.

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What river cards would you bet here?

Pasita, could you confirm which hand you are talking about? AQ on left table or Q9s on right table?

AQ

What river cards would you bet here?

Any board pair, as well as 5, 2.

Not A, K, J, 9.

Not sure about 6, 7, 8, but probably I would lean toward betting.

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Oh regarding the Q9s hand: if villain CRs 22+ and all draws on the flop, I find raising the 9 quite adventurous (and that's assuming we can get away from a CR on the river when villain hits his draw). If he needs the usual 4+ to CR flop, I think raising the turned Nine lights about .4BB on fire.

AQ

Oh, then I think it's a slam-dunk turn raise

dd or bbb - u got any recommendation for more basic full ring LHE content?

Thanks for the fast and long answers
Unfortunately I couldn't answer earlier, sorry.

Concerning the Floppeel with A high vs the green tagged guy: I was just suprised seeing you instafold and not even thinking. But I dont really mind it. I think its probably a bit better than peeling tho.

@CCing :
I struggle with that tpic alot myself, so that's why I'm asking. I just find it hard to balance my range in these spots. But I gues its probably really hard to have a balanced range in that spot...Could you please post the link to teh post of fnupple that made you thinking about CCing? Thanks.

So in that spot your donkingrange would be stronger than your c/ring range?But thats probs not a problem, coz these kind of situations come up so infrequently that you don't have to worry that much about balacing I guess...
Col. Im looking forward to the next installment

dd or bbb - u got any recommendation for more basic full ring LHE content?

I think the series I did with Danzasmack might be what you are looking for, it was mostly at 50c/1 and 1/2 if I remember right.

dd or bbb - u got any recommendation for more basic full ring LHE content?

DD and Danza did Lags on a Leash

I did Peanut Collector and Peanut Protector

PygmyHero did Dude Where's My Mouse

Thanks for the fast and long answers
Unfortunately I couldn't answer earlier, sorry.

Concerning the Floppeel with A high vs the green tagged guy: I was just suprised seeing you instafold and not even thinking. But I dont really mind it. I think its probably a bit better than peeling tho.

@CCing :
I struggle with that tpic alot myself, so that's why I'm asking. I just find it hard to balance my range in these spots. But I gues its probably really hard to have a balanced range in that spot...Could you please post the link to teh post of fnupple that made you thinking about CCing? Thanks.

So in that spot your donkingrange would be stronger than your c/ring range?But thats probs not a problem, coz these kind of situations come up so infrequently that you don't have to worry that much about balacing I guess...
Col. Im looking forward to the next installment

Here's the link to the fnupple thread:

http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/1-Mid-High-Stakes-Limit-Hold-em/98551-Stupid-turn-spot-WARNING-

Time Link to 00:59:23

Why fold with A7 vs the big blind? When you check behind the turn, he may bluff the river with T9, QT, Q9, 97. I think b/f turn planning to check the river was a viable option as well.

Why fold with A7 vs the big blind? When you check behind the turn, he may bluff the river with T9, QT, Q9, 97. I think b/f turn planning to check the river was a viable option as well.

I don't think he check/calls those hands on the flop. The openenders are fairly normal checkraises on this board texture where a check/call is going to indicate interest just as much as a check/raise - he has hands with reasonable equity but not showdown value - a check/call doesn't make a ton of sense. The gutshots are either checkfolds or check/raises imo - no showdown value and very low equity - checkcalling doesn't seem great either. Once the king comes on the turn I now lose to another class of hands that I was beating - king high peels.

I think I talked about it some during the video as well as far as the ranges.

I don't see a lot of merit in a bet with ace high on this turn - in your mind is it for value? Is it for bluff? Am I calling down a checkraise? It seems like a gross spot to put a lot of action in with ace high.

I don't think he check/calls those hands on the flop. The openenders are fairly normal checkraises on this board texture where a check/call is going to indicate interest just as much as a check/raise - he has hands with reasonable equity but not showdown value - a check/call doesn't make a ton of sense. The gutshots are either checkfolds or check/raises imo - no showdown value and very low equity - checkcalling doesn't seem great either. Once the king comes on the turn I now lose to another class of hands that I was beating - king high peels.

I think I talked about it some during the video as well as far as the ranges.

I don't see a lot of merit in a bet with ace high on this turn - in your mind is it for value? Is it for bluff? Am I calling down a checkraise? It seems like a gross spot to put a lot of action in with ace high.

Thank you for your detailed explanation. I see and I think I'm starting to concur. To answer your question, in my mind it was for value, and we would fold to a raise.

I assume if our opponent was loose passive, like ones you find often at 2/4 and 3/6, then a bet for value would be in order on the turn?

Great series by the way.

If a guy were super loose passive like at lower stakes, then yeah, it'd be closer to a bet.

One potential problem with your line of thinking of bet/fold the turn for value is that if he does decide to semibluff me on the turn (say he turns a draw, or decided not to checkraise his flopped draw), and I fold, I could be folding the best hand in a reasonable-sized pot. A general rule of thumb I use, which is oversimplified but still has some merit, is that if you will face a really gross decision on the turn when checkraised, then checking back the turn is worth considering. For example when you are high up in your range or very low in your range it's much easier to respond (continuing and folding, respectively). But when you're sort of in the middle of the range it gets tricky.

Time Link to 00:53:39

Blind battle against K8 guy. We defend A4o in BB. Flop is 346r.

BBB wants to raise, DD to just peel. Obviously good point by DD that it depends on turn barreling frequencies. When I saw the hand, I must say I was in BBB's camp and wanted to raise - what are the arguments for not raising?

- inducing a second barrel in a small pot
- getting in more money good on safe turn cards
- flexibility on bad turn cards
- helps our overall range that would like to peel this board a little more often (since we always have at least overcards)