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Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by PygmyHero (Micro/Small Stakes)

A great primer/refresher! Some cool hands here. Nicely done.

20min AKo laydown getting 13:1 on the river checkraise

Villain would have to be ridiculously straightforward on the river and I would need a soulread and possibly a superuser hack on villain's account to laydown getting those odds. I'd like to see some math on that one.

Beyond that, wondering why Ade has suddenly started using the term "froggie", wondering what it means that I have extensive callousing on my sun and mercury mounts, and those chips are saying "ZOMG WE'RE TALKING POKER CHIPS"

also, a bit of insider comedy, after watching Babar's vids with sushi and jaybeastie and hearing both these fine european gentlemen talk, I have come to the conclusion that DC needs to commission a series featuring Oink, SG, and JB and call it "WHO THE FUCK IS TALKING?!?!"

TY, go about your business.

Ha u guys nailed my hand (I hope )! Good work! Really like this ep so far. Will come back with more

20min AKo laydown getting 13:1 on the river checkraise

Villain would have to be ridiculously straightforward on the river and I would need a soulread and possibly a superuser hack on villain's account to laydown getting those odds. I'd like to see some math on that one.

What hands would U play like villain did? How often are U bluff XR this river?

Outstanding episode, really very helpful stuff indeed. I think most people will get a lot from this one, something for everyone.

Great episode! This one was really fun to play along with. PH, the whole layout of what you're doing here is outstanding. Jess, your thought processes are getting very very good and it won't be long until you're crushing big time! Keep up the great work!

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The 55 hand: Wow I'm surprised by how much I disagree with here, much of which is related to the midstakes forum hand where 99 flopped a set (and it turns out I was "wrong" on that one from the results oriented perspective, but I still I think I was "right" or close to it with respect to the whole range).

First, I probably call preflop, but it's very marginal and you really don't have odds to set mine alone. The reason I call is that there are some flops where I can justify being aggressive with 5s and trying to show them down unimproved. I would fold 22 in the SB in this spot. Sets don't hold up as much in multiway pots, so when you are getting the action on your set to make up the implied odds you need, your equity is often far from 100% (even though you'll generally be a clear favorite). Anyway, preflop is preflop and I do ultimately think it is fine, but I was surprised Mike that you are so enthusiastic about playing in this spot because I think it is very marginal.

Flop of course is very good, very good. On the turn, I generally agree with you two about the paucity of possible hands. I discount TT very much because of preflop and flop; similarly I discount 22 a bit because of flop play. I definitely think 33 is possible here, but I think A4 is definitely in his range. I wouldn't discount A4s at all and I'd either not discount at all or only slightly discount A4o. I'd also add 64s to his range as well as 53s (if there were any combos of it possible!). Overall, you're in absolutely horrible shape against his range on the turn.

I know there is sometimes a fair amount of chest-beating and caveman style utterances "Me have set! Me raise!" here in our forums (but not by Mike and Jess -- although I don't have enough of a read to rule out the possibility that Jess' sweet voice is to disguise the fact that she is actually the hairy caveman in the Geico commercials), but I really think hand reading tells us that we are in very bad shape. The range of worse hands that we beat are 3 combos of 33, a few combos of other discounted hands and then hands that were completely misplayed by jamie. Contrast that with 20 combos of hands that have us beat right now and are played as expected. (FWIW, this my thought after the initial raise; obviously things look worse now b/c I've just watched to the point where the turn has been capped and we've been raisd on our river bet.)

I'd not feel great about just calling the turn and letting Ax stay in 3 ways those few times we do have the best hand, and that is about the only argument I can really see for wanting to 3bet the turn. That said, we're so far behind HJ's range imo that we can't profitably 3bet.

River bet is really really bad unless we think jamie is a spazzy postflop maniac (in which case turn 3bet would be fine) and that's not our read if I understand correctly. Have not seen results yet, but my weighted hand range at this point is:
A4o -- 12 combos discounted to 10 combos (which is a weight of about 80%)
A4s -- 4 combos not discounted at all
64s -- 4 combos discounted to 3 combos (which is a weight of about 80%)
33 -- 3 combos discounted to 2 combos (which is a weight of about 70%)
22 -- 3 discounted to 1 combo (which is a weight of about 30%)
random overplayed hand we beat that gives this action -- 1 combo total

I think this range is erring on the generous side for us and we're still in terrible shape.

Hey,
I'm the villain in the AK hand and you nailed it, I had KQ.
Also, I would never consider c/r bluffing in a pot of that size after button has shown all that strength preflop and on the flop - I wouldn't expect him to show up there with a hand weaker than AK and I wouldn't expect AK to fold often enough to make this bluff profitable. And needless to say I wouldn't c/r there anything for value that can't beat AK. So vs me it was a good fold.

Time Link to 00:38:07

Adri, about your comment about not trusting a 40/20 player. I agree that you should take this consideration and sometimes that means playing a hand differently than you would against a straightforward TAG player, I think you should be careful about giving excess action to a 40/20 player. Regardless of preflop stats, when bets and raises start flying into the pot on the big bet streets, players generally have strong hands. Don't overvalue your hand just because your opponent plays far from optimally preflop.

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Sick hand vs Stefan Rapp. If he is as straightforward as you say, I wonder if folding TT on the flop isn't correct? Obviously against 99% of players it would be wrong, but if that is how Rapp is exploitable, it would be pretty sick to exploit him in this way. If we can really narrow his range to Kx, 88 and (discounted) flush draws, it would be an interesting math problem to see what weighting of his flush draws makes calling down (folding to a club that isn't the T) correct?

My initial instinct was to raise the river, but given your read on Rapp, I think calling might be better (and not simply because of the results). The only hands that make sense for him are K9s and 99, and those are probably discounted quite a bit. On the other hand, there are 3 combos of suited Kx hands in spades and I guess QcJc is also possible. It's really close and I certainly don't fault your play (it's what I would do at the table). Actually, it becomes less bad to raise the river if Rapp somehow would not 3bet the river with KsQs or KsJs but I think even he would 3bet those?

Hard for me to comment really well without knowing Rapp, but it does sound like he is unusual enough that underplaying our hand on the river could be right. Then again if he is dumb and plays a hand like AA or AK this way, we would be losing a lot of value by not raising the river.

PS: I think this was a great idea for a video and it was done really well. Great choice of hands and I liked the thought process and how it was explained. The only spot where I disagree pretty strongly is the 55 hand, but I have a feeling I will be in the minority on that one anyway...

PPS: Sorry I didn't have any interesting hands to contribute. Glad the other DC members play more ring games and came up with some sweet sweet hands.

Great episode! This one was really fun to play along with. PH, the whole layout of what you're doing here is outstanding.

TY This episode was hella fun! I loved putting together the puzzle/mystery of villains holding while making sure it made sense on all streets... I wish poker hands were played this slow at the table

Jess, your thought processes are getting very very good and it won't be long until you're crushing big time! Keep up the great work!

TY are you saying there's light at the end of the micro tunnel? ^.^

Hey,
I'm the villain in the AK hand and you nailed it, I had KQ.

!! thanks for the closure!

Beyond that, wondering why Ade has suddenly started using the term "froggie",

My guild leader used to say that in EQ2 when he was inquiring if we were up for tackling something extremely adventurous/ballsy/needed a positive/half-corked attitude to ever think about attempting ^.^ ie Should we go for Estate of Unrest with three 70's?? Are we feeling froggy? Yes? Always? SADDLE UP"

Fuck I miss that game T_T
Can't afford it right now, it's more of a treat while DC is like an investment
Obv once I learn to play poker at like a 2/4 level I can afford EQ2 and get froggy again all over the world ^.^

Adri, about your comment about not trusting a 40/20 player. I agree that you should take this consideration and sometimes that means playing a hand differently than you would against a straightforward TAG player, I think you should be careful about giving excess action to a 40/20 player. Regardless of preflop stats, when bets and raises start flying into the pot on the big bet streets, players generally have strong hands. Don't overvalue your hand just because your opponent plays far from optimally preflop.

I think you're right... I'm a little too prejudiced toward preflop numbers in general I think. And I'm looking at 40/20 like it's 90/55 which is wrongo ^.^

Hey,
I'm the villain in the AK hand and you nailed it, I had KQ.
Also, I would never consider c/r bluffing in a pot of that size after button has shown all that strength preflop and on the flop - I wouldn't expect him to show up there with a hand weaker than AK and I wouldn't expect AK to fold often enough to make this bluff profitable. And needless to say I wouldn't c/r there anything for value that can't beat AK. So vs me it was a good fold.

Hey! Thank u for sharing. I would never bluff myself in this spot, so I guess we are both "ridiculously straightforward" !

I can't stop thinking about EQ2 now.... Maybe I will put a month on my credit card just to boost morale!

haha, as soon as i saw rapp donk that river i thought "plz dont raise, pygmy! plz dont raise!!"

haven't played much with him lately, but i'm pretty sure calling his flop c/r is at best very marginal.

What hands would U play like villain did? How often are U bluff XR this river?

My whole deal in that post was reads. As we can see from the forum posts, our opponent is a DC user and therefore his play approaches something that may make SENSE and we can lean towards folding TPTK. Against some spazzy rando (as I'm sure Jess sees basically everyday always at .50/1) I'm more inclined to call getting those kind of odds. This speaks toward the importance of taking notes on our opponents and passing along as much information as we can along with our hands to the general forum-going public. Take notes, share stats people. Makes it easier on everyone.

Oh, and Jess. Speaking as a professional devil on the shoulder: DO EEET, PLAY EQ2!!! ONE MONTH WON'T HURT YOU!! DO EEET!

Hey! Thank u for sharing. I would never bluff myself in this spot, so I guess we are both "ridiculously straightforward" !

Yeah may be Although thinking about it a little more, it might be a decent option to call, even if it's definitely -ev in a vacuum vs a tag I think, but when you fold on the river your hand is a really obvious AK, AA or maybe KJ, so you basically tell me you are capable of folding tptk in a huge pot for one bet on the river when I can rep something stronger. It can be dangerous vs many (including me I mean I'd never bluff there without history but you will probably have to call me next time lol.

Against some spazzy rando (as I'm sure Jess sees basically everyday always at .50/1) I'm more inclined to call getting those kind of odds.

yeah definitely vs an unknown or a donk who may think he has any FE because of the bdfd and it's an awesome spot to get tricky, I'm calling here always.

Oh, and Jess. Speaking as a professional devil on the shoulder: DO EEET, PLAY EQ2!!! ONE MONTH WON'T HURT YOU!! DO EEET!

I did it! Soooo happeeeeee galloping across the Thundering Steppes slaying skellies ^.^
My horses were like "Where the fuck were you!?" and the rent on my house was seriously overdue lol

I used to decompress from the poker grind with a solid month of grinding World of Warcraft. Unfortunately the idea of paying someone else for the privilege of playing their game paled in comparison to taking mass stacks of cash money from noobs at Stars and FTP. That's when I deleted my characters, burned my bridges and walked away completely from MMORPGs.

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Semi-randomly reviewing some stuff today, and ummm...how do I not have a single post in my own thread? Weird..

Anyway, daiquiri, thanks for stopping by and giving us some closure on sushi's AK hand - that's pretty cool of you. I wish I could take credit for having pre-arranged that, but I did not. Generally, I agree with all comments here - sushi probably needs to call you next time, especially now that you two have had this conversation here.

sweetjazz3 - great stuff as usual. I really don't have anything to add.

Oh, and retrospectively I'm close to positive that I overplayed the TT hand versus Rapp on the river and probably the flop too.