Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by sthief09 (Micro/Small Stakes)

Been waiting all day :-)

Spadeeye is now banned as far as I know on fulltilt.

This is due to the fact it is a tool of dataminers, not so much that it can be used to mine, but because it makes such good use of the mined hands. People were subscribing to mining services or buying mined hands in chunks and then using spadeeye to make good use of those hands. So it is banned.

They banned a fair few people for using it, and they lost their accounts. Not sure what happened to their money though or if the banned policy is still in place. They have certainly told people not to use it.

SpadeEye is prohibited from use with Full Tilt Poker.

If you have any other concerns, please let us know.

Sincerely,

Mike M
Operations Manager
Full Tilt Poker Support

Spadeye's makers are going to be releasing a sort of stripped down version, that will not allow for datamined hands to be used. That itself kind of makes it a different form of software as using it to find fish just will not be able to be done.

I wanted to post this quickly because I don't want anyone wasting money trying to do something that they no longer can do (not even sure if the software works as of the last week or so).

You are no longer allowed to datamine on fulltilt. I guess it was inevitable, the house wins nothing from a bunch of guys on waiting lists but it does pretty well out of 6 decent players sitting at a table.

Good episode again Josh.

Just finishing my poker session and I will immedeately watch this. Have waited all week long for this!

Thanks nice Vid!

FYI, on the iPod version, the audio cuts out around the 30 minute mark and doesn't appear to come back. I've been noticing this with several iPod versions (don't recall which offhand). Downloading the WMV now so I can watch the rest...

Spadeeye is now banned as far as I know on fulltilt.

This is due to the fact it is a tool of dataminers, not so much that it can be used to mine, but because it makes such good use of the mined hands. People were subscribing to mining services or buying mined hands in chunks and then using spadeeye to make good use of those hands. So it is banned.

They banned a fair few people for using it, and they lost their accounts. Not sure what happened to their money though or if the banned policy is still in place. They have certainly told people not to use it.



Spadeye's makers are going to be releasing a sort of stripped down version, that will not allow for datamined hands to be used. That itself kind of makes it a different form of software as using it to find fish just will not be able to be done.

I wanted to post this quickly because I don't want anyone wasting money trying to do something that they no longer can do (not even sure if the software works as of the last week or so).

You are no longer allowed to datamine on fulltilt. I guess it was inevitable, the house wins nothing from a bunch of guys on waiting lists but it does pretty well out of 6 decent players sitting at a table.

wow, thank you. I'll put up a new version of the video with that part removed. thanks so much for the headsup.

There is still no real way for them to stop you using SpadeEye b/c FT copies hand histories to your computer, thus it's within your rights to look at them.

There is still no real way for them to stop you using SpadeEye b/c FT copies hand histories to your computer, thus it's within your rights to look at them.

they can stop you by banning you for using software that's on their prohibited list?

So I'm not sure why, but this has been hapenning a lot on the iPod versions of vids (happened with the first episode of the series for me) - the video stops about 20 or so minutes in... It might be on my end, I'll try to re-download/sync to my pod, but was wondering if this is happening to anyone else?

Thanks.

wow, thank you. I'll put up a new version of the video with that part removed. thanks so much for the headsup.

Yea, from what I have been reading spadeeye could actually open tables and view them unattended so the hands were logged, thus making it an even bigger tool for miners. It had, it seems, become a mining tool all on its own! Fulltilt have banned it in its current state. When the data mining facility is removed then it will probably be allowed again, so don't throw the old video away

There is still no real way for them to stop you using SpadeEye b/c FT copies hand histories to your computer, thus it's within your rights to look at them.

I understand what you mean, it is in a way the fulltilt software that is at fault for logging hands. However, there is a country mile difference between sitting at a table waiting to be dealt or maybe observing the odd game and datamining, which is opening as many tables as you can often using software to do it. If you think the argument of "fulltilt put these hands on my PC, so i am going to use them!" is going to wash if it is obvious datamining then your wrong.

sthief09, I see that SpadeEye is prohibited on FT now, but I'm playing on Party.
Please share with me your knowledge about filters you use while scaning tables.

So I'm not sure why, but this has been hapenning a lot on the iPod versions of vids (happened with the first episode of the series for me) - the video stops about 20 or so minutes in... It might be on my end, I'll try to re-download/sync to my pod, but was wondering if this is happening to anyone else?

Thanks.

Happened to me as well. Video continues but audio cuts out.

they can stop you by banning you for using software that's on their prohibited list?

..and how can they tell the difference between hands you've played and hands you've mined when FT writes ALL hand histories to the same directory?

(they can't)

re: table selection what I do (and many others as well I believe) is color code players while playing, something like green=donk, red=nit/tagfish, purple=shortstack... etc, so you can easily see what the tables look like in the lobby after a while. not as effective as dedicated table selection software I suppose, but pretty nifty anyway

..and how can they tell the difference between hands you've played and hands you've mined when FT writes ALL hand histories to the same directory?

i never said they could? read my post again

You said they could stop me for using software. I said they can't tell when you're using the software. You agree?

You said they could stop me for using software. I said they can't tell when you're using the software. You agree?

I disagree, and I think it's just silly to think that poker rooms don't have a clue of what software you're running. Besides, SpadeEye isn't exactly a "stealth bomber", to quote its developer

You said they could stop me for using software. I said they can't tell when you're using the software. You agree?

The fact that they can't tell the difference between mined and played hands in your FT hand history folder is totally irrelevant for detecting if you are using spade eye or not.

mates could u please tell me what filters do u use for table selection in SpadeEye?

The fact that they can't tell the difference between mined and played hands in your FT hand history folder is totally irrelevant for detecting if you are using spade eye or not.

Unless they update the software for it to scan your running processes (thus changing the Terms of Service et al.) then it cannot be tracked.

Unless they update the software for it to scan your running processes (thus changing the Terms of Service et al.) then it cannot be tracked.

...you mean this?

10.4.2. You agree that we may take steps to detect and prevent the use of prohibited EPA programs. These steps may include, but are not limited to, examination of software programs running concurrently with our Software on your computer.

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/end_user_license_agreement

(rest assured they're doing much more than just checking what programs you happen to be running)

Note the use of 'may'.

I don't even use the software, but people are blowing things way out of proportion if you think they're going to close your account because you opened a few tables for half an hour.

You were saying FTP can't know if you're running SpadeEye, I'm saying that they can, that's it (if you're really interested you can use tools like process manager to check out what their software is up to). I don't know whether or not they're going to ban anyone for using SpadeEye, but they'll definitely know if they want to and to think otherwise is simply naïve

sorry for derailing the thread, I'll stop here

Note the use of 'may'.

I don't even use the software, but people are blowing things way out of proportion if you think they're going to close your account because you opened a few tables for half an hour.

If you've spent any time at all browsing 2+2 than you would know that FT can and will close your account for a variety of bs reasons. I would bet there are no less than 5 threads on the front page of the zoo right now with titles something like "OMG FT closed my acct. for no reason wtf!!1!". So if you're actually doing something that they've specifically said is against their rules you can bet your ass they'll shut you down. Really there is no reason to risk it, especially at micro/small stakes where you can just randomly sit down and chances are it's good table.

yeah, I've stopped using the program myself. the downside is too great and it's generally just a bad idea to use any software that's prohibited. the new version with that removed will be out tomorrow I believe.

Thanks for your quality video and taking the time to help us clean up the Pre Flop Slop. Keep up the great work and I appreciate how thorough you are

Thanks again.

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..and how can they tell the difference between hands you've played and hands you've mined when FT writes ALL hand histories to the same directory?

(they can't)

Just in case you do not understand how poker sites seem to enforce security, it is through a series of flags. Two players always sitting at the same tables, it gets flagged. Several people sending money regular to one account, it gets flagged. Someone folding the nuts, it gets flagged. The flags are then investigated and if fraud (not obeying the rules) is found then the account is stopped and often funds are ceased.

Recently Fulltilt announced that it will not allow datamining. Lets think about what dataminers look like to Fulltilt...

They use certain software, like spadeeye.
They constantly rail multiple full tables, day and night.
When a game gets short, they leave and open another one.
The amount of hands fulltilt sends them is vastly larger than the amount that they play.

This behaviour creates flags on fulltilt. The more flags you get the more chance you will get looked at and eventually banned.

Because they have now said "Do not use spadeeye" then do not use it. You have no idea what detection methods Fulltilt uses to detect it. They could just look to see if a certain dll file exists, or a folder. But the fact is you do not know. So do not use it anymore.

It is probably not a coincidence that around the same time spadeeye and datamining was announced as banned a lot of accounts got banned for no apparent reason. And if you have ever tried to deal with fulltilt support you will understand why this is such a bad thing.

yeah, I've stopped using the program myself. the downside is too great and it's generally just a bad idea to use any software that's prohibited. the new version with that removed will be out tomorrow I believe.

Visit http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/45/software/spadeye-wont-work-full-tilt-help-plz-204546/

The new version is expected "hopefully in less than 2 weeks".

Is it possible to get a new version of the iPod compatible version made?? I apologize if this has been addressed.

Sthief09,

Been really enjoying the first 3 episodes of the series thus far. Just wanted to say thank you and we look forward to each new one on saturday. Keep up the good work.

Sorry if this is a very stupid question. But what does VP$IP mean?

Sorry if this is a very stupid question. But what does VP$IP mean?

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