Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by sthief09 (Mid Stakes)

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I couldn't see the preflop action on this hand and I think it's important. Is villain raising the co with tj with a 15bb fish on the btn? Does he cb flop with 22-33? I'm pretty sure he's not bluffing or value betting worse.

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What is your strategy for cbetting in 3bet pots when you miss? Do you just give up on bad boards or bet once and give up unimproved? An example is you 3bet AK from the BB and the flops Q73 and he calls would you be barrelling to get him of PPs like JJ-88 or just giving up unimproved?

I think for me its alot tougher to be in 3 bet pots OOP when you miss. IP I usually always cbet inless the boards like 1098tt where your never getting folds.

I guess my biggest ? is what is your strategy in 3bet pots where your OOP and missd the flop and why?

which euro network is this?

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What is your strategy for cbetting in 3bet pots when you miss? Do you just give up on bad boards or bet once and give up unimproved? An example is you 3bet AK from the BB and the flops Q73 and he calls would you be barrelling to get him of PPs like JJ-88 or just giving up unimproved?

I think for me its alot tougher to be in 3 bet pots OOP when you miss. IP I usually always cbet inless the boards like 1098tt where your never getting folds.

I guess my biggest ? is what is your strategy in 3bet pots where your OOP and missd the flop and why?

On bad board textures that hit villains range I think check folding is fine when you have little equity if called, or worse reverse implied odds when you bet and hit but then have a second best hand. However if you know that villain will float one then give up on the turn then obv bet twice. The key is to know your opponent tendencies and the only way you can do that is by filtering his hands that went to showdown in 3bet pots using HEM. It takes a lot of time but its worth it especially if you play the same regs day in day out.

On bad board textures that hit villains range I think check folding is fine when you have little equity if called, or worse reverse implied odds when you bet and hit but then have a second best hand. However if you know that villain will float one then give up on the turn then obv bet twice. The key is to know your opponent tendencies and the only way you can do that is by filtering his hands that went to showdown in 3bet pots using HEM. It takes a lot of time but its worth it especially if you play the same regs day in day out.

Great ideal. I tend to notice regs usually dont change there tendencies in 3bet pots or not 3bet pots but this isnt true for all. Thanks for the reply because I think a huge leak in my game is 3bet cbetting OOP. I tend to think I should just do it every time.

Great ideal. I tend to notice regs usually dont change there tendencies in 3bet pots or not 3bet pots but this isnt true for all. Thanks for the reply because I think a huge leak in my game is 3bet cbetting OOP. I tend to think I should just do it every time.

Remember in most situations doing X bet in Y scenario is only trying to keep you from being exploitable. However, in reality, no one is truly "exploiting" you. No one is playing perfect poker, and not many players take the time to go through their various opponents to find their tendencies to 'exploit' in the first place (I mean, ask yourself, do you regularly do that? Probably not, so most likely neither are your opponents). So considering those factors, you can happily play an "exploitable" style vs 99.9**% of your opponents in every situation. Just try to keep in mind that trends now, will be past trends in 1 year, so its all about making adjustments that are relevant to todays games and keep on checking up on your own play as well as your regular opponents.

did someone else write this? seems to good (emglish and poker sense)
just joking ......but not really

Think in this situation some very usfull stats that come into play when you dont have many actual reads are..
open % from that position, fold to 3bet, fold to cbet, fold to turn bet.

eg. vill. opens from CO, you 3bet SB.

villian open 30% from here.
folds to 3bet 50-55% overall.
folds to cbet 65%.

Vs this guy you can 3bet/cbet him so much because

1 his open % is very wide to begin.
2 he will call a 3bet with many hands.
3 he folds a lot to cbets.

I guess if he calls the cbet you should not be inclined to bet turn UI due to the fact that he is only continuing with strong hands.

just thinking of examples where you would want to abuse someone in that way.

so the oposite would have to be someone with a tighter opening range. a higher fold to 3bet % (70+) and a lower fold to cbet stat(40ish).

they are going to have stronger ranges more often and not give up as much.

another type would be someone with similar stats to first guy. 30% open. 55% fold to 3bet. but they like to play back. eg. only fold 45% to cbet. they like to mix up raise bluffing cbets and floating with equity ect. Vs these guys i guess you would just want to 3bet a merged range (vaalue hands) and then value bet them/bluff them less.

I guess this guy would relate to your example of the Q73 board. If you have better reads you may see this type of player calling flop often but shutting down on turn and or river.
I would be looking for back door equity.
eg. you have AKs and the there is one of your suits on the board you know have a bunch of turn improved equity spots. or if you have KJs you have gshots and back door Flush draws. or JT you have K or a 9 to barrel.

my 2c.

nice quote rich, who are you quoting?

Sorry for delayed replies. I got back from a week in Mexico celebrating my gf's sister's Wedding. I figured I'd be able to get online, but all I could get was expensive, 1990s quality internet. Going to go through all your posts now.

I couldn't see the preflop action on this hand and I think it's important. Is villain raising the co with tj with a 15bb fish on the btn? Does he cb flop with 22-33? I'm pretty sure he's not bluffing or value betting worse.

I'm guessing you're a proponent of check/calling down. Ultimately we decided that was a good line as well. It's going to depend on villain tendencies though.

Villain may or may not open JTo there. Hard to say.

I think your c-betting assumptions basically fit the description of a nit. I know you're exaggerating a bit, but without knowing his tendencies, it's likely all TP are betting, and it's unreasonable to think an unknown won't bet QJ type hands. Most of those hands will peel vs. a c/r. He also most likely has a bluff range. Even if it's not something awful like 22 or 87s, it could be AJ, AT, J8s types.

What is your strategy for cbetting in 3bet pots when you miss? Do you just give up on bad boards or bet once and give up unimproved? An example is you 3bet AK from the BB and the flops Q73 and he calls would you be barrelling to get him of PPs like JJ-88 or just giving up unimproved?

I think for me its alot tougher to be in 3 bet pots OOP when you miss. IP I usually always cbet inless the boards like 1098tt where your never getting folds.

I guess my biggest ? is what is your strategy in 3bet pots where your OOP and missd the flop and why?

I agree with Josh's thoughts on board texture. In general, the dry boards (bigger high card is better) tend to be worse for his range and better for yours. The more coordinated flops hit both ranges to an extent, but c-betting lets him commit or use his position on future streets. I think the in-position villain has somewhat of an advantage there even though he lacks initiative, so it helps to have a stronger c-betting range than usual. This really isn't so different from single raised pots.

Never lose sight of equity either. A profitable c-betting flop may be unprofitable for the absolute bottom of your range. Conversely, a flop may be bad for c-betting but if you have a draw of some sort or a weak pair with 2pr/trips/backdoor outs, you can use those hands as your bluff range.

Remember in most situations doing X bet in Y scenario is only trying to keep you from being exploitable. However, in reality, no one is truly "exploiting" you. No one is playing perfect poker, and not many players take the time to go through their various opponents to find their tendencies to 'exploit' in the first place (I mean, ask yourself, do you regularly do that? Probably not, so most likely neither are your opponents). So considering those factors, you can happily play an "exploitable" style vs 99.9**% of your opponents in every situation. Just try to keep in mind that trends now, will be past trends in 1 year, so its all about making adjustments that are relevant to todays games and keep on checking up on your own play as well as your regular opponents.

well I think if you play enough with a certain player, he may discover exploitable tendencies, but if you're adjusting to that it shouldn't be too much of an issue to leave yourself exposed.

the last part about evolving games is incredibly true.

nice quote rich, who are you quoting?

that your work or accidental quoting? good stuff either way.

Thanks for the replies guys.

I'm guessing you're a proponent of check/calling down. Ultimately we decided that was a good line as well. It's going to depend on villain tendencies though.

Villain may or may not open JTo there. Hard to say.

I think your c-betting assumptions basically fit the description of a nit. I know you're exaggerating a bit, but without knowing his tendencies, it's likely all TP are betting, and it's unreasonable to think an unknown won't bet QJ type hands. Most of those hands will peel vs. a c/r. He also most likely has a bluff range. Even if it's not something awful like 22 or 87s, it could be AJ, AT, J8s types.

I also expect all the top pairs/gutters etc to bet the flop. I meant to say that he's not bluffing/vbetting worse on the river reraise all in.

Hmm I meant to ask if he would cb 22/33 on a board where he'd get peeled by a lot of draws/made hands. So that we can evaluate how strong his river all in, if we can take out 22/33 and if we knew he wouldn't open tj with a 15bb fish in front of him, I think we can call the river after we've donked.

I think this hand is really interesting b/c hero turned his hand pretty face up as a thin value/block bet. Yeah I agree the tendencies are really important, can we make the assumption that the better the villain is the more likely he has a bluff here? I mean he's also going to jam his 99/qq/kk (very few combos tho if you can discount tj/22/33) for value too after the river donk.

I'm guessing you're a proponent of check/calling down. Ultimately we decided that was a good line as well. It's going to depend on villain tendencies though.

Villain may or may not open JTo there. Hard to say.

I think your c-betting assumptions basically fit the description of a nit. I know you're exaggerating a bit, but without knowing his tendencies, it's likely all TP are betting, and it's unreasonable to think an unknown won't bet QJ type hands. Most of those hands will peel vs. a c/r. He also most likely has a bluff range. Even if it's not something awful like 22 or 87s, it could be AJ, AT, J8s types.

just noticed the bolded because someone replied to it. it was recent and I'm positive I meant "it's unreasonable to think an unknown will NEVER bet QJ type hands." In general I think it's more likely than not he would check them, but we cant discount it entirely.

I also expect all the top pairs/gutters etc to bet the flop. I meant to say that he's not bluffing/vbetting worse on the river reraise all in.

Hmm I meant to ask if he would cb 22/33 on a board where he'd get peeled by a lot of draws/made hands. So that we can evaluate how strong his river all in, if we can take out 22/33 and if we knew he wouldn't open tj with a 15bb fish in front of him, I think we can call the river after we've donked.

I think this hand is really interesting b/c hero turned his hand pretty face up as a thin value/block bet. Yeah I agree the tendencies are really important, can we make the assumption that the better the villain is the more likely he has a bluff here? I mean he's also going to jam his 99/qq/kk (very few combos tho if you can discount tj/22/33) for value too after the river donk.

the okay thing is that worse hands can bet for value, so it's a snapcall when the turn/river come clean, as they did. if I have AK in villain's spot I'm betting the river after getting called on flop and turn. if I'm check-raised on the flop, I probably peel and fold the turn. this all strongly points toward c/c down.

I've had similar spots come up and I think calling is superior the more I've thought about it.

28:34

Leading out on 9KQ. I think we still can get value from lots of hands: 9T, QJ, QT, JK, AK, AQ
If we get raised, it's really not that bad. He might not even raise here w/ AK because the board is so bad for a 1 pair hand.
So if he raises, we get more information.
If he calls. We can decide to c/c or c/f. I think a AK or a JK is still going to bet when we lead out and check the turn. He might not. he is going to tell what he has if he checks back. It's probably 9T, QJ, ..the weaker part of his range.
That makes it an easier c/f on the river

28:34

Leading out on 9KQ. I think we still can get value from lots of hands: 9T, QJ, QT, JK, AK, AQ
If we get raised, it's really not that bad. He might not even raise here w/ AK because the board is so bad for a 1 pair hand.
So if he raises, we get more information.
If he calls. We can decide to c/c or c/f. I think a AK or a JK is still going to bet when we lead out and check the turn. He might not. he is going to tell what he has if he checks back. It's probably 9T, QJ, ..the weaker part of his range.
That makes it an easier c/f on the river

I remember this one and I remember thinking that it's very close. The more confident you are in getting away after getting raised the better I think it is. Or if you think he spazzes out vs. a donk and you get value then obviously it's good. the problem I have is that donking is somewhat unconventional. people respond to unconventional lines in different ways. I'm just not that happy putting myself in a situation where I put in a lot of money with top 2 and then fold.