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Poker Video: Pot-Limit Omaha by whitelime (High Stakes)

wow is all I have to say

Siiiick, now I know why you didn't have a PLO series when the schedule first came out

tyty

Wow, so sick. I think we need a new word for sick, cause it's beyond sick.

I see this is also getting posted at Blue Fire Poker. Can a DC producer give info in how this will work out? Will we get more series with instructors from DC and BFP? Would be sick IMO.

omfg this unreal, bravo to everyone involved on getting this sorted out!

so sick if bluefire and dc are hooking up. jman is incredible.

Wow, that's a sick surprise!

Wow, so sick. I think we need a new word for sick, cause it's beyond sick.

I see this is also getting posted at Blue Fire Poker. Can a DC producer give info in how this will work out? Will we get more series with instructors from DC and BFP? Would be sick IMO.

We don't have anything specific planned right now. Basically, as with other things we've done in the past, we're just looking for moments that fit right, and the plan for "PLO" definitely fit the bill. For those who haven't seen them yet, they're over at www.bluefirepoker.com -- they launched just a few days ago (last Sunday). They're pretty new, but they share a lot of the philosophies that we do about working hard to provide the best content possible, and I think it really shows (in this series and in their current content). The guys over there have been really cool to work with in developing this series and as a PLO player, I'm super pumped to see the rest of what Emil and JMan have in store.

Rob

The thing about BFP atm is the sign-up fee IMO. There hardly are any videos (yet) so a sign-up fee is weird IMO. Although I'm totally against sign-up fees anyway.

Else I'd love to take a BFP subscription next to my DC subscription. (Maybe setup a deal so DC members don't have to pay the sign-up fee or can get extra monthly discounts? Maybe only for DC members that have been members for 6+ months, else it would be cheaper to take 1 month DC and skip the sign-up fee at BFP. Just a thought, bit off topic in this thread though, sorry).

OMG OMG OMG!

OMGPhilGalfond! Wow, that's an amazing surprise, very cool. Also, great to see Blue Fire Poker (who came up with that name? ;-)) and DC working together!

wow really sick idea, best plo vid on the net by far

There was such great thought processes that went into each decision each street during this video. OMG is so on point and I thought whitelime played a really really good solid game during this video! I'd love to see you open up your 3&4 bet range a tad more and get in some more sticker situations. The only thing I didn't like was assuming twincaracas had aaxx both times he reraised from the sb. I have played more with him so I do know that he has a wider range than your hud showed for the session, but I would expect a rundown hand bf aaxx unless it is a ultra premium one like the last hand especially since he will be playing oop every street. Any thoughts on the last akj10 and possibly the kk89 being an 4-bet more than just flatting against a player with a somewhat wide range preflop?

this is just too cool, jman's thought process is like nothing i've heard before

Jman is the nuts!

WoT

wowow can't wait to watch this

OMGOMGOMGOMG... I don't know what else to say.

This is, without a doubt, unequivocally, far and away the single greatest PLO vid I have ever seen. My head is spinning.

I don't play PLO, but it was pretty cool just listening to whitelime and jman talk.

p.s. nice Upheaval avartar whitelime

All I can say is, Thank You.

OMGbluefirepoker invading

I've waited 2 years for a Jman video and it was more than worth the wait. I mean ...wow, so good. Ship bfp subscription.

I can only imagine the face of CR/Stox owners when they heard/saw this. I would play for that picture.

A good and interesting video with a lot of promise, but nothing super fantastic imo. Jman on the board does make this special though, and that said I'll be eagerly waiting for the subsequent episodes.

About table layout: On Stars you can choose where you sit. I can't imagine why you don't use the option - it just makes it so much easier to follow if u sit in same seat in every table or eg. pic the corner nearest to the center of the screen. Also that default background is hideous and who needs those avatars? A dark simple background with no image theme ftw.

On the last big hand with Twin Caracas' AAxx: If you are so eager to put him on aces, why doesn't the likely scenario of black/blank aces even get mentioned (in regards with his strange line)?? Other than that, a very tough spot and you handled it well.

I liked Jman's point on bet sizing in various spots.

Would prefer it were a bit shorter handed so we could get into tougher situations more.

I don't play PLO, but it was pretty cool just listening to whitelime and jman talk.

p.s. nice Upheaval avartar whitelime

MTG avatars FTW. Can you guess what mine is?

Jman23 are you single?

MTG avatars FTW. Can you guess what mine is?

I always thought your avatar was a basketball team...

MTG avatars FTW. Can you guess what mine is?

I'm guessing by your choice of avatar on Stars you're hoping that your bets make someone discard a card at random

Great vid guys and nice surprise

I always thought your avatar was a basketball team...

sundering titan ftw

Great, now i need a new pair of pants...

(Enter club music)

New plo series
Intro is by Krantz
Saw Whitelime and JMAN
and I
!*!*!*!*!Jizzed......in.....my......pants!*!*!*!*

Forgot to mention one thing regarding the bet sizes. Jman said he didn't like the potsized c-bets because they were telling the villain we were committed to the pot.

For me it doesn't have to be that way. Some board textures require a bigger c-bet than others to better protect your hand. You can make that bet with nuts, air or blockers, or anything in between, especially if you are heads up. Making a potsized c-bet and sending a message of being committed by it only tells that you don't balance your game enough in those spots.

Any thoughts on this?

yay, I can watch it in stereo-vision. (and I am )

omg omg this is sick

wow, absolutely brilliant. Would give it more than 5/5 stars if I could. Awesome vid, can't wait for the rest.

At 48:20, Emil flops middle set on a QJ7 monotone flop as the PFR with 2 callers. He elects to bet ~75% pot and takes it down. Jman, are you cbetting this type of a flop usually? How would your tendencies change IP or OOP? It's basically a semibluff. I expect most flushes to call at least one barrel, and there's a decent chance with 2 other opponents that one of them has it. Also, what about the bet size? I think I remember DJ Sensei saying he likes betting ~1/2 pot on monotone flops with a pretty wide range because it allows him to bluff/semibluff cheaply, and fire a cheaper 2nd barrel. I'm not sure if having the pot 3-handed would change his preference though.

As played, if the $80 cbet gets called by one opponent, are you usually barreling any non board-pairing turn?

At about 38:15, the following hand comes up.

CO: KdQhJd4h ds

Preflop: You open to 35 in the cutoff. Button calls. Both blinds call. You will be 3rd to act of 4 players. Pot = 140.

Flop: AhTs6d
Checked to you. You c-bet 110. Button folds. SB folds. Short-stacked BB check-raises full pot for 357 more leaving only 98 behind. You fold. You get check-raised off your hand but acknowledge that folding was a mistake.

Question:
You have an inside wrap and 2 BD flush draws. Phil agrees with the c-bet, saying that the BD flush draws are the main reason he would c-bet here because the BD draws allow you to barrel so many turns.

At about 4:30 in the same video, you are the preflop raiser on the button with AsKcJc5s and the flop is 9c8s2h. In his commentary, Phil says that one of the main things he looks at when deciding not to c-bet is how many turn cards will allow him to call or raise on the turn. He says that with two backdoor flush draws and 3 overs there are a lot of turns that you can continue playing on. In this situation it is heads up and you are last to act versus being 3rd to act of 4 players in the first example, so you don’t necessarily have the option to take a free card.

But the advice given seems inconsistent. Assuming you are in position, does the presence of 2 BD flush draws make it more or less likely that you should c-bet? Is the fact that you weren’t last to act in the first hand, the reason you think c-betting was correct?

- Greg

glilley,

Good question.

The backdoor draws don't make it a cbet or not a cbet on their own. The difference between the two hands is that we have a much stronger draw in hand 1, one that doesn't have to fold to a raise.

We can consider checking back the 2nd hand because it's a hand that, while it appears very weak, has enough potential on later streets that we'd like to not have to fold. The other problem with betting a board like that, is there aren't any turn cards really that we can bet and stackoff on, even though we pick up extra outs on a lot of them. (Depending on stack sizes... I don't remember them)

-Phil

Hey beachbum,

Good question. I agree with DJ Sensei. I usually make my cbets on monotone boards, 3 straight boards, and paired boards about 1/2 pot. It doesn't change all that much when the pot is 3 handed. In 4+ handed pots, I don't cbet those boards as often.

If called, I probably bet the turn most of the time. 1st, you protect against QT98 type hands that fold turn. 2nd, you need to be bluffing sometimes, and when you have 10 outs is a good time to do so.

-Phil

Very nice, Thank U.I think this is the best format for learning. U can stop at interesting points and discuss it deeply.

The thing about BFP atm is the sign-up fee IMO. There hardly are any videos (yet) so a sign-up fee is weird IMO. Although I'm totally against sign-up fees anyway.

Else I'd love to take a BFP subscription next to my DC subscription. (Maybe setup a deal so DC members don't have to pay the sign-up fee or can get extra monthly discounts? Maybe only for DC members that have been members for 6+ months, else it would be cheaper to take 1 month DC and skip the sign-up fee at BFP. Just a thought, bit off topic in this thread though, sorry).

+1 here

Time Link to 00:15:31

that was a bad place to check down couldnt believe he would try and check raise and get checked

Time Link to 00:45:56

This is excellent stuff =]

(timeline link is for my own benefit, I left the video paused over night and now it wont start playing again )

First hand def BB AQ29 flop JT8 3 flush that we dont have, turn blank c-c-c, river makes it 4 flush but a blank again.


How come we dont call the river psb by the sb? I know the SB jessica is tight, but wouldnt be this normal conditions be a call?