Episode Four

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Episode Four

Episode Four: Big Bluffs. Watch and learn how Dan and Vanessa spot weakness and use a variety of types of plays to dominate games. Structured discussion of metagame, implied threat, and, as always, the importance of hand-reading. Not for the faint of heart.

tags: metagame bluffing image implied threat dj sensei fslexcduck vanessa selbst nl hold'em ipod friendly

This Series: Unconventional Wisdom

Join DJ Sensei and Vanessa Selbst as they think outside the box. Hand after hand of unorthodox, tricky and engaging play for the small stakes No-Limit player. Bid goodbye to ABC poker but be careful not to spew!

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Comments for Episode Four

bottomset
Deuce High
97 posts
Joined 02/07

show us the hand!!!

what not to do and why can be just as valuable as what to do and why

plz

Posted Jan 22, 2008 4:54am

fslexcduck
Exec Producer
Pair of Deuces
146 posts
Joined 10/07

show us the hand!!!

what not to do and why can be just as valuable as what to do and why

plz



Sorry, we are definitely taking your advice into account and will try to include more about what not to do and why in future series. This one, however, is already all made, and we didn't include too many of our missteps. That being said, we are trying to show you multiple successful situations and the dynamics of each situation that make it successful, so hopefully we're doing a good job of that, and if not, we always appreciate feedback and questions =)

Posted Jan 22, 2008 5:24am

Squishee
Deuces Full
506 posts
Joined 01/08

When does we gonna be able to download it ? :)

Btw, even if those video are kind of too advance for me atm, I like to listen to them, keep going.

(Note to DJ Sensei, sometime you seem to have the voice of a rock singer who worked too much :)

Posted Jan 22, 2008 6:04am

Barrin6
Deuce High
5 posts
Joined 01/08

I always thought about this but never had the balls to pull it.

But anyways, thanks for making the games harder

Posted Jan 22, 2008 6:18am

arcdog
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7 posts
Joined 01/08

the instruction on raise sizing as it relates to what you are trying to represent and what you are attempting to get the opponent to lay down was very helpful. If I could point to one thing that I've enjoyed the most from these vids and the prinny/lime challenge, its been the instruction on bet sizes.

Posted Jan 22, 2008 3:07pm

Finnsey
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1 post
Joined 01/08

Vanessa,

You mention in the video that you have 8 reasons to check behind with 97dd on a KKJdd board. I can guess a few of the reasons: 1) check raise more likely; 2) squeeze more likely by BB if SB calls bet and then you have to act before you know what small blind will do; 3) pot bigger so people more willing to fight for it; etc. Would love to hear your thoughts on it.

BTW, love the series and am looking forward to next episode. :)

Posted Jan 23, 2008 2:23am

RockRattler
Deuce High
1 post
Joined 01/08

This series is sick good.

Extremely insightfull commenting from both of you. I would recommend it on 2p2 but don't want to draw to much attention to it ;-)

Thanks again - looking forward to new videos.

Posted Jan 23, 2008 11:25am

fslexcduck
Exec Producer
Pair of Deuces
146 posts
Joined 10/07

Vanessa,

You mention in the video that you have 8 reasons to check behind with 97dd on a KKJdd board. I can guess a few of the reasons: 1) check raise more likely; 2) squeeze more likely by BB if SB calls bet and then you have to act before you know what small blind will do; 3) pot bigger so people more willing to fight for it; etc. Would love to hear your thoughts on it.

BTW, love the series and am looking forward to next episode. :)



Hey Finnsey,

I'm going to answer your questions but just bear in mind that there are always conditions upon which an answer relies. I'm going to make some assumptions in my points which, if untrue, would negate the points... but bear with me.

Some of the reasons to check behind with that specifically in a HU pot are:

1) I have an almost equal amount of fold equity on the turn as the flop (sometimes more since people sometimes won't play back on the turn as much as on the flop).

2) I'm trying to represent a medium strength hand like TJ. As we talked about, easier to rep those than monsters/bluff and people are more inclined not to play back.

3) I have a disguised draw if I check behind so people might more readily pay me off when the flush comes (or maybe bluff into me hard since i can "never" have trips OR a flush)

4) When your opponent does have a monster, it's cheaper and once again more disguised to hit your flush this way.

5) When your opponent really has a monster (boat), we can use position and a smaller pot to sometimes figure it out cheaper and not get stacked.

6) It increases your checking behind frequency, which for metagame purposes, should increase the fold equity on some of your cbets and get you played back at a bit less

I don't remember what else I said about this hand but I'm sure with a bit more discussion we could come up with several more good reasons. Hope that helps =)

Posted Jan 23, 2008 3:41pm

dzejkej
Pair of Deuces
142 posts
Joined 01/08

Great as always. Sorry I have no constructive feedback it is just hard when I like it that much.

I wish you are going to do at least as many series as standard soap opera have ;).

Thanks for sharing the reasons, Vanessa. I see I have a lot to learn ..

Posted Jan 23, 2008 3:49pm

dangerfish
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7 posts
Joined 02/07

great series of videos prob some of the best work I've seen as far as instructional videos go.

Posted Jan 23, 2008 5:55pm

Radeh
Pair of Deuces
119 posts
Joined 01/08

Great video! I just joined up, but I tested your tips a bit, and they work :)

I stopped worrying a bit less about my cards, and started paying attention to the other players betting tells and characteristics. Good practice, and it helps me learn to read people.

Btw, it's funny to play total junk as a strong hand if you KNOW the opponent!

Posted Jan 31, 2008 10:03pm

theRabidDoG
Deuce High
4 posts
Joined 01/08

Vanessa,

would you have folded the QTdd on the A85J board if you hadnt picked up a draw on the turn?

Posted Feb 3, 2008 8:10pm

fslexcduck
Exec Producer
Pair of Deuces
146 posts
Joined 10/07

Vanessa,

would you have folded the QTdd on the A85J board if you hadnt picked up a draw on the turn?



i can't give you a better answer than it depends on how i felt at the time... but let's just say for me, floating the flop definitely does not always necessitate giving up on the turn... just depends on my read on the situation. this case was more what i want to be teaching as it can be justified and explained by logic/math rather than when i raise a random blank turn which could only really be justified by "feel."

Posted Feb 4, 2008 8:51am

Val Verde
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I can't get any of these videos to download...

Posted Mar 4, 2008 10:07pm

Entity
Founder
Quad Deuces
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Joined 11/06

I can't get any of these videos to download...



What happens when you click the link marked "Download WMV video" on this page?

Rob

Posted Mar 4, 2008 10:35pm

Val Verde
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Dunno what it was but it's sorted now.

Thanks!

Posted Mar 6, 2008 11:06pm

Cblanks
Deuce High
99 posts
Joined 03/08

the check behind reasons were great, ty vanessa

Posted May 26, 2008 2:49am

bobboufl11
Deuce High
6 posts
Joined 07/08

great series so far. It is very well explained, and the few times I object to something said it is quickly answered so I can see how it is a more optimal line or a viable alternative. Can't believe I've been playing so much without having seen this, really gives me an idea of what lines to take as well as how to adjust to regulars and fish

Posted Jul 22, 2008 9:40am